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Republican Disarray Causes Democrat Disarry

Gonzo Rodeo said:
I don't recall "conservative media" calling Obama a Muslim and the anti-christ... I recalling hearing that from some wing nuts, but I never heard it declared on Fox News.
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Does Bill not count? Or are we pretending that a backhand comment doesn't count?
 
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Paschendale said:


Does Bill not count? Or are we pretending that a backhand comment doesn't count?
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I didn't hear a "backhand comment"; I heard a dumb cheesy talking-head question (sorry, "provocative," LOL). Blowhard O'Reilly asked a rhetorical question. He prides himself on "hard" questions, and no doubt, he considered this cutting-edge "provocative." I don't think he was calling Obama the devil, LOL.
 
Meathead said:
The liberal media, left-wing blogosphere and Obama's re-election gang have had to switch mudslinging gears so many times that you can't help but think of The Boy who Cried Wolf! Remember Bachman, Palin, Cain,and Newt? Lo and behold, now they have to switch to Santorum (Romney and Paul have been pretty much constants). However, maybe it doesn't matter because they are all inevitably radical wingnuts so you have a sort of default one-size-fits-all.:roll:
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The only thing Obama needs to do at this point is follow the advice of Napoleon Bonaparte"


"Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake."​
 
The root lesson of this election is that Fox has screwed up the right so badly that they can no longer elect a president. Fox has given the conservative base a ludicrously distorted idea of what is going on in the world. Their view of things is now riddled with conspiracy theories, ludicrously false factoids, overwhelming threats to our safety behind every rock, visions of the imminent collapse of the country, etc. So, their viewers are demanding a nominee that will fight heroically against those behind the conspiracies and collapse of the country and whatnot. The problem is, of course, none of those things are real. So, the only nominees the base on the right will support are literally crazy people or intensely ignorant people. Trump, Bachmann, Cain, Perry, etc. Or flat out hatemongers like Santorum. But, of course, the majority of the nation would never vote for somebody like that, so the candidates the base are pushing for in the primary can't possibly win in the general. On the flip side you have the bloc of Republicans who have not bought into the Fox world. They are pushing for candidates that are at least sane and informed and therefore at least have some chance in the general. But, those candidates can't count on a decent turnout from their Fox nut base, so they end up not being able to win a general either... It's quite a pickle Fox has created. They've painted themselves into a corner. You can bet your bottom dollar that there are some key people over at Fox pacing around conference rooms slowly realizing what they did and frantically trying to figure out how to undo it in time for the election, but of course it's too late. It took they years to build up this army of crazy and it will take them years to undo it. It might even not be something they can fix. If they try they might just get branded as co-conspirators that must have been infiltrated by the black supremacist or shadow science organizations or whatever. It'll be interesting to see how Fox plays it the next four years. I'm betting they ease off the crazy and start at least toning it down to the point where their base is at least willing to reluctantly accept a candidate that isn't insane, but we'll see.
 
teamosil said:
The root lesson of this election is that Fox has screwed up the right so badly that they can no longer elect a president. Fox has given the conservative base a ludicrously distorted idea of what is going on in the world. Their view of things is now riddled with conspiracy theories, ludicrously false factoids, overwhelming threats to our safety behind every rock, visions of the imminent collapse of the country, etc. So, their viewers are demanding a nominee that will fight heroically against those behind the conspiracies and collapse of the country and whatnot. The problem is, of course, none of those things are real. So, the only nominees the base on the right will support are literally crazy people or intensely ignorant people. Trump, Bachmann, Cain, Perry, etc. Or flat out hatemongers like Santorum. But, of course, the majority of the nation would never vote for somebody like that, so the candidates the base are pushing for in the primary can't possibly win in the general. On the flip side you have the bloc of Republicans who have not bought into the Fox world. They are pushing for candidates that are at least sane and informed and therefore at least have some chance in the general. But, those candidates can't count on a decent turnout from their Fox nut base, so they end up not being able to win a general either... It's quite a pickle Fox has created. They've painted themselves into a corner. You can bet your bottom dollar that there are some key people over at Fox pacing around conference rooms slowly realizing what they did and frantically trying to figure out how to undo it in time for the election, but of course it's too late. It took they years to build up this army of crazy and it will take them years to undo it. It might even not be something they can fix. If they try they might just get branded as co-conspirators that must have been infiltrated by the black supremacist or shadow science organizations or whatever. It'll be interesting to see how Fox plays it the next four years. I'm betting they ease off the crazy and start at least toning it down to the point where their base is at least willing to reluctantly accept a candidate that isn't insane, but we'll see.
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While I disagree with your assessment, I must ask you...have you ever tried using paragraphs?

