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"George Zimmerman is a Sandy Hook waiting to happen"

Lutherf said:
We defend people because they are human and deserve the benefit of the doubt ESPECIALLY after they have been tried and found not guilty of any crime!

The very idea that you would suggest that anybody who supported Zimmerman's right to fair treatment under the law found the death of Trayvon Martin "satisfying" is shameful.
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That's not what I said. Not even close. That is your defensiveness reading something into it that is not only non-existent but the opposite is clearly stated
 
opendebate said:
That's not what I said. Not even close. That is your defensiveness reading something into it that is not only non-existent but the opposite is clearly stated
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No it is not clearly stated. You said:

The point has become why were so many so ready and willing to be indifferent even perhaps to some extent gratified at the senseless shooting death of a young boy.
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Explain what you meant.
 
opendebate said:
I actually have compassion for him for the position he has put himself in and how his life has been turned upside down. I have no desire to persecute this guy but I find the blind support he has garnered from the public disturbing. This is what my focus is on.
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I love this stuff.


what did you folks think would happen after such a high profile public hate campaign was launched on him?.. of course he's stressed out, who wouldn't be?
I'm a very stable dude, but I think I'd be at my wits end with such public treatment. ( probably not, i'd probably fight back in public, but still)



it's not blind support you are witnessing... it's just support, there's nothing blind about it....we're long past "blind".. we know the facts.

as far as Z is concerned, I support leaving him alone... nothing more, nothing less...put the hate campaign to bed, stop following his every move( it's creepy).... let the man get through all this bull****.
 
MaggieD said:
No it is not clearly stated. You said:

Explain what you meant.
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Did you read all my posts that pertain to him as a person and what I wish for him or think of him?
 
opendebate said:
The knee jerk defensiveness that some have exhibited here in defense of someone they do not even know is the point. A seeming incapability to step back and look at this post objectively is the point. The frenzy is aw inspiring.
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I think you should check your own objectivity first...if you are, in fact, interested in objectivity.
 
opendebate said:
Did you read all my posts that pertain to him as a person and what I wish for him or think of him?
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We're not talking about what you think of Zimmerman. We're talking your implication that people who gave him the benefit of the doubt somehow or other got satisfaction out of Trayvon's death.
 
opendebate said:
Florida Police Chief agrees 'George Zimmerman is a Sandy Hook waiting to happen'

More and more it is looking like this guy is a ticking time bomb, or should I say still ticking since he already went off once. The article is one more example, in what is beginning to look like the consensus amongst people who actually know this guy, that he is one troubled dude. So hats off to those in the media and his public supporters who touted this guy as some kind of noble hero and victim.



“Zimmerman is a Sandy Hook, Aurora waiting to happen,” the resident, Santiago Rodriguez, writes to Bracknell in his first email", to which Bracknell replies: “Your reference to Sandy Hook … I agree,” according to the Guardian.

“Sooner or later another mother and father is going to be on CNN lashing out against the system due to this man snapping.”.

The article also contains a statement from Z's attorney indicating that he did have a gun on the day he confrtonted Shellie and her father but that he did not take it out:

...confirming that he had a gun, but stressed: "He never took the weapon out."

Florida Police Chief agrees 'George Zimmerman is a Sandy Hook waiting to happen' - Americas - World - The Independent
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I don't like what he did, but it's a little messed up to portray him as a future mass murderer. I think a lot of people who didn't like the verdict, including myself, forget that this guy is human. Think about what's going on his head. People act like he's this heartless murder when imo he's not. What he did was stupid, rash, and unnecessary imo, but I don't think he did out animosity towards African Americans. I think he was defending himself, and took a cowards way out. I feel like at the very least he feels some level of guilt and regret. And you know what, TM made a stupid decision when he chose to assault Z, and while I think it's wrong that he's gone I can't empathize with that reason. If it was me being followed I would turn around and swing on the guy. I might be like "hey! wtf do you think you're doing following me?" but assaulting him was irrational. Imagine if TM was armed, and instead of swinging on Z he shot him dead? Who then would people be calling a future mass murderer?
 
