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    Fighting for the wrong thing!

    Long story short, this woman was having a dispute with her husband. According to her, she became afraid. (There was plenty of history of domestic violence on both sides, apparently.) She went out to her car, got a gun; came back in the house and fired what she called "a warning shot" at her husband with their two children in the room. She was arrested; pleaded not guilty by reason of stand-your-ground laws; and convicted (in 12 minutes of deliberation) on three counts of aggrevated assault and sentenced to the mandatory 20 years.

    Critics say this case shows the SYG laws are discriminatory against African-Americans.

    What?? There's nothing even approaching a stand-your-ground defense in this case. She left the house, went outside, got a gun from the car, came back in and fired. (He had already called 911.)

    Argue that mandatory prison sentences are wrong. Argue THAT. But arguing SYG laws are discriminatory based on this case shows me that people do NOT understand what SYG means.

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    Re: Fighting for the wrong thing!

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Long story short, this woman was having a dispute with her husband. According to her, she became afraid. (There was plenty of history of domestic violence on both sides, apparently.) She went out to her car, got a gun; came back in the house and fired what she called "a warning shot" at her husband with their two children in the room. She was arrested; pleaded not guilty by reason of stand-your-ground laws; and convicted (in 12 minutes of deliberation) on three counts of aggrevated assault and sentenced to the mandatory 20 years.

    Critics say this case shows the SYG laws are discriminatory against African-Americans.

    What?? There's nothing even approaching a stand-your-ground defense in this case. She left the house, went outside, got a gun from the car, came back in and fired. (He had already called 911.)

    Argue that mandatory prison sentences are wrong. Argue THAT. But arguing SYG laws are discriminatory based on this case shows me that people do NOT understand what SYG means.

    Adam Cohen: Marissa Alexander-George Zimmerman Comparison Is Flawed | TIME.com

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    Can't add much to your point, because I agree.

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    Re: Fighting for the wrong thing!

    In short...


    People are idiots.
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    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: Fighting for the wrong thing!

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    In short...


    People are idiots.
    God is great, beer is good, and people are crazy.

    That's how the lyrics go, and they're right on.

    As for the case in the OP, it is clearly not self defense, not in conservative Texas, not in liberal California, not anywhere in the USA. If you have to go and get a gun, then come back and shoot at someone, it is not the same as pulling out a gun and shooting someone who is in the act of attacking you.

    and no, it doesn't matter whether the attacker is black or white.
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    Re: Fighting for the wrong thing!

    The news down here has been playing her story for weeks now.
    She left him before, he beat her when she let him back, now she wants to play all John Wayne. And firing a gun in a room with children?
    She made bad choices worse.

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    Re: Fighting for the wrong thing!

    I don't really support mandatory minimums, particularly ones that run that long, except in those life in prison or death penalty cases.

    I am aware of another incident, but it was a little more on point. Battered woman, drunk husband beats her repeatedly. He comes home drunk, starts up again, she shoots him several times, she got some time. The issue wasn't that anybody doubted her claim--it was that she reloaded and shot him some more after he was already on the floor begging for his life. She hit him several times, but none were fatal. It was the taking time to reload and shoot him some more after he was down that got her the time. I agree with the Court but would give her a "You Go Girl" Medal or something to boot

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    Re: Fighting for the wrong thing!

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    God is great, beer is good, and people are crazy.

    That's how the lyrics go, and they're right on.

    As for the case in the OP, it is clearly not self defense, not in conservative Texas, not in liberal California, not anywhere in the USA. If you have to go and get a gun, then come back and shoot at someone, it is not the same as pulling out a gun and shooting someone who is in the act of attacking you.

    and no, it doesn't matter whether the attacker is black or white.
    Regarding: "and no, it doesn't matter whether the attacker is black or white"......

    Obviously, one can go some steps further. If in similar cases a certain ethnic, or racial group predominantly stands out being guilty of committing this error in judgment, then that must be taken into the category of legitimate profiling.

    Does that mean that some specific member of that ethnic or racial category is more prone to make that error in judgment ?

    Answer: YES.

    Is being in that ethnic and/or racial category sufficient enough for an arrest ?

    Answer: Of course, NOT !

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    Re: Fighting for the wrong thing!

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Long story short, this woman was having a dispute with her husband. According to her, she became afraid. (There was plenty of history of domestic violence on both sides, apparently.) She went out to her car, got a gun; came back in the house and fired what she called "a warning shot" at her husband with their two children in the room. She was arrested; pleaded not guilty by reason of stand-your-ground laws; and convicted (in 12 minutes of deliberation) on three counts of aggrevated assault and sentenced to the mandatory 20 years.

    Critics say this case shows the SYG laws are discriminatory against African-Americans.

    What?? There's nothing even approaching a stand-your-ground defense in this case. She left the house, went outside, got a gun from the car, came back in and fired. (He had already called 911.)

    Argue that mandatory prison sentences are wrong. Argue THAT. But arguing SYG laws are discriminatory based on this case shows me that people do NOT understand what SYG means.

    Adam Cohen: Marissa Alexander-George Zimmerman Comparison Is Flawed | TIME.com

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    Sounds to me she just took Joe Biden's advice.

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    Re: Fighting for the wrong thing!

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    Get it right dude. I think we should waterboard terrorists first and THEN kill them.

    Definitely the preferable way.

    Still not too late for the Guantanomo buttholes.

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