Just saying...
 
He he, just as Dems thought their mud and slings could finally focus on Romney, back comes Gingrich. Either way, the mud supply will will be pretty depleted and dry come the general election. It's fun to watch though.
 
Meathead said:
He he, just as Dems thought their mud and slings could finally focus on Romney, back comes Gingrich. Either way, the mud supply will will be pretty depleted and dry come the general election. It's fun to watch though.
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We haven't even started flinging mud yet. So far this is just you guys eating your own. Gingrich's PAC is going ape**** on Romney- he's the one that came up with the Bain Capital attack. The other candidates and the Republican audience at your last debate is who is demanding his tax returns. Romney is now laying into Gingrich with both barrels. Perry put a downloadable ringtone of Romney saying "I like to fire people" up on his website. Paul's ads have been just utterly vicious. The only major attack that didn't originate from your own candidates per se came from Gingrich's own ex wife...

No, the liberals have pretty much just been sitting back and laughing so far.
 
Meathead said:
The liberal media, left-wing blogosphere and Obama's re-election gang have had to switch mudslinging gears so many times that you can't help but think of The Boy who Cried Wolf! Remember Bachman, Palin, Cain,and Newt? Lo and behold, now they have to switch to Santorum (Romney and Paul have been pretty much constants). However, maybe it doesn't matter because they are all inevitably radical wingnuts so you have a sort of default one-size-fits-all.:roll:
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Ill give you an A for effort.
 
teamosil said:
We haven't even started flinging mud yet. So far this is just you guys eating your own. Gingrich's PAC is going ape**** on Romney- he's the one that came up with the Bain Capital attack. The other candidates and the Republican audience at your last debate is who is demanding his tax returns. Romney is now laying into Gingrich with both barrels. Perry put a downloadable ringtone of Romney saying "I like to fire people" up on his website. Paul's ads have been just utterly vicious. The only major attack that didn't originate from your own candidates per se came from Gingrich's own ex wife...

No, the liberals have pretty much just been sitting back and laughing so far.
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I'm surprised, I figured you would be one of those slavishly watching Schultz, Madcow and clicking of Daily Kos and such for instruction and confirmation of your political views.
 
Mycroft said:
teamosil said:
The root lesson of this election is that Fox has screwed up the right so badly that they can no longer elect a president. Fox has given the conservative base a ludicrously distorted idea of what is going on in the world. Their view of things is now riddled with conspiracy theories, ludicrously false factoids, overwhelming threats to our safety behind every rock, visions of the imminent collapse of the country, etc. So, their viewers are demanding a nominee that will fight heroically against those behind the conspiracies and collapse of the country and whatnot. The problem is, of course, none of those things are real. So, the only nominees the base on the right will support are literally crazy people or intensely ignorant people. Trump, Bachmann, Cain, Perry, etc. Or flat out hatemongers like Santorum. But, of course, the majority of the nation would never vote for somebody like that, so the candidates the base are pushing for in the primary can't possibly win in the general. On the flip side you have the bloc of Republicans who have not bought into the Fox world. They are pushing for candidates that are at least sane and informed and therefore at least have some chance in the general. But, those candidates can't count on a decent turnout from their Fox nut base, so they end up not being able to win a general either... It's quite a pickle Fox has created. They've painted themselves into a corner. You can bet your bottom dollar that there are some key people over at Fox pacing around conference rooms slowly realizing what they did and frantically trying to figure out how to undo it in time for the election, but of course it's too late. It took they years to build up this army of crazy and it will take them years to undo it. It might even not be something they can fix. If they try they might just get branded as co-conspirators that must have been infiltrated by the black supremacist or shadow science organizations or whatever. It'll be interesting to see how Fox plays it the next four years. I'm betting they ease off the crazy and start at least toning it down to the point where their base is at least willing to reluctantly accept a candidate that isn't insane, but we'll see.
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While I disagree with your assessment, I must ask you...have you ever tried using paragraphs?

