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    Re: Arizona sheriff launches immigration sweep

    Quote Originally Posted by The Giant Noodle View Post
    the HUGE majority of LEGAL mexicans are wonderful people!
    Wouldn't a legal mexican be a citizen of Mexico? I think the phrase you're looking for here is "legal Americans." There are large populations of Latinos in the southwest, including Arizona, who have been in those states since before those states belonged to the U.S., and have been U.S. citizens since the battle/treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo. Those people ARE Americans, and should not be subject to illegal search and seizure by the government because they PHYSICALLY RESEMBLE non-U.S. citizens from Mexico and Central America.

    Furthermore, I'm quite certain that the people in "LITTLE MEXICO," as you refer to them, and many of their ancestors, were living in those parts of the U.S. long before you arrived, as U.S. Citizens, and will be there long after you've departed.

    When residents of the southwest are able to tell me how they distinguish, accurately, based upon physical appearance, between a Chicano and a Mexican, you let me know. I don't believe it is possible. Until you've figured it out, detaining people and expecting them to prove their citizenship on the street, for no other reason than their physical appearance, IS ILLEGAL. It is a violation of the 4th amendment.

    I don't understand people who are willing to throw out the constitution and bill of rights in order to combat illegal immigration. This is a false dichotomy. It is ENTIRELY POSSIBLE to be ANTI-illegal immigration and PRO-constitutional rights. It's entirely possible to be very pro-law enforcement and be anti-Sheriff Joe, because Sheriff Joe does not represent conservative values such as being fiscally prudent with the taxpayers' money and upholding constitutional values.

    Can you explain your willingness to throw out the 4th amendment to me, and then explain how undermining the constitution and bill of rights = conservative?
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    Re: Arizona sheriff launches immigration sweep

    Quote Originally Posted by The Giant Noodle View Post
    Firstly do you REALLY understand what ILLEGAL means?
    Look dude..... YOU like the Mexicans soooooooooooooo much.... MOVE TO MEXICO

    But let me explain something. Ya see.... THIS is NOT Mexico.
    It seems you DO have a RACIAL problem...... not a problem understanding the law. You dont care about the law. You just dont like the white race. Which...... makes you a racist.
    What I find extremely humorous, and what proves that I'm not the one in this conversation that has a "RACIAL problem", is that a large proportion of the Illegal aliens I know personally are not Mexican. They are WHITE!!!

    The reason why your assumption that my comments must refer to Mexicans so absurdly hilarious is because Chicago is home to more non-Mexican illegal than most other places in the US.

    My theory is that if someone is from "Northern Illinois" and they aren't aware of the fact that we have a very large white illegal immigrant population, they must either be from some far suburb instead of the city or they are a flat-out racist who doesn't count our Irish, Italian, and Polish illegal immigrants and former illegal immigrants.
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    Re: Arizona sheriff launches immigration sweep

    Quote Originally Posted by Partisan View Post
    Plenty of anchor babies are testimony to that......
    That's why the jails are filling up at a record pace.....
    The only difference between an "anchor baby" and any other natural born American citizen is that the anchor babies parents are always someone who put effort into becoming an American, and thus earned it more.

    As I said, most Americans are simply the parts that failed to dribble down mommy's leg or pool up in her belly button.

    I don't think most of them deserve **** as far as special rights go. They didn't earn it, their parents didn't earn it.


    there are only two types of people in this world who have earned the right to be "proud" of being American: Those who served in the military, and those who immigrated here (regardless of whether it was legally or illegally).

    Just being born is no achievement.
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    I like Injuns, can I stay in America, or is that all negated by all the non-American types I also like (including my white ass European of some kind self)?
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    Re: Arizona sheriff launches immigration sweep

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Wouldn't a legal mexican be a citizen of Mexico? I think the phrase you're looking for here is "legal Americans." There are large populations of Latinos in the southwest, including Arizona, who have been in those states since before those states belonged to the U.S., and have been U.S. citizens since the battle/treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo. Those people ARE Americans, and should not be subject to illegal search and seizure by the government because they PHYSICALLY RESEMBLE non-U.S. citizens from Mexico and Central America.

    Furthermore, I'm quite certain that the people in "LITTLE MEXICO," as you refer to them, and many of their ancestors, were living in those parts of the U.S. long before you arrived, as U.S. Citizens, and will be there long after you've departed.

    When residents of the southwest are able to tell me how they distinguish, accurately, based upon physical appearance, between a Chicano and a Mexican, you let me know. I don't believe it is possible. Until you've figured it out, detaining people and expecting them to prove their citizenship on the street, for no other reason than their physical appearance, IS ILLEGAL. It is a violation of the 4th amendment.

    I don't understand people who are willing to throw out the constitution and bill of rights in order to combat illegal immigration. This is a false dichotomy. It is ENTIRELY POSSIBLE to be ANTI-illegal immigration and PRO-constitutional rights. It's entirely possible to be very pro-law enforcement and be anti-Sheriff Joe, because Sheriff Joe does not represent conservative values such as being fiscally prudent with the taxpayers' money and upholding constitutional values.
    Can you explain your willingness to throw out the 4th amendment to me, and then explain how undermining the constitution and bill of rights = conservative?
    His continued re-election negates your arguement....
    He is obviously doing what the MAJORITY of his electorate wants....