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Lutherf said:
We're not talking about what you think of Zimmerman. We're talking your implication that people who gave him the benefit of the doubt somehow or other got satisfaction out of Trayvon's death.
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Again you exaggerate and inflame things. I said "...so many so ready and willing to be indifferent even perhaps to some extent gratified at ..." That does not say that ALL people who supported him and even states perhaps even to some extent.
 
The only thing missing from this inflammatory, ridiculous bait thread and article is that the "Sandy Hook" George Zimmerman would only kill black children.
 
sbrettt said:
I don't like what he did, but it's a little messed up to portray him as a future mass murderer. I think a lot of people who didn't like the verdict, including myself, forget that this guy is human. Think about what's going on his head. People act like he's this heartless murder when imo he's not. What he did was stupid, rash, and unnecessary imo, but I don't think he did out animosity towards African Americans. I think he was defending himself, and took a cowards way out. I feel like at the very least he feels some level of guilt and regret.
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I don't think that is the point. The point is that he is going to snap and DO SOMETHING. The point is that he appears to be unstable because of behaviors consistently witnessed by those around him. I don't think the analogy is intended say more than that.

People act like he's this heartless murder when imo he's not. What he did was stupid, rash, and unnecessary imo, but I don't think he did out animosity towards African Americans.
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I actually agree with you in that I do not see him as a heartless murderer and I am not one of those who has championed that kind of judgment of him at all. I also agree on your assessment of his contribution to what happened that night. I would add however that it is possible that his temperament, based on what longtime observers are now sharing about him, prompted him to create a life threatening confrontation that should never have happened.
 
opendebate said:
Again you exaggerate and inflame things. I said "...so many so ready and willing to be indifferent even perhaps to some extent gratified at ..." That does not say that ALL people who supported him and even states perhaps even to some extent.
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Seriously, if you can't own it and don't want to back it down, don't post it.

Your post accuses those who think this post is a bunch of garbage* as being people who "got satisfaction" out of Trayvon Martin's death.

*Not YOU . . . the fact that some dood who works as a police chief would chime in with an opinion like that. It's disgraceful. Absolutely disgraceful. For YOU, then, to criticize those who react to that disgraceful behavior by implying that many/some/all of them "got satisfaction" out of Martin's death is ludicrous.

If you didn't mean it that way? Then say, "Yeah, I was over the top. That's not what I meant." But don't keep denying the very words you wrote.
 
Thrilla said:
I think you should check your own objectivity first...if you are, in fact, interested in objectivity.
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I am completely objective. I do not endorse the "frenzy" on either side. Here in this arena however, the Zimmerman support is more present so I address it.
 
opendebate said:
I don't think that is the point. The point is that he is going to snap and DO SOMETHING. The point is that he appears to be unstable because of behaviors consistently witnessed by those around him. I don't think the analogy is intended say more than that.



I actually agree with you in that I do not see him as a heartless murderer and I am not one of those who has championed that kind of judgment of him at all. I also agree on your assessment of his contribution to what happened that night. I would add however that it is possible that his temperament, based on what longtime observers are now sharing about him, prompted him to create a life threatening confrontation that should never have happened.
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Ahhh, you caught me before the edit. I really need to learn to stop waiting to edit my comments after I post them. I think it's very possible that calling this guy a "Sandy Hook waiting to happen" could be a self fulfilling prophecy. If someone ever said something like that to me, accused me of wanting to kill children, I would be in jail for assault battery, possibly aggravated assault the next day.
 
MaggieD said:
Seriously, if you can't own it and don't want to back it down, don't post it.


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Seriously, if you can't own it and don't want to back it down, don't post it.
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If I choose not to own the spin someone puts on my words I have every right to do so. Get it RIGHT and I am happy to own it.

Your post accuses those who think this post is a bunch of garbage* as being people who "got satisfaction" out of Trayvon Martin's death.
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No it does not. That is your emotional reaction to it. Read it with an open mind and you will see different.


If you didn't mean it that way? Then say, "Yeah, I was over the top. That's not what I meant." But don't keep denying the very words you wrote
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Once again, denying your or anyone else's interpretation is not my responsibility. When I am in error I do own it. You can own your own errors thank you.
 
opendebate said:
I don't think that is the point. The point is that he is going to snap and DO SOMETHING. The point is that he appears to be unstable because of behaviors consistently witnessed by those around him. I don't think the analogy is intended say more than that.



