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Do people have reason to generally not like African-Americans?

So your point is that every person has their views on race from birth and it is permanent; therefore in your view any discussion on racism is a total waste of time? And that Sharpston has no one who listens to him and hearing him as anything but worthless - including all African-Americans. That seems your point.

I never said that racism is something you are born with, just that blaming Sharpton is a transparent excuse. Racism existed long before anyone like him ever existed and it will continue long after he dies. If he wasn't around, you'd be ranting about rap music or crime statistics.

Oh, and also you claim no one ever is bothered by be insulted, cursed, accused or threatened.

Its just yet another rationalization you have invented. Societal morality conditions us to reject being the aggressor, so you have created a fantasy in which you are the victim being persecuted by the evil black community. You need to see them as attacking you to be consistent with the delusion that your prejudice is simply self defense.
 
Mass media, especially news is not irrelevant, but it is not a good basis for making judgments about millions of people. This is why media literacy needs to be taught starting in grade school, people need to know how to take the news in context, understand how it distorts reality and find more accurate information.

Also, if someone is going to make public pronouncements about the behavior of a large group of people, they should have a better basis for their knowledge than superficial media stereotypes and news stories intentionally designed to create shock and outrage. Real black people are readily available to talk to, and there are many other good media sources for better information.

Media literacy taught in schools? Ridiculous.

Television is no different than written or spoken words - one has to judge content for themselves.

You knock yourself out controlling public comments - try not to trip on the 1A in the process.
 
Media literacy taught in schools? Ridiculous.

Television is no different than written or spoken words - one has to judge content for themselves.

You knock yourself out controlling public comments - try not to trip on the 1A in the process.

Every medium is a bit different in significant ways.

Do you even know what media literacy is?

Most people do not understand how the media works and the influence of advertisers, practical and technical limitations, ratings and the social and political environment. They don't know how to detect propaganda, sensationalization and stereotypes and they don't know how to tell whether a source of information is credible. They don't have the knowledge and tools needed to judge content for themselves.

There is no better proof than the way that the people of the USA let themselves get conned into supporting the attack and invasion of Iraq.

I didn't express an interest in controlling what people say, I'm just suggesting that they know something about the subject before making broad generalizations about millions of people.
 
Every medium is a bit different in significant ways.

Most people do not understand how the media works and the influence of advertisers, practical and technical limitations, ratings and the social and political environment. They don't know how to detect propaganda, sensationalization and stereotypes and they don't know how to tell whether a source of information is credible. They don't have the knowledge and tools needed to judge content for themselves.

There is no better proof that how the people of the USA let themselves get conned into supporting the attack and invasion of Iraq.

I didn't express an interest in controlling what people say, I'm just suggesting that they know something about the subject before making broad generalizations about millions of people.

Gottcha!

When it comes to intelligence, education, and common sense, many Americans fail miserably.
 
Gottcha!

When it comes to intelligence, education, and common sense, many Americans fail miserably.

Common sense isn't really all that common. Life is more complex than ever, we need strategies to teach people how to make the most of whatever level of education they have to make good decisions. Teaching kids how to educate themselves, and the related skill of knowing how to evaluate the quality of information sources (media literacy), is essential if we want an effective representational democracy.
 
I never said that racism is something you are born with, just that blaming Sharpton is a transparent excuse. Racism existed long before anyone like him ever existed and it will continue long after he dies. If he wasn't around, you'd be ranting about rap music or crime statistics.



Its just yet another rationalization you have invented. Societal morality conditions us to reject being the aggressor, so you have created a fantasy in which you are the victim being persecuted by the evil black community. You need to see them as attacking you to be consistent with the delusion that your prejudice is simply self defense.

I don't like rap music the way I don't like CW music. I don't like how it sounds. Otherwise, you find no rant against rap music by me.

Statistics are delusions nor is reality. And the prejudice is yours.
 
I don't mean as individuals, but in general? I can see a case being made of it, and here is why I can see people feeling that way.

