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Zimmerman lawyer to ask Florida to pay up to $300,000 in legal costs: report

joko104 said:
Crue on any topic has certain premises and increasingly and furious escalate upon it. These are the premises.

Anyone who deviates from behavior perfectly acceptable to the government is inviting their death and the death of their family.
Anyone who has a firearm that isn't keep locked in their house should be in jail.
Anyone who uses a firearm in self defense should be presumed to be and treated as a murderer, imprisoned, and continue to be presumed guilty unless proven innocent at trial. However, if the government continues to contend the person is guilty then he/she is guilty anyway.
Anyone the government alleges has committed a crime should have all that person's firearms taken away.

On this thread, he is now increasingly insisting that George Zimmerman should have been presumed guilty, should have been arrested, jailed, lose all his money in legal fees, required to wear a tracker and prevented from movement - and that this by politicians to do this was right, and unless and until Zimmerman could prove he was innocent he should have been found guilty. That is what is due to anyone who uses a - OMG A GUN!!! - for self defense. This will increasingly lead to insults, raging and sneering against anyone who disagrees.
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Over reach some?
 
specklebang said:
While I have a very poor opinion of Zimmerman because I hate amateur cops, the reality is that he was found not guilty. When you are prosecuted, it costs a fortune to defend yourself. I hope this establishes a precedent that the innocent are reimbursed for their legal expenses. Too often, the state will arrest someone for harassment purpose knowing that no matter if they win or lose, they will have damaged their victim financially. This should be discouraged and making them pay the legal expenses will result in more caution when prosecuting people.
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So law enforcement should second guess what crimes they arrest for because they should fear making financial restitution to anyone they arrest?
That is a slippery slope we really dont need to go down.
If Zimmerman wants money, he can go the civil route and sue the state. Put it in front of a judge and jury.
 
buck said:
Good for him.

Zimmerman lawyer to ask Florida to pay up to $300,000 in legal costs: report
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This is an excellent law and I think all jurisdictions should have it. I've often wondered how people wrongly accused cover enormous legal fees simple because an overzealous prosecutor wants to make a name for themselves. Failing the ability to legally sue and hold individual prosecutors responsible for bogus prosecutions, this is the next best thing and if it happens enough, the voters will start paying attention and seek new representation in the DA's office.
 
CRUE CAB said:
Because the state brought the case in good faith.
Weak as it was. If we pay every defendent that wins his case, Florida will be broke by weeks end.
Or we will just quit arresting people.
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The state didn't bring the Zimmerman case in good faith - that's bogus - it was a purely political action on the part of an overzealous prosecutor trying to pad her resume and the blatant way she sucked up to the Martin family during her announcement of charges was nauseating.

Secondly, if Florida would be "broke by week's end" if wrongly accused defendants are made whole after a wrongful prosecution then something is definitely seriously wrong in Florida - prosecutors should have a high percentage of "wins" under their belts and it should be the rare occasion when they make such a mistake - if they're making so many as to bankrupt the state, then they need to be outed for it and be tossed out of office.

Finally, as to "we will just quit arresting people" - again, don't falsely arrest people and charge them with crimes they didn't commit and all will be good.
 
specklebang said:
While I have a very poor opinion of Zimmerman because I hate amateur cops, the reality is that he was found not guilty. When you are prosecuted, it costs a fortune to defend yourself. I hope this establishes a precedent that the innocent are reimbursed for their legal expenses. Too often, the state will arrest someone for harassment purpose knowing that no matter if they win or lose, they will have damaged their victim financially. This should be discouraged and making them pay the legal expenses will result in more caution when prosecuting people.
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That is 100% Specklebang-on!!
 
CanadaJohn said:
The state didn't bring the Zimmerman case in good faith - that's bogus - it was a purely political action on the part of an overzealous prosecutor trying to pad her resume and the blatant way she sucked up to the Martin family during her announcement of charges was nauseating.

Secondly, if Florida would be "broke by week's end" if wrongly accused defendants are made whole after a wrongful prosecution then something is definitely seriously wrong in Florida - prosecutors should have a high percentage of "wins" under their belts and it should be the rare occasion when they make such a mistake - if they're making so many as to bankrupt the state, then they need to be outed for it and be tossed out of office.

Finally, as to "we will just quit arresting people" - again, don't falsely arrest people and charge them with crimes they didn't commit and all will be good.
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OK, then Casey Anthony should be getting a huge check in the mail any day. You ok with that?
Heck where is my 5K I dropped on a lawyer, I won my case. Or every DUI that was lost in court.
I dont have a problem with it, just prove in court judicial misconduct, malelovent prosecution and all other damages that a 30 year old man cannont recoupe from.
 
CRUE CAB said:
So law enforcement should second guess what crimes they arrest for because they should fear making financial restitution to anyone they arrest?
That is a slippery slope we really dont need to go down.
If Zimmerman wants money, he can go the civil route and sue the state. Put it in front of a judge and jury.
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CanadaJohn said:
That is 100% Specklebang-on!!
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The slippery slope we are on is far worse than your slippery slope fears.

Right now, any cop having a bad day needs only to arrest you for anything to **** up your life completely. Have you ever been arrested (guilty or innocent)? It's an unpleasant and expensive experience.

Even then, I didn't propose you should be compensated for being arrested. You should be compensated for being prosecuted. But now that you made me think about it - maybe you should be compensated for being arrested unless that leads to a successful prosecution.
 
specklebang said:
The slippery slope we are on is far worse than your slippery slope fears.