I actually agree with you in that I do not see him as a heartless murderer and I am not one of those who has championed that kind of judgment of him at all. I also agree on your assessment of his contribution to what happened that night. I would add however that it is possible that his temperament, based on what longtime observers are now sharing about him, prompted him to create a life threatening confrontation that should never have happened.
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why are you assuming Santiago Rodriguez even knows Zimmerman or is a "long time observer"

nowhere, in any of the articles does it describe Rodriguez as anything more than " a Lake Mary resident".

no one else is referenced.. no "long time observers" no long time friends...etc..... so where are you getting this stuff from?
 
opendebate said:
I am completely objective. I do not endorse the "frenzy" on either side. Here in this arena however, the Zimmerman support is more present so I address it.
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i'm sure you believe you are being completely objective.... but it's not coming across to the rest of us, at all.
 
opendebate said:
If I choose not to own the spin someone puts on my words I have every right to do so. Get it RIGHT and I am happy to own it.


No it does not. That is your emotional reaction to it. Read it with an open mind and you will see different.




Once again, denying your or anyone else's interpretation is not my responsibility. When I am in error I do own it. You can own your own errors thank you.
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Sometimes the only correct response is, "Whatever."
 
sbrettt said:
Ahhh, you caught me before the edit. I really need to learn to stop waiting to edit my comments after I post them. I think it's very possible that calling this guy a "Sandy Hook waiting to happen" could be a self fulfilling prophecy. If someone ever said something like that to me, accused me of wanting to kill children, I would be in jail for assault battery, possibly aggravated assault the next day.
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I am indifferent to the SH ref because I don't take that as literal. I can give you that is a pretty aggressive analogy. But is is a headline and attention grabber, I suppose that's why I looked past it in the first place.
 
Thrilla said:
i'm sure you believe you are being completely objective.... but it's not coming across to the rest of us, at all.
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I think that is because of the position I take in this argument.
 
Josie said:
The only thing missing from this inflammatory, ridiculous bait thread and article is that the "Sandy Hook" George Zimmerman would only kill black children.
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we both know that some people are thinking it, so it's only a matter of time before someone types it out...:lol:
 
I want ol Georgie to blast another black kid and get away with that too
 
opendebate said:
In all honesty I hope he gets some help and gets his life back on track before that happens. That is my position.

This is no longer about his guy and frankly he will bring his own undoing. Although, The point has become the fervor that he has elicited from his supporters. People who don't know this man are defending him as if he was a family member. Why? The point has become why were so many so ready and willing to be indifferent even perhaps to some extent gratified at the senseless shooting death of a young boy. Why?



You don't know me so labeling me as "people like you" that hate filled speak is really a little premature. And believe me I want to stay as far away from knowing what is going on inside your brain as possible.
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Mostly because he was made out to be some racist fanatic, when a jury decided that his actions were not even criminal. Is he perfect? No. Is he under tremendous pressure and possibly targetted for death? Yes. Why is it OK for a public official, in this case a police chief, to spout off about his potential to be a mass shooter? He has gotten traffic tickets and pissed off his estranged wife - the horror!

The fact that people detest unfounded accusations from the media and stupid (slanderous?) comments from Floriduh government officials is not a sign that they wished Trayvon Martin any harm, but that they see pressure applied to George Zimmerman to somehow be a super citizen. He is simply a regular guy that got his name splashed into headlines to appease the race hustling, poverty pimps.
 
MaggieD said:
Seriously, if you can't own it and don't want to back it down, don't post it.

Your post accuses those who think this post is a bunch of garbage* as being people who "got satisfaction" out of Trayvon Martin's death.

*Not YOU . . . the fact that some dood who works as a police chief would chime in with an opinion like that. It's disgraceful. Absolutely disgraceful. For YOU, then, to criticize those who react to that disgraceful behavior by implying that many/some/all of them "got satisfaction" out of Martin's death is ludicrous.

If you didn't mean it that way? Then say, "Yeah, I was over the top. That's not what I meant." But don't keep denying the very words you wrote.
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You're wasting your breath, Maggie. Sometimes you just run into a person that is so self righteous and so infallible in their beliefs that they're never wrong. Heck, sometimes those folks even get elected president.
 
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