1. The African-American community is a monolithic voting block that has never diversely integrated politically.

2. It seems every instance of what is perceived as injustice if an African-American is involved is instantly declared due to racism and again African-Americans are a monolithic block of opinion.

3. The spokespersons (self assigned) for the African-American "voice" are incessant race-baiters and rather blantantly racist themselves.

4. Those spokespersons only care of injustice towards African-Americans, but demand everyone care about injustice to African-Americans.

5. White liberals and African-American spokespersons (self assigned) incessantly hold pity-parties - and expect to get things in return for it.

6. Those same African-American spokespersons make it clear they despise white people.

7. Their spokespersons constantly threatening riots, predicting violence and protests if they don't get their way - but again only about African-Americans.

So it is unreasonable for people to have negative feelings towards African-Americans in general?

With constant raging about the evil white people, it seems predictable there would be raging about the evil black people in return. Most people don't like being called names and insulted all the time - despite being told political correctness demands they remain silent and even accept their own evil-ness.

Personally, I don't have a dog in this fight. I'm not black, white or brown, other than maybe a tad of African-American back there - don't know. I've lived with/in a variety of ethnic and racial communities. However, of my negative feelings towards racial groups as a whole (not individually), actually it is towards the 2 that are (1 of which is a distant possibility) my own ancestry. Meaning I don't have to feel guilt nor am defending myself in raising this topic.

Thoughts? Let's get it out in the open.

First of all, you're a idiot. Secondly, you have two reasons in your list of seven. You don't like how they vote and you don't like the self-appointed leaders. Only one of those deals with the group as a whole, so basically your entire reason for not liking African-Americans is that they vote as a bloc.

That's an excellent argument, right there.
 
Only one of those deals with the group as a whole, so basically your entire reason for not liking African-Americans is that they vote as a bloc.

That's an excellent argument, right there.

:)

It's also a denunciation of Texas, Alberta, Kansas, etc.........there are lots of blocs that almost always vote in the same direction.
 
First of all, you're a idiot. Secondly, you have two reasons in your list of seven. You don't like how they vote and you don't like the self-appointed leaders. Only one of those deals with the group as a whole, so basically your entire reason for not liking African-Americans is that they vote as a bloc.

That's an excellent argument, right there.

Maybe you should try actually reading the OP rather than rushing to your worthless politically correct flaming me as if you are some oppressed old black man.

Letting old white men pretending they are a black man in the 60s crossing the Selma bridge continue to define the narrative needs to end.
 
Maybe you should try actually reading the OP rather than rushing to your worthless politically correct flaming me as if you are some oppressed old black man.

:lol: Isn't "politically correct flaming" an oxymoron?

You gave seven reason you don't like African-Americans, the first two deal with them being a bloc, the next five are how you don't like prominent African-Americans individuals.

Only the first two can hold up as reasons to dislike African-Americans as a whole, and they're pretty flimsy reasons.
 
:lol: Isn't "politically correct flaming" an oxymoron?

You gave seven reason you don't like African-Americans, the first two deal with them being a bloc, the next five are how you don't like prominent African-Americans individuals.

Only the first two can hold up as reasons to dislike African-Americans as a whole, and they're pretty flimsy reasons.

I suppose there is overlap and it doesn't matter if they are good reasons. Rather it is about impressions people form.

I see no reason to try to prove myself up as not a bigot. That doesn't even fall in the range of how I rationalize, act or evaluate situations or people - from either direction. I don't care if I am or not, that is an irrelevancy to me either way.

There is much talk on "how to improve race relations." The old talking heads - whether on the media or in the community - are exactly counter-productive to this or so it seems. That is the topic, not whether there is legitimate reasons to dislike African-Americans or whether I'm a bigot.