Just saying...
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And aluminum foil. Paragraphs and aluminum foil, together, will solve many of Teamosil's issues, I think.
 
teamosil said:
We haven't even started flinging mud yet. So far this is just you guys eating your own. Gingrich's PAC is going ape**** on Romney- he's the one that came up with the Bain Capital attack. The other candidates and the Republican audience at your last debate is who is demanding his tax returns. Romney is now laying into Gingrich with both barrels. Perry put a downloadable ringtone of Romney saying "I like to fire people" up on his website. Paul's ads have been just utterly vicious. The only major attack that didn't originate from your own candidates per se came from Gingrich's own ex wife...

No, the liberals have pretty much just been sitting back and laughing so far.
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The liberals have been quite active in the mud slinging, ridicule and the lying...just look at the threads on this forum for examples. And it's not limited to this forum, either. Look at dailykos and others online, as well. It's all there...and it's all they have. Nothing on the issues...nothing.

What you call the Republicans "eating your own" is only the normal primary process...much like what happened during the Democratic primary four years ago. Nothing unusual about it.
 
Mycroft said:
The liberals have been quite active in the mud slinging, ridicule and the lying...just look at the threads on this forum for examples. And it's not limited to this forum, either. Look at dailykos and others online, as well. It's all there...and it's all they have. Nothing on the issues...nothing.

What you call the Republicans "eating your own" is only the normal primary process...much like what happened during the Democratic primary four years ago. Nothing unusual about it.
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Yes, this is the normal primary process. All that's different is that we live in an insta-news age. Historically, American politics often has been a blood sport.
 
Mycroft said:
The liberals have been quite active in the mud slinging, ridicule and the lying...just look at the threads on this forum for examples. And it's not limited to this forum, either. Look at dailykos and others online, as well. It's all there...and it's all they have. Nothing on the issues...nothing.

What you call the Republicans "eating your own" is only the normal primary process...much like what happened during the Democratic primary four years ago. Nothing unusual about it.
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It is the normal process, but everytime a story breaks the kool-aid drinkers here come out and scream about "The EVIL liberal media machine." Really, who edited Mitt's comments down to "I like to fire people." Gingrich's SuperPAC. Are they liberals? It can't be documented, but I think that Cain's ladies and Newt's ex were probably dug up by the Romney and Perry machines.
 
Mycroft said:
I think the Republicans have learned a lesson.

During the '08 campaign, the Democrat's chief tactic was to smear and lie about their opponent and their secondary tactic was to make general, feel-good promises. This was quite effective and resulted in a no-name, silver-tongued candidate being elected. Now, smearing and lying is all they have left because they can't run on their record and the people won't believe any more promises.

So, the Republicans...knowing that the smearing and lying will be coming...have thrown up a number of targets to keep Democrats busy while Romney glides by mostly under the radar.

For sure, when Romney is nominated, the Democrats will shift into high gear and attack him. But most of the issues that the Democrats can use against him have already been put out there and Romney has dealt with them. All he needs to do is stick to issues and the Democrats will be at a disadvantage. I think the Democrats understand this and that's why Obama is spending most of his time advancing his class-division rhetoric. Whether the people will accept this is not certain yet.

For those of us who are not beholden to either the Republicans or the Democrats, this election season promises to be most entertaining.
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I don't think i agree with that. Romney was frontrunner for a while, and the media never vetted him, either the right or left. And really, the Gop establishment has had little control of the primaries. I don't think this election is between Obama and the Republicans. I think the republicans are going to win no matter who they go with, but it's the Gop establishment verse the electorate.
 
DarkWizard12 said:
I don't think i agree with that. Romney was frontrunner for a while, and the media never vetted him, either the right or left. And really, the Gop establishment has had little control of the primaries. I don't think this election is between Obama and the Republicans. I think the republicans are going to win no matter who they go with, but it's the Gop establishment verse the electorate.
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So far, the media has paid much more attention to Romney than they ever did to Obama. But they've paid much more attention to the other Republican candidates than they have to Romney. The media wants this election to be between Romney and Obama.

Now. The media was successful in getting Obama elected, but I'm not sure they'll be successful in choosing the Republican nominee...but they will keep trying.

In respect to the electorate...Republicans will end up voting for whomever they select as their nominee. The Democrats will end up voting for Obama. Both Parties will try to influence and attract the Independents. The media will try to influence the Independents to vote for Obama.

Based on what I've said before, I predict Romney will be the Republican nominee. I make no predictions on who will win the White House.
 
Mycroft said:
So far, the media has paid much more attention to Romney than they ever did to Obama. But they've paid much more attention to the other Republican candidates than they have to Romney. The media wants this election to be between Romney and Obama.

Now. The media was successful in getting Obama elected, but I'm not sure they'll be successful in choosing the Republican nominee...but they will keep trying.

