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    Re: Arizona sheriff launches immigration sweep

    Quote Originally Posted by Cochise View Post
    Of course not. That would be like saying that all whites look alike.



    No one will detain an actual Spaniard, as Spaniards are white. They will detain plenty of migrant laborers, as a substantial number are Mexican and the majority of the Mexicans are some type of Mesoamerican Indian or mestizo related to various Nahua groups. A few are our brethren of the Southwestern Indian cultural category, but the white presence increases in northern Mexico, so they're not as prevalent.

    It's objectionable for the oldest residents of the Southwest to be detained and harassed by law enforcement because they resemble their brethren and cousins in Mexico or Central America. And even appeasing your nationalism, it's objectionable for mestizo U.S. citizens to be detained and harassed by law enforcement because of that physical resemblance. AP IMPACT: Citizens held as illegal immigrants



    Now, you want the United States to be a white nationalist haven. There's no precedent for that, since the territory and resources of the Americas were unjustly acquired from the indigenous inhabitants if we want to play that game. Personally, I don't. I'm color-blind.
    Being asked to show your ID by LEO is CONTACT, not DETAINMENT......
    Once again, any LEO that CONTACTS me will get to see my vaid ID.....
    The 'hero' of your story, initiated CONTACT by trespassing & stealing a car, he was then DETAINED.....
    Do I think that what happened to him after that contact was unjust?....
    YES, I do.......
    But mistakes can & will be made.....
    *Note: Local law enforcement doesn't deport anyone, that task is for federal authorities........

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    Re: Arizona sheriff launches immigration sweep

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    I find it interesting the number of self proclaimed Liberals and closet Liberals that hide behind other names that don't care about violations of our laws, and it's not limited just to illegal aliens either.
    This is a false dichotomy. I'm very hard on crime, personally. However, having worked in the field, I understand how important it is for law enforcement officers to support and uphold constitutional rights. The goal of arresting bad guys does not justify undermining the constitution. Solid police work can be performed without violating the bill of rights. Law enforcement officers are public servants. I expect them to be held to professional standards, as I am. I also expect that those who are entrusted with public funds will use them wisely and not waste them on publicity stunts that generate expensive lawsuits whose end result is removing officers from the streets.

    But here in this forum the preferred method is to cast aspersions on others because they lack the intelligence or intellectual knowledge to post a cogent response based on a well thought out logical argument.
    It's hard to be tolerant of blatant stupidity, particularly when key posters brag about it as if it's a badge of honor.
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    Re: Arizona sheriff launches immigration sweep

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    I find it interesting the number of self proclaimed Liberals and closet Liberals that hide behind other names that don't care about violations of our laws, and it's not limited just to illegal aliens either.

    Of course they scream bloody murder when ever someone who is not one of them does anything remotely wrong but when it's and illegal or a Barney Frank they give them a pass or pretend nothing happened.

    But here in this forum the preferred method is to cast aspersions on others because they lack the intelligence or intellectual knowledge to post a cogent response based on a well thought out logical argument.

    And in answer to the idea that Sheriff Joe has only a few protesters read the AZ news papers or watch Phoenix TV. They bash hell out of him all the damn time. I lived in and was involved with AZ politics prior to returning to the Granola State I've seen it up close.
    Give me an example of liberals who hide behind other names. What are you saying?

    BTW your post was very well thought out and you are sooooooooo intelligent that I cringe in your very presence.

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    Re: Arizona sheriff launches immigration sweep

    Stuff this in your liberal bongs, and smoke it! The State is being forced to perform the Constitutional Duties of the Federal Government.

    "Arizona Law Promises to Be 'Toughest' on Illegal Immigration"

    I guess that all of the seeming eruditeness in this post was not enough to disuade all the people of Arizona who back Joe to the max.

    Arizona State Law Promises To Be 'Toughest' on Illegal Immigration - ABC News
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    Re: Arizona sheriff launches immigration sweep

    Quote Originally Posted by Boomyal View Post
    Stuff this in your liberal bongs, and smoke it! The State is being forced to perform the Constitutional Duties of the Federal Government.

    "Arizona Law Promises to Be 'Toughest' on Illegal Immigration"

    I guess that all of the seeming eruditeness in this post was not enough to disuade all the people of Arizona who back Joe to the max.

    Arizona State Law Promises To Be 'Toughest' on Illegal Immigration - ABC News
    About time for this legislation.....
    Actually way overdue.....

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    Re: Arizona sheriff launches immigration sweep

    Quote Originally Posted by Boomyal View Post
    Stuff this in your liberal bongs, and smoke it! The State is being forced to perform the Constitutional Duties of the Federal Government.
    Where in the constitution are there any statements describing the duties of the Federal government regarding immigration? Please cite that reference, I can't seem to find it.

    And don't bother with the Article IV, section 4 line of bull****. The "invader" line in that refers specifically to those who enter by force for the purposes of conquering and pillaging. As in a military force.

    Not foreign immigrants.

    The states themselves are the only one's in charge of keeping non-military foreigners off of their soil.

    This is backed up by the statements of Thomas Jefferson in the Kentucky Resolutions of 1798:

    That alien friends are under the jurisdiction and protection of the laws of the State wherein they are: that no power over them has been delegated to the United States, nor prohibited to the individual States, distinct from their power over citizens. And it being true as a general principle, and one of the amendments to the Constitution having also declared, that “the powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people," the act of the Congress of the United States, passed on the — day of July, 1798, intituled “An Act concerning aliens,” which assumes powers over alien friends, not delegated by the Constitution, is not law, but is altogether void, and of no force.
    That's the only reason why Arizona can pass such legislation in the first place.