If it were reversed, and there was constant messages on the media and by elders in the community and family of how much African-Americans oppress white people, how white people shouldn't take it anymore, and now white people should hold protests against African-Americans would your message response be the same? It seems the messages and attitudes have shifted from the views of white Americans in the 1950s and earlier to now those of African-American topic messaging and attitudes. And it seems the violence has shifted along with it.
 
I tend to react more to issues like class, level of intelligence, and general value systems more than than I do race, but if there is one thing about being black in this country that bothers me, it is the general level of double standards all around. If a person is a low class thug, they are a low class thug, and if they are a decent person, they are a decent person. What, with the way so many people on the left make excuses for the low class thug here and so many people on the right fail to see the decent person, it seems that far too many people DO judge based upon race.
 
That is the topic, not whether there is legitimate reasons to dislike African-Americans or whether I'm a bigot.

Are you sure? You didn't mention that at all in your OP. In fact, I'd say the topic of this thread, from your posts, seems to be how much of a bigot you're not. The closing sentence in your OP is about how you're not bigoted, and then you deny being a bigot twice in the above post, despite me never accusing you of it at all.

All I've accused you of in this thread is idiocy and having ****ty arguments, both still apply, and I'd further like to accuse you of being an attention whore who started this thread for the sole reason of baiting people into calling you bigoted so that you can deny it and play the victim.
 
Are you sure? You didn't mention that at all in your OP. In fact, I'd say the topic of this thread, from your posts, seems to be how much of a bigot you're not. The closing sentence in your OP is about how you're not bigoted, and then you deny being a bigot twice in the above post, despite me never accusing you of it at all.

All I've accused you of in this thread is idiocy and having ****ty arguments, both still apply, and I'd further like to accuse you of being an attention whore who started this thread for the sole reason of baiting people into calling you bigoted so that you can deny it and play the victim.

What, with the way that 90% of the posters here are so formulaic in everything they say that they could be replaced most easily by robots, I sure wouldn't call Joko an idiot. He is saying things you would rather not read, perhaps, but his views are his own and he is spot-on with many of his points.

I don't see it as liking or not liking African Americans so much as I do an honest look at how race relations are effed up all around.
 
What, with the way that 90% of the posters here are so formulaic in everything they say that they could be replaced most easily by robots, I sure wouldn't call Joko an idiot. He is saying things you would rather not read, perhaps, but his views are his own and he is spot-on with many of his points.

I don't see it as liking or not liking African Americans so much as I do an honest look at how race relations are effed up all around.

Why am I all of a sudden a blind supporter of blacks because I think Joko's an idiot? How I'm responding has nothing to do with my opinion of Joko's attempted topic, and everything to do with how Joko's presented and argued it. This is the ironic reversal of the race card. :lol:
 
(borrowed for the most part from Joko104:


Do people have reason to generally not like Tea Party conservative white people



I don't mean as individuals, but in general? I can see a case being made of it, and here is why I can see people feeling that way.

1. The Tea party Conservative white community is extremely monolithic voting block that refuses to respect or work with other politicians and even actively tries to oust all those who do not 100% agree with them.

2. It seems every instance of what is perceived as injustice if a Tea Party-er is involved is instantly declared due to discrimination against their Tea Party membership and against all Tea Party members which form a monolithic block of opinion.

3. The spokespersons (self assigned) for the Tea Party "voice" are race-baiters and most are blantantly racist themselves, they are also very intolerant to those who are not in their voting block

4. Those spokespersons only care of injustice towards Tea Party whites, but demand everyone will bow to their pity party.

5. Tea party and conservative spokespersons (self assigned) incessantly hold pity-parties - and expect to get things in return for it.

6. Those same Tea Party spokespersons make it clear they despise all colored people and all those who are politically to their left.

7. Their spokespersons constantly threatening violence, predicting rebellion, seceding and protests if they don't get their way - but again only about Tea Party issues.

So it is unreasonable for people to have negative feelings towards Tea Party whites in general?

