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    Re: Arizona sheriff launches immigration sweep

    Quote Originally Posted by Partisan View Post
    Funny how the Libs can't seem to explain that little tid bit away.....
    You'd think with Joe making the prisoners wear pink underwear, the Libs would really jump on board with him??

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    Re: Arizona sheriff launches immigration sweep

    Quote Originally Posted by chevydriver1123 View Post
    Police are NOT there to protect you, ONLY to punish you. The only way to protect yourself is with a weapon and a lawyer.





    I really could care less what people from the OTHER SIDE OF THE ****ING COUNTRY think of me. The only people I have to get respect from is my family and my bosses thats it.
    What an attitude!
    As a boy , then a young man, I used to think the same way.
    I've since,more or less, grown up.
    The police are not perfect, they are human.

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    Re: Arizona sheriff launches immigration sweep

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    No doubt Sheriff Joes does what he does because the state and federal govts won't do their jobs.
    Because the feds, all the way back, refused to deal with the border.
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    Re: Arizona sheriff launches immigration sweep

    Rounding up illegal aliens in street sweeps is not the answer. It's like chasing down drug users. You have to treat the source of the problem. Establishing and enforcing tough employment laws. Dry up the reason they come here. Starting fining companies that violate the rules. Implement stronger identification verification methods using biometrics.

    I do not believe this man is a good example of a Sheriff. "Tough on crime" is a misleading thing. But I guess people enjoy watching their tax dollars go poof due to litigation.
    *insert profound statement here*

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    Re: Arizona sheriff launches immigration sweep

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    Rounding up illegal aliens in street sweeps is not the answer. It's like chasing down drug users. You have to treat the source of the problem. Establishing and enforcing tough employment laws. Dry up the reason they come here. Starting fining companies that violate the rules. Implement stronger identification verification methods using biometrics.

    I do not believe this man is a good example of a Sheriff. "Tough on crime" is a misleading thing. But I guess people enjoy watching their tax dollars go poof due to litigation.
    Litigation is a horrible reason to ignore the law.Should we be leniant on child molesters or not arrest them at all if NAMBLA and NAMGLA started suing left and right every time a child molester was locked up?
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Arizona sheriff launches immigration sweep

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    .....Rounding up illegal aliens in street sweeps is not the answer.......
    And you have a better answer when the primary enforcers of the immigration laws sit on their duffs and do nothing for fear of loosing future votes?

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    Re: Arizona sheriff launches immigration sweep

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    Rounding up illegal aliens in street sweeps is not the answer. It's like chasing down drug users. You have to treat the source of the problem. Establishing and enforcing tough employment laws. Dry up the reason they come here. Starting fining companies that violate the rules. Implement stronger identification verification methods using biometrics.

    I do not believe this man is a good example of a Sheriff. "Tough on crime" is a misleading thing. But I guess people enjoy watching their tax dollars go poof due to litigation.
    That's the thing. I work in the field. There is probably no one on this board who is tougher on crime than I am, in actuality. I'm a strong proponent of EFFECTIVE suppression efforts.

    The key word here is "effective." What Sheriff Joe is doing is a poor use of officer man hours, tax dollars and resources. Longterm, sweeps have very little impact on overall crime. It's all show, and no substance.

    I do love how those of us who actually know something about the field, when we point this out, are automatically called "liberals." When it comes to crime, I'm far from liberal. I just feel like local agencies are responsible to use tax dollars wisely and well, and that means NOT engaging in kneejerk reactions that are unlikely to create sustainable longterm change to the level of crime in a community.

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    Re: Arizona sheriff launches immigration sweep

    Quote Originally Posted by Boomyal View Post
    And you have a better answer when the primary enforcers of the immigration laws sit on their duffs and do nothing for fear of loosing future votes?
    Yes. Focus on the illegal aliens who are involved in criminal activities. Work to build solid cases against perpetrators who commit serious crimes so that they are removed from the street for a lengthy period of time. Build community support for reporting crime and trust between the department and the community. Hold the officers to high standards, and require them to be ethically above reproach. Uphold the constitution. Use crime data to understand local problems and focus innovative solutions on those targeted issues. Focus resources where they are most needed, based upon data, not upon the issue of the day. Cultivate gang sources and build cases against the leaders of the gang, removing them from the ability to create mayhem on the streets, and disrupting the criminal enterprises of the gang. Create a vertical prosecution unit within the local prosecutors office to build a closer connection between investigation & prosecution, thus creating greater success in trying cases against criminals. Work smarter, not harder.

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    Re: Arizona sheriff launches immigration sweep

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Yes. Focus on the illegal aliens who are involved in criminal activities. Work to build solid cases against perpetrators who commit serious crimes so that they are removed from the street for a lengthy period of time. Build community support for reporting crime and trust between the department and the community. Hold the officers to high standards, and require them to be ethically above reproach. Uphold the constitution. Use crime data to understand local problems and focus innovative solutions on those targeted issues. Focus resources where they are most needed, based upon data, not upon the issue of the day. Cultivate gang sources and build cases against the leaders of the gang, removing them from the ability to create mayhem on the streets, and disrupting the criminal enterprises of the gang. Create a vertical prosecution unit within the local prosecutors office to build a closer connection between investigation & prosecution, thus creating greater success in trying cases against criminals. Work smarter, not harder.
    They should be able to do ALL of that & run the sweeps as well.....

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