Right now, any cop having a bad day needs only to arrest you for anything to **** up your life completely. Have you ever been arrested (guilty or innocent)? It's an unpleasant and expensive experience.

Even then, I didn't propose you should be compensated for being arrested. You should be compensated for being prosecuted. But now that you made me think about it - maybe you should be compensated for being arrested unless that leads to a successful prosecution.
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Yes and by your standard they owe me 5K.
 
CRUE CAB said:
OK, then Casey Anthony should be getting a huge check in the mail any day. You ok with that?
Heck where is my 5K I dropped on a lawyer, I won my case. Or every DUI that was lost in court.
I dont have a problem with it, just prove in court judicial misconduct, malelovent prosecution and all other damages that a 30 year old man cannont recoupe from.
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If Casey Anthony is entitled to seek reimbursement, fine - my understanding is the State of Florida paid for her defense, not she herself, but I could be wrong.

I have no problem with government prosecutors being held responsible in this manner - they have far too much power and need something to balance it out.
 
CanadaJohn said:
If Casey Anthony is entitled to seek reimbursement, fine - my understanding is the State of Florida paid for her defense, not she herself, but I could be wrong.

I have no problem with government prosecutors being held responsible in this manner - they have far too much power and need something to balance it out.
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They are held responsible. But its a steep hill to climb in court to prove what they did was ill intentioned.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
There is a system in place (or should be) to help to avoid this situation - the grand jury. That allows the common citizens of Floriduh to have a "preemtive" say in these decisions to proceed to trial. The state has been granted virtually unlimitted resources to prosecute cases, and I agree that not all cases are (easily) winable without them, but we should not allow the state's officials to ignore facts simply to try to score political points. This case was not brought based on any solid evidence of a crime, but based on political pressure to appease the loud public objection to perceived "racism".
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Very well said.
 
CRUE CAB said:
They are held responsible. But its a steep hill to climb in court to prove what they did was ill intentioned.
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Here's one thing I'll give you that may balance things out - if an accused uses a public defender, paid for my the court or state, and they lose their trial and are convicted, the costs of the legal defense in the case would become a lien against future income or property of that defendant, including the few dollars a day they may earn in prison - hows that?
 
CanadaJohn said:
Here's one thing I'll give you that may balance things out - if an accused uses a public defender, paid for my the court or state, and they lose their trial and are convicted, the costs of the legal defense in the case would become a lien against future income or property of that defendant, including the few dollars a day they may earn in prison - hows that?
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Actually the state can go after a person for court costs once they are convicted.
 
CRUE CAB said:
"almost". Would you want the death of your loved one decided on "almost"?
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Yes, when there is physical evidence that my loved one beat up some guy, when eye witnesses confirm the account and the aftermath when the timeframe predominantly supports the account and there are only minor items to contradict George's claims... Yes, I would realize what occured and accept it. My son effed the hell up.
 
CRUE CAB said:
So, you are out doing your water cop job. You and some dude have alittle disagreement. Well he feels threatend and pulls faster than you and drops you in your tracks.
Calls 911 and says "hey, dude in uniform starts hasslin' me and tried layin' hands on me so, I dropped him with twins to the blood pumper".
Other cops show up and homeboys story sounds legit. They hand his gun back to him, bid him a fond farewell and you go to the cooler till wifey comes to claim your carcass.
Sounds perfectly acceptable to you?
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If the evidence supports it and there is no contradicting evidence... yes, of course. Before the cops can arrest, they best have proof of a crime.
In your example above, the cops would bring the shooter for questioning then would continue investigating. If they find no proof to contradict some dude's claims.. they can not arrest. Welcome to America.
 
CRUE CAB said:
OK, then Casey Anthony should be getting a huge check in the mail any day. You ok with that?
Heck where is my 5K I dropped on a lawyer, I won my case. Or every DUI that was lost in court.
I dont have a problem with it, just prove in court judicial misconduct, malelovent prosecution and all other damages that a 30 year old man cannont recoupe from.
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If you read the article, you would realize you don't get reimbursed for attorney costs... Only for other court costs (expert witnesses, deomnstrative aids, etc).
 
buck said:
If you read the article, you would realize you don't get reimbursed for attorney costs... Only for other court costs (expert witnesses, deomnstrative aids, etc).
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Dang it, and I was so looking foward to it.
I should have hired some experts.
 
buck said:
If the evidence supports it and there is no contradicting evidence... yes, of course. Before the cops can arrest, they best have proof of a crime.
In your example above, the cops would bring the shooter for questioning then would continue investigating. If they find no proof to contradict some dude's claims.. they can not arrest. Welcome to America.
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Welcome to the fantasy.
You drop a cop for ANY reason, good luck getting to the jail in one piece.
But remember, I am talking about the only evidence being the word of the shooter.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
There is a system in place (or should be) to help to avoid this situation - the grand jury. That allows the common citizens of Floriduh to have a "preemtive" say in these decisions to proceed to trial. The state has been granted virtually unlimitted resources to prosecute cases, and I agree that not all cases are (easily) winable without them, but we should not allow the state's officials to ignore facts simply to try to score political points. This case was not brought based on any solid evidence of a crime, but based on political pressure to appease the loud public objection to perceived "racism".
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Agree but I'd go one step further. Though probably not applicable here Prosecutors, all public officials for that matter including police, should lose their qualified immunity.
 
CRUE CAB said:
But remember, I am talking about the only evidence being the word of the shooter.
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Then you are talking of an example not the least bit similar to the Zimmerman case.
 
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