With constant raging about the evil colored, Latino and non Tea Party people, it seems predictable there would be raging about the evil Tea Party people in return. Most people don't like being called names and insulted all the time - despite being told freedom of speech demands they remain silent and even accept being called everything evil under the sun.

Personally, I don't have a dog in this fight. I am not an American but I do see how political radicalism in the US is causing extreme gridlock and lack of decisive power in just about every issue. And as the US is the world leader in both economic and overall power, this gridlock is causing lack of economic growth and has made the idea of compromise completely on the back burner. I have been discussing various issues on numerous websites (Terry Schiavo, US politics, Natalee Holloway etc.) and have seen how political differences of opinions have grown out into full blown wars with the growth of the Tea Party and the growing intolerance towards other political views (extreme liberals are also guilty of this but the tea party is a much more vocal and visible divisive factor in the US at the moment).



You see, this kind of discussion can be also had about political movements like the Tea party.
 
Why am I all of a sudden a blind supporter of blacks because I think Joko's an idiot? How I'm responding has nothing to do with my opinion of Joko's attempted topic, and everything to do with how Joko's presented and argued it. This is the ironic reversal of the race card. :lol:

I did not call you a blind supporter of blacks.

I see plenty of idiots on these forums. I see idiots who believe every conspiracy theory that comes down the pike. I see idiots who thump their bible but do not understand it. I see idiots who are so p.c. that they support all manner of evil as long as it comes from a different group. I see idiots who check lewrockwell dot com before they know what they should say. I see idiots who are complete hacks all the way around. What makes them idiots is their completete and utter dogmatism.

Joko isn't one of them. What he says does not fit into a neat, little box, and as far as I'm concerned, instead of making him an idiot, that's what prevents him from being one.

Instead of just attacking him by calling him an idiot over and over again, perhaps you could address some of his statements, instead.
 
I did not call you a blind supporter of blacks.

That seems to be the implication, that simply because I was arguing contrary to Joko, I'm one of those you describe that turn a bind eye to minority problems.


Joko isn't one of them. What he says does not fit into a neat, little box, and as far as I'm concerned, instead of making him an idiot, that's what prevents him from being one.

Instead of just attacking him by calling him an idiot over and over again, perhaps you could address some of his statements, instead.

I addressed the OP in my first few posts. His argument was that the reason listed in the OP make group-hatred valid, I demonstrated why that wasn't so for reasons 3-7, and why it's a very flimsy reasoning for the first two reasons.

Joko could have started a mature thread to deal with issues of race relations, and let it get derailed by the race-baiters like everyone else does, instead, he decided to jump the gun so he could play a victim card.
 
That seems to be the implication, that simply because I was arguing contrary to Joko, I'm one of those you describe that turn a bind eye to minority problems.




I addressed the OP in my first few posts. His argument was that the reason listed in the OP make group-hatred valid, I demonstrated why that wasn't so for reasons 3-7, and why it's a very flimsy reasoning for the first two reasons.

Joko could have started a mature thread to deal with issues of race relations, and let it get derailed by the race-baiters like everyone else does, instead, he decided to jump the gun so he could play a victim card.

That you inferred something so completely different from than anything even remotely attached to anything I said only indicates a certain degree of projection here, Spud.

As to his "playing the victim card", I might offer that one could look at your own postings in this thread and wonder if you are just showing off how many times you can get away with direct personal attacks.
 
That you inferred something so completely different from than anything even remotely attached to anything I said only indicates a certain degree of projection here, Spud.

You said:
He is saying things you would rather not read

If you meant something different than how I took it, then I'll gladly admit I'm wrong. But I read it as I'm in denial about the problems related to African Americans, and that is the driving purpose behind my posts in this thread.
As to his "playing the victim card", I might offer that one could look at your own postings in this thread and wonder if you are just showing off how many times you can get away with direct personal attacks.

Oh, I'm not getting away with it. :lol:
 
(borrowed for the most part from Joko104:


Do people have reason to generally not like Tea Party conservative white people



I don't mean as individuals, but in general? I can see a case being made of it, and here is why I can see people feeling that way.