    I guess that all of the seeming eruditeness in this post was not enough to disuade all the people of Arizona who back Joe to the max.
    Considering that was not the purpose of the "seeming" eruditeness in my posts, I'm not at all surprised that it didn't do something other than what was intended.

    Frankly, I would be surprised if it had any affect on the legislation.



    But lets get right down to it: It seems to me that all Arizona is doing is exercising it's right to pass immigration legislation.

    Why should I care if Arizona exercises it's right to pass immigration legislation, even if I disagree with it?

    Are you one of those liberals who believes the power should be taken form the states and given to the feds even though there are no Federal duties regarding immigration outlined in the constitution?

    There are lots of so-called conservatives who are actually liberals like that. Always trying to reinterpret the constitution to mean something other than the expressly delegated responsibilities the Federal government has. Including issues like Immigration, which should be the sole responsibilities of the States.

    The main problems I have with the legislation and practices are moral in nature, not legal (although my guess is that there will be a supreme court battle over the detainment on suspicion of illegal immigration, personally, I don't give a **** about that legal/illegal aspect of the debate)

    I just like to point out that most anti-illegal immigrant "conservatives" are usually entirely liberal on this issue. Here's why:

    1. They feel entitled to have something they didn't even earn in most cases.
    2. They want to take it away form people who did do something to earn it.
    3. They want to reinterpret the constitution to mean something it doesn't in order to extend more authority to the federal government and take that authority from the states


    My stances on the issue (which you consistently, and incorrectly label as "liberal"

    1. People who didn't earn the right to be should not feel "entitled" to it. they should look a tit as a gift.
    2. Those who have earned that right should not have it taken away by those who haven't.
    3. Illegal immigration legislation should be the sole purview of the States. I may disagree with the legislation made in other states, but it is there right to pass such legislation.

    Now, put that in your liberal bong and smoke it.
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    Re: Arizona sheriff launches immigration sweep

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    .....And don't bother with the Article IV, section 4 line of bull****. The "invader" line in that refers specifically to those who enter by force for the purposes of conquering and pillaging. As in a military force......
    Hmmmm? I don't see where that section defines invaders as those who enter by force while conquering us and pillaging us.

    "The United States shall guarantee to every state in this union a republican form of government, and shall protect each of them against invasion; and on application of the legislature, or of the executive (when the legislature cannot be convened) against domestic violence."

    According to Dictionary.com, one of the several definitions of 'invasion' is this:

    "infringement by intrusion."
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    Re: Arizona sheriff launches immigration sweep

    Quote Originally Posted by Boomyal View Post
    Hmmmm? I don't see where that section defines invaders as those who enter by force while conquering us and pillaging us.

    "The United States shall guarantee to every state in this union a republican form of government, and shall protect each of them against invasion; and on application of the legislature, or of the executive (when the legislature cannot be convened) against domestic violence."
    Could the foothold of Mexican drug gangs be considered a clear & present danger & a harbinger of domestic violence?......

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    Re: Arizona sheriff launches immigration sweep

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Where in the constitution are there any statements describing the duties of the Federal government regarding immigration? Please cite that reference, I can't seem to find it.

    And don't bother with the Article IV, section 4 line of bull****. The "invader" line in that refers specifically to those who enter by force for the purposes of conquering and pillaging. As in a military force.

    Not foreign immigrants.

    The states themselves are the only one's in charge of keeping non-military foreigners off of their soil.

    This is backed up by the statements of Thomas Jefferson in the Kentucky Resolutions of 1798:



    That's the only reason why Arizona can pass such legislation in the first place.



    Considering that was not the purpose of the "seeming" eruditeness in my posts, I'm not at all surprised that it didn't do something other than what was intended.

    Frankly, I would be surprised if it had any affect on the legislation.



    But lets get right down to it: It seems to me that all Arizona is doing is exercising it's right to pass immigration legislation.

    Why should I care if Arizona exercises it's right to pass immigration legislation, even if I disagree with it?

    Are you one of those liberals who believes the power should be taken form the states and given to the feds even though there are no Federal duties regarding immigration outlined in the constitution?

    There are lots of so-called conservatives who are actually liberals like that. Always trying to reinterpret the constitution to mean something other than the expressly delegated responsibilities the Federal government has. Including issues like Immigration, which should be the sole responsibilities of the States.

    The main problems I have with the legislation and practices are moral in nature, not legal (although my guess is that there will be a supreme court battle over the detainment on suspicion of illegal immigration, personally, I don't give a **** about that legal/illegal aspect of the debate)

    I just like to point out that most anti-illegal immigrant "conservatives" are usually entirely liberal on this issue. Here's why:

    1. They feel entitled to have something they didn't even earn in most cases.
    2. They want to take it away form people who did do something to earn it.
    3. They want to reinterpret the constitution to mean something it doesn't in order to extend more authority to the federal government and take that authority from the states


    My stances on the issue (which you consistently, and incorrectly label as "liberal"

    1. People who didn't earn the right to be should not feel "entitled" to it. they should look a tit as a gift.
    2. Those who have earned that right should not have it taken away by those who haven't.
    3. Illegal immigration legislation should be the sole purview of the States. I may disagree with the legislation made in other states, but it is there right to pass such legislation.

    Now, put that in your liberal bong and smoke it.
    Wow, which side of the fence are you on?

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    Re: Arizona sheriff launches immigration sweep

    Quote Originally Posted by Partisan View Post
    Could the foothold of Mexican drug gangs be considered a clear & present danger & a harbinger of domestic violence?......
    I would say yes.

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