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    Re: New York City Cafe May Shut Its Doors for Good Due to 'Occupy,' Owner Says

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    You don't need to respect OWS. But as they have the right to assemble and protest; you do have to tolerate them.
    I´ve seen no one claim they do not have a right to assemble and protest but you called those who disagree "stupid propaganda and retard arguments about OWS".

    You stand strong on the freedom to protest and assemble, when no one is denying that right, but appear quite weak on the issue of free speech. And of course you"ve not offered any argument to support this "propaganda" and "retard arguments". This is much like OWSers themselves in fact, "Full of sound and fury but signifying dick".

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    Re: New York City Cafe May Shut Its Doors for Good Due to 'Occupy,' Owner Says

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    I´ve seen no one claim they do not have a right to assemble and protest but you called those who disagree "stupid propaganda and retard arguments about OWS".....
    really? he said anyone who simply disagrees with OWS is spewing "stupid propaganda & retard arguments"?????

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    Re: New York City Cafe May Shut Its Doors for Good Due to 'Occupy,' Owner Says

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    the OWS protesters pay income taxes & sales taxes. That funds the parks & the police. So don't go down that route.
    Nonsense. In order to be paying taxes, they would have to be earning money, on which and out of which to pay those taxes, which would have to mean that they have jobs, and are working at these jobs instead of sh**ting on police cars are doing other OWS-type stuff.


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    and yes, I find the right to express grievances against the government is slightly more important than the right of Sally & Johnny to play ball with their puppy.
    False dichotomy. They don't need to abuse public parks and similar resources, in order to express grievances. That's not what these parks are for. They certainly do not need to interfere with the ability of the 53% to get to and work at their own jobs, in order to express grievances.

    You cavalierly dismissed their abuse of a public park, and the right of the public to enjoy that park for its intended purpose, by saying “…Johnny & Sally can just go to another park.” Why should “Johnny and Sally” have to go to another park, just because a bunch of worthless deadbeats decided to take over the park that they wanted to use? More important, why should any of the 53% have to quit their jobs, and find other jobs, because these same deadbeats choose to interfere with their ability to get to their extant jobs?

    As Will Rogers once said, “Your right to swing your fist ends where my nose begins.” You're defending a violent, parasitic mob who insists on being able to swing their fists wherever and whenever they want, without regard for wherever anyone else's nose may be.

    I note that the language in the First Amendment affirming the right to assemble specifically limits that right to doing so “peaceably”. The OWS vermin have done their thing in anything but a peaceable manner, and have, in fact, very clearly expressed their intent to not do so peaceably. The right of these vermin to act unpeaceably does not trump the right of the rest of the public to go about their business peaceably.
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    Re: New York City Cafe May Shut Its Doors for Good Due to 'Occupy,' Owner Says

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    Nonsense. In order to be paying taxes, they would have to be earning money, on which and out of which to pay those taxes, which would have to mean that they have jobs, and are working at these jobs instead of sh**ting on police cars are doing other OWS-type stuff....
    many OWS protesters have jobs, as only a few hundred folks lived in the camps. most of the protesters were working folks who came to protests after work or over the weekend.



    ...They don't need to abuse public parks and similar resources, in order to express grievances....
    camping out in a park is not "abusing" a park.

    ....You cavalierly dismissed their abuse of a public park, and the right of the public to enjoy that park for its intended purpose, by saying “…Johnny & Sally can just go to another park.” Why should “Johnny and Sally” have to go to another park, just because a bunch of worthless deadbeats decided to take over the park that they wanted to use?...
    you are clearly very biased & bigoted against these people, and its hard to take any of your views on the OWS movement very seriously when you use such language and make such inflammatory generalizations.

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    Re: New York City Cafe May Shut Its Doors for Good Due to 'Occupy,' Owner Says

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    how many cafes have closed due to large corporations outsourcing our manufacturing sector?

    how many cafes have closed due to the fallout caused by the risky gambling of corporate elites?

    how many cafes have closed due to restricted lending while those same banks enjoy loans from the fed whenever they need them?

    more than one, that's for sure.
    So you are saying that OWS is just as evil as those they are protesting? Its kind of like being opposed to Drunk driving then driving drunk while complaining about drunk drivers.

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    Re: New York City Cafe May Shut Its Doors for Good Due to 'Occupy,' Owner Says

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    So you are saying that OWS is just as evil as those they are protesting? Its kind of like being opposed to Drunk driving then driving drunk while complaining about drunk drivers.
    Oh god I'm so confused.
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    Re: New York City Cafe May Shut Its Doors for Good Due to 'Occupy,' Owner Says

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    When these trends are reversed. The current wealth distribution system is not sustainable in a democracy.... Either that trend reverses or our political way of life disappears.
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    Re: New York City Cafe May Shut Its Doors for Good Due to 'Occupy,' Owner Says

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    how many cafes have closed due to large corporations outsourcing our manufacturing sector?

    how many cafes have closed due to the fallout caused by the risky gambling of corporate elites?

    how many cafes have closed due to restricted lending while those same banks enjoy loans from the fed whenever they need them?

    more than one, that's for sure.
    Or, in summary, cafes are closing because their customers, the middle class with a little bit of disposable income, is vanishing.

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    Re: New York City Cafe May Shut Its Doors for Good Due to 'Occupy,' Owner Says

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    I´ve seen no one claim they do not have a right to assemble and protest but you called those who disagree "stupid propaganda and retard arguments about OWS".

    You stand strong on the freedom to protest and assemble, when no one is denying that right, but appear quite weak on the issue of free speech. And of course you"ve not offered any argument to support this "propaganda" and "retard arguments". This is much like OWSers themselves in fact, "Full of sound and fury but signifying dick".
    Much like no one justifies the "dirty hippie" or "vermin" arguments. blah blah blah propaganda against OWS. I stand strong by free speech as well. I never once endorsed police action against propaganda and retard arguments. Y'all can have a field day with it. Now which one of us here IS endorsing police action against a right? A man you just called a retarded argument retarded, or the ones endorsing police action against a group's ability to assemble and protest?

    BTW, did you actually read the post I quoted and called propaganda and retarded argument? Cause it was propaganda and retarded argument. If you don't like it; well I guess that's your problem. But I'll continue to call a duck a duck; even if you don't like it.
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    Re: New York City Cafe May Shut Its Doors for Good Due to 'Occupy,' Owner Says

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    really? he said anyone who simply disagrees with OWS is spewing "stupid propaganda & retard arguments"?????
    I quoted the last line in this response

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    You ought to be more concerned.

    If the “Occupy” vermin drive enough of your city's businesses out of business, causing tax revenues to be reduced by enough, your employer may be forced to cut off some of the dead wood, and reduce its work force down to those who perform actual work. Forced out of your comfy sinecure, will you deign to seek a real job, and how successful will you be at it in a local economy where too many potential employers have been taken out, especially given that you will have to compete with others who have actual experience and aptitude at doing productive work?

    Will you continue to defend these vermin when they become a threat to your own livelihood?
    and called it retarded argument and propaganda which cannot distract from the overall facts in the case. That's it.
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