1. The Tea party Conservative white community is extremely monolithic voting block that refuses to respect or work with other politicians and even actively tries to oust all those who do not 100% agree with them.

2. It seems every instance of what is perceived as injustice if a Tea Party-er is involved is instantly declared due to discrimination against their Tea Party membership and against all Tea Party members which form a monolithic block of opinion.

3. The spokespersons (self assigned) for the Tea Party "voice" are race-baiters and most are blantantly racist themselves, they are also very intolerant to those who are not in their voting block

4. Those spokespersons only care of injustice towards Tea Party whites, but demand everyone will bow to their pity party.

5. Tea party and conservative spokespersons (self assigned) incessantly hold pity-parties - and expect to get things in return for it.

6. Those same Tea Party spokespersons make it clear they despise all colored people and all those who are politically to their left.

7. Their spokespersons constantly threatening violence, predicting rebellion, seceding and protests if they don't get their way - but again only about Tea Party issues.

So it is unreasonable for people to have negative feelings towards Tea Party whites in general?

With constant raging about the evil colored, Latino and non Tea Party people, it seems predictable there would be raging about the evil Tea Party people in return. Most people don't like being called names and insulted all the time - despite being told freedom of speech demands they remain silent and even accept being called everything evil under the sun.

Personally, I don't have a dog in this fight. I am not an American but I do see how political radicalism in the US is causing extreme gridlock and lack of decisive power in just about every issue. And as the US is the world leader in both economic and overall power, this gridlock is causing lack of economic growth and has made the idea of compromise completely on the back burner. I have been discussing various issues on numerous websites (Terry Schiavo, US politics, Natalee Holloway etc.) and have seen how political differences of opinions have grown out into full blown wars with the growth of the Tea Party and the growing intolerance towards other political views (extreme liberals are also guilty of this but the tea party is a much more vocal and visible divisive factor in the US at the moment).



You see, this kind of discussion can be also had about political movements like the Tea party.

Actual yes, not entirely, but for the most part you do give reasons for many people to not like the Tea party.

Now... will you further agree that the reasons people don't like the Tea party collectively as a movement or community are not accurate in regards to individuals of the Tea party? Just like reasons some white folks might not like the African-American community does not justified disliking African-Americans themselves on a personal level?
 
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Are you sure? You didn't mention that at all in your OP. In fact, I'd say the topic of this thread, from your posts, seems to be how much of a bigot you're not. The closing sentence in your OP is about how you're not bigoted, and then you deny being a bigot twice in the above post, despite me never accusing you of it at all.

All I've accused you of in this thread is idiocy and having ****ty arguments, both still apply, and I'd further like to accuse you of being an attention whore who started this thread for the sole reason of baiting people into calling you bigoted so that you can deny it and play the victim.

^ worthless message.
 
So it is unreasonable for people to have negative feelings towards African-Americans in general?

I don't think so but not for the reasons you listed.

I'm not that concerned with the political affiliation of the black community.

I am concerned about the disproportionate amount of crime, particularly violent crime, in the community.
 
I don't think so but not for the reasons you listed.

I'm not that concerned with the political affiliation of the black community.

I am concerned about the disproportionate amount of crime, particularly violent crime, in the community.

BOTH concerns about the American Blacks go hand in hand. Their CORRUPT political bias is based on their MONOLITHIC Black Racist vote invariably donated to the CORRUPT DEM Lib/Gay Party......and the ASTRONOMICAL lawlessness feeds on the protection of their RACE-BAITING SWINE like Al "Tawana Brawley" Sharpton, Jesse "The Consummate Turd" Jackson, Louis "The Ultimate Hater" Farrakhan, etc., etc., etc........augmented by the darling Idol of the DEM Lib/Gays: The Personified FRAUD Obummerrhoid and his Stooge and alter ego, Erik "The Consummate Idiot" Holder.
 
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