In respect to the electorate...Republicans will end up voting for whomever they select as their nominee. The Democrats will end up voting for Obama. Both Parties will try to influence and attract the Independents. The media will try to influence the Independents to vote for Obama.

Based on what I've said before, I predict Romney will be the Republican nominee. I make no predictions on who will win the White House.
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It's the liberal media.

Boy, is that a lame, tired excuse. Why didn't the media elect Gore and Kerry?
 
Mycroft said:
So far, the media has paid much more attention to Romney than they ever did to Obama. But they've paid much more attention to the other Republican candidates than they have to Romney. The media wants this election to be between Romney and Obama.

Now. The media was successful in getting Obama elected, but I'm not sure they'll be successful in choosing the Republican nominee...but they will keep trying.

In respect to the electorate...Republicans will end up voting for whomever they select as their nominee. The Democrats will end up voting for Obama. Both Parties will try to influence and attract the Independents. The media will try to influence the Independents to vote for Obama.

Based on what I've said before, I predict Romney will be the Republican nominee. I make no predictions on who will win the White House.
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Not sure of what guilt the media carries at this point. But do believe that the Republican power structure very much wants Romney to be the nominee.

That may be because the GOP leadership favors Romney's ideology. Or it could be that Gingrich is a loose cannon who make them nervous. Personally don't know which....
 
Mycroft said:
I think the Republicans have learned a lesson.

During the '08 campaign, the Democrat's chief tactic was to smear and lie about their opponent and their secondary tactic was to make general, feel-good promises. This was quite effective and resulted in a no-name, silver-tongued candidate being elected. Now, smearing and lying is all they have left because they can't run on their record and the people won't believe any more promises.

So, the Republicans...knowing that the smearing and lying will be coming...have thrown up a number of targets to keep Democrats busy while Romney glides by mostly under the radar.

For sure, when Romney is nominated, the Democrats will shift into high gear and attack him. But most of the issues that the Democrats can use against him have already been put out there and Romney has dealt with them. All he needs to do is stick to issues and the Democrats will be at a disadvantage. I think the Democrats understand this and that's why Obama is spending most of his time advancing his class-division rhetoric. Whether the people will accept this is not certain yet.

For those of us who are not beholden to either the Republicans or the Democrats, this election season promises to be most entertaining.
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This strategy, if executed, would require the coordination of millions in the rank and file.

A secret that big never remains a secret.
 
megaprogman said:
This strategy, if executed, would require the coordination of millions in the rank and file.

A secret that big never remains a secret.
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It's not a secret...and it doesn't require millions at all. It only requires a few at the top.
 
Mycroft said:
The liberals have been quite active in the mud slinging, ridicule and the lying...just look at the threads on this forum for examples. And it's not limited to this forum, either. Look at dailykos and others online, as well. It's all there...and it's all they have. Nothing on the issues...nothing.

What you call the Republicans "eating your own" is only the normal primary process...much like what happened during the Democratic primary four years ago. Nothing unusual about it.
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Do you think a ton of the Republican primary voters are getting their news from dailykos? Or do you think it's Gingrich's attacks and Paul's attacks and Fox's reporting and whatnot that they are hearing more?
 
teamosil said:
Do you think a ton of the Republican primary voters are getting their news from dailykos? Or do you think it's Gingrich's attacks and Paul's attacks and Fox's reporting and whatnot that they are hearing more?
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Do you contend that the liberals have NOT been active in mud slinging, ridicule and lying?

If so, let's see your evidence to support that contention.

Look, saying that the Republicans are doing it doesn't mean the liberals are not doing it. A variation of the "but Bush did it too" tactic doesn't do anything to bolster your case.
 
Mycroft said:
Look, saying that the Republicans are doing it doesn't mean the liberals are not doing it. A variation of the "but Bush did it too" tactic doesn't do anything to bolster your case.
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Yeah, sure, liberals are doing it too. But it's Republicans that have brought on this whole debacle for themselves. The liberals aren't involved. You guys are doing it to yourselves.
 
teamosil said:
Yeah, sure, liberals are doing it too. But it's Republicans that have brought on this whole debacle for themselves. The liberals aren't involved. You guys are doing it to yourselves.
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What debacle? Do you characterize the way the Republicans choose to conduct their primary as a "debacle"? I don't.

What I contend is that the liberals have nothing BUT lies, smears and ridicule. We saw that in 2008, 2010 and we are seeing it now.
 
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