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    Re: Obama Rules Out 'military excursion' in Ukraine.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Thorgasm View Post
    This may be the stupidest post of the day.
    Yet, the truest.

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    Re: Obama Rules Out 'military excursion' in Ukraine.....

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    It clearly appears to be a done-deal before it happened, and now the President is openly assuring Russia it may take as much or as little of their former Eastern bloc back that they think would be to their financial benefit to do so. We want the resources of countries to the South of Russia.

    The USA and Russia are again dividing up the world by juxtipositioning against each other. Each country must side with one of us allowing us control, or the other will attack it. Very profitable way to divide up weak countries.

    The problem - setting aside ethics - is that Obama doesn't have to make himself look like a weak, incompetent clown in playing his role for his half of it.

    Obama did not have to announce that Russia can have as much of the Ukraine as they want - for which Russia can decide what pieces of Ukraine would be profitable and not taking any portion that would be a money loser - meaning poor and no significant resources. Russia can strip as much of Eastern Europe as they want. In return, We will take what we want to the South of Russia.

    Putin's been clear on this. We leave them alone to take what they want and they'll leave us alone to take what we want.

    Doesn't ANYONE realize how profitable the Cold War was in terms of controlling and ripping off other countries? NO ONE reads history books anymore?

    All the talk in the media is just a dog-and-pony show, and as we can see everyone on the forum is falling for it. Obama doesn't have to play his role so embarrassing for our country and it weakens our half of the deal. What he is SUPPOSE TO DO is shake his fist and declare we MUST put our military and make alliances with those other countries WE want - to which Russia says then they must take more territory too to defend them against us. Obama's acting role in this is very poor.
    Obama isn't dividing up anything; he's obviously willing to give the whole show away.
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    Re: Obama Rules Out 'military excursion' in Ukraine.....

    UPDATE.....Obama Calls for more Sanctions 5 mins ago.


    Obama orders new round of sanctions on Russia.....

    Seeking to intensify pressure on Russia, President Barack Obama on Thursday expanded U.S. economic sanctions against Moscow over its actions in Ukraine, targeting President Vladimir Putin's chief of staff and 19 other individuals as well as a Russian bank that provides them support.

    Obama, warning of more costs to come for the Kremlin if the situation worsens, said he also had signed an executive order that would allow the U.S. to penalize key sectors of the Russian economy, including its huge energy business. Officials said Obama could act on that authority if Russian forces press into other areas of Ukraine, an escalation of the crisis in Crimea.

    The president said the latest penalties were the result of "choices the Russian government has made, choices that have been rejected by the international community."

    "Russia must know that further escalation will only isolate it further from the international community," Obama said, speaking from the South Lawn of the White House.

    European Union leaders, too, said they would expand the number of people targeted with various sanctions and indicated they would cancel an EU-Russia summit. Chancellor Angela Merkel told the German parliament that if the crisis deepens in Crimea and Ukraine, the EU is prepared to move to economic sanctions on a higher level.

    Russia retaliated quickly by imposing entry bans on American lawmakers and senior White House officials. Among them were Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., and House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio. Obama's senior adviser Dan Pfeiffer and his deputy national security adviser, Ben Rhodes, were also targets of the Russian entry bans.

    Boehner's office said the speaker was "proud to be included on a list of those willing to stand against Putin's aggression.".....snip~

    http://news.yahoo.com/obama-orders-r...-politics.html

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    Re: Obama Rules Out 'military excursion' in Ukraine.....

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    "We need do not need to trigger an actual war with Russia," he told KSDK, a St. Louis station owned by Gannett in a separate interview.
    Well, that's comforting. Jesus. WTF?

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    Re: Obama Rules Out 'military excursion' in Ukraine.....

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    What I'm seeing from most folks, is the belief that the only two options are complete impotency and total war and no other options in between. I'm not sure why that is, but it's obviously the case.
    It's easily the case because this is in Russia's backyard. Russia can muster up millions of soldiers and plenty of weapons on the border with Ukraine in a matter of days - America, even if it wanted to, couldn't get well under 100,000 troops and the accompaning weapons/apparatus over there in months. What's Obama going to threaten Russia with, right now, militarily?

    Plans now, in NATO, should be to shore up and bring up defensive positions within Eastern European, former Soviet, states that are now members of NATO. Plans should also be looking at moving ahead with missile defense and other actions necessary to show Putin that while he was in his own country, the west was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt that he wouldn't abuse his situation - since he's abused it, all bets are off and the west will mobilize as if Putin is the distinct threat he very well might turn out to be.
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    Re: Obama Rules Out 'military excursion' in Ukraine.....

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    It's easily the case because this is in Russia's backyard. Russia can muster up millions of soldiers and plenty of weapons on the border with Ukraine in a matter of days - America, even if it wanted to, couldn't get well under 100,000 troops and the accompaning weapons/apparatus over there in months. What's Obama going to threaten Russia with, right now, militarily?

    Plans now, in NATO, should be to shore up and bring up defensive positions within Eastern European, former Soviet, states that are now members of NATO. Plans should also be looking at moving ahead with missile defense and other actions necessary to show Putin that while he was in his own country, the west was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt that he wouldn't abuse his situation - since he's abused it, all bets are off and the west will mobilize as if Putin is the distinct threat he very well might turn out to be.
    You're proving my point, CJ! No one is even entertaining the question: Is Putin even ready to get into a shooting war?
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    Re: Obama Rules Out 'military excursion' in Ukraine.....

    I heard Putin has a blown up picture of Michelle Obama in his bedroom.
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    Re: Obama Rules Out 'military excursion' in Ukraine.....

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    You're proving my point, CJ! No one is even entertaining the question: Is Putin even ready to get into a shooting war?
    On the border of his country, I'd say yes. Further into Ukraine, not so much.

    I'd say the Ukrainian government has taken the first steps to deescalate the situation by deciding to remove it's military forces from Crimea and, in effect, cede Crimea to the Russians. If they're willing to do so, why should the US militarily insist otherwise?
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    Re: Obama Rules Out 'military excursion' in Ukraine.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Thorgasm View Post
    I heard Putin has a blown up picture of Michelle Obama in his bedroom.
    If it's a blown up rear view, Putin must have a pretty big bedroom.
    "Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views." William F. Buckley Jr.

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    Re: Obama Rules Out 'military excursion' in Ukraine.....

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Well, that's comforting. Jesus. WTF?
    Mornin' Maggie. Lets hope we aren't the one to push for Sanctions of Grade 3 to hit home in Russia. As then I wonder what Putin and Russia will do.


    The new American sanctions hit close advisers to Putin, including Sergei Ivanov, the Russian president's chief of staff and a longtime associate. Also targeted were Arkady Rotenberg and Gennady Timchenko, both lifelong Putin friends whose companies have amassed billions of dollars in government contracts.

    Also sanctioned: Bank Rossiya, a private bank that is owned by Yuri Kovalchuk, who is considered to be Putin's banker.

    The dispute with Russia is expected to dominate Obama's trip to Europe next week. He'll chair a hastily arranged meeting of the Group of Seven, pointedly leaving out Russia, which often joins the U.S., Britain, France, Germany, Italy, Canada and Japan to comprise the Group of Eight.....snip~



    Still, U.S. officials privately acknowledge that Russia is unlikely to give up Crimea. Instead, their top priority is keeping Russia from moving into other areas of Ukraine with pro-Russian populations.....snip~

    What do you think Maggie......think Putin has people that read Western Media?

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