    In an ideal world, the sheriff should be neither Republican or Democrat, liberal or conservative.......
    He should uphold the law of the land.....
    The law of the land says that you have no right to enter the country illegally......
    You are correct, Mexicans & Chicanos look alike, so I would hope he instructs
    his officers to ask the whites & blacks for ID as well.......
    Simple concept: Show a valid ID, & get the ticket for your infraction & move on......
    No valid ID?.....
    Hmmm......
    This might bear further investigation, no matter what color you are.....

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    Re: Arizona sheriff launches immigration sweep

    Quote Originally Posted by Partisan View Post
    His continued re-election negates your arguement....
    He is obviously doing what the MAJORITY of his electorate wants....
    There is a reason why we aren't a straight democracy, and are instead a republic/representative democracy. Can you think why that might be? What is the difference between a republic and a democracy?

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    Re: Arizona sheriff launches immigration sweep

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    What I find extremely humorous, and what proves that I'm not the one in this conversation that has a "RACIAL problem", is that a large proportion of the Illegal aliens I know personally are not Mexican. They are WHITE!!!

    The reason why your assumption that my comments must refer to Mexicans so absurdly hilarious is because Chicago is home to more non-Mexican illegal than most other places in the US.

    My theory is that if someone is from "Northern Illinois" and they aren't aware of the fact that we have a very large white illegal immigrant population, they must either be from some far suburb instead of the city or they are a flat-out racist who doesn't count our Irish, Italian, and Polish illegal immigrants and former illegal immigrants.
    This thread is about Sheriff Joe & His treatment of illegals in Maricopa Co., Arizona, please try to stay on topic....
    That said, anyone contacted by a LEO has to produce valid ID or face further scrutiny....
    If upon further investigation, (set in motion by failure to posess a valid ID), said suspect is found to be illegal, off to the stripey hole & pink underwear while they await deportation.....
    The long arm of justice has prevailed......

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    Re: Arizona sheriff launches immigration sweep

    Quote Originally Posted by Partisan View Post
    This thread is about Sheriff Joe & His treatment of illegals in Maricopa Co., Arizona, please try to stay on topic....
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    Re: Arizona sheriff launches immigration sweep

    [quote=Tucker Case;1058638699]The only difference between an "anchor baby" and any other natural born American citizen is that the anchor babies parents are always someone who put effort into becoming an American, and thus earned it more.

    How by breaking the law?........
    As I said, most Americans are simply the parts that failed to dribble down mommy's leg or pool up in her belly button.
    All Americans are that, or they wouldn't be born....

    I don't think most of them deserve **** as far as special rights go. They didn't earn it, their parents didn't earn it.
    I agree, the illegals & their anchor babies steal it, not earn it.....

    there are only two types of people in this world who have earned the right to be "proud" of being American: Those who served in the military, and those who immigrated here (regardless of whether it was legally or illegally).
    So the last three presidents have no right to be 'proud' Americans, this is your position?..........

    Just being born is no achievement.
    Sure it is, look how many don't make it........
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    Re: Arizona sheriff launches immigration sweep

    Quote Originally Posted by Partisan View Post
    How by breaking the law?........
    By playing a role in the fact that they are American


    All Americans are that, or they wouldn't be born....
    All humans are that, but some Americans earned the right to be an American. Most did not, however.



    I agree, the illegals & their anchor babies steal it, not earn it.....
    It is not somehting that is stolen. And Anchor babies are no different form non-anchor babies. Only idiots make a distinction considering nobody who was simply born here has earned the right to be an American.

    The only way for a naturally born citizen to earn that right is by entering into military service.


    So the last three presidents have no right to be 'proud' Americans, this is your position?..........
    Actually, Bush served in the national guard. He earned it.

    Sure it is, look how many don't make it........
    You sure are serving up a heaping helping of Liberal mush on this thread....
    I'm embarassed for you......
    You aren't equipped with any of the actual knowledge necessary to determine what a liberal and conservative position actually is.

    This is because you are the one arguing for entitlements.

    I'm actually arguing for people earning something through actions of their own.

    I know that seems weird when your used to people mindlessly following the asinine party dogma and calling those positions liberal or conservative, but what the real conservative point of view is that people should earn what they have though actions they engage in themselves, not simply be gifted it.

    You argue that a bunch of people who didn't do **** to get what they have somehow deserve it, but that people who actually did something to get what they have don't deserve it.

    That is a very liberal position to hold. It's just like welfare. People who didn't earn what they receive thinking they should simply be gifted it.

    I don't think people should be gifted any sort of entitlement. They should all take an active role in earning what they receive. Doesn't matter to me if the entitlement is welfare or citizenship. It's about the basic principle of earning what you have through personal achievement.

    For example, I myself didn't do **** to earn my citizenship. I freely admit that. I was born here, and I never served in any branch of the military. Every illegal alien in this country has done more than I have to become an American. Every single person who has served in any branch of the military has done more than I have to become an American. They have a right to be proud to be an American.

    The most I can do is be proud of my country. I can take no pride in what I am, though, because I did not earn it.
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