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New Orleans teen shot in the head by man who thought he was a burglar

To play devil's advocate, you are making assumptions before you know the facts. Maybe the kid was retrieving his ball. :lol: Okay, I know it's unlikely, but still.

Again, all on cam, no mention of a ball. :mrgreen:
 
Nobody has ANY business in my fenced in yard at 2am uninvited.....

Especially not someone known to break into houses and steal ****.

Jeez, I'm really lucky. I remember being a kid/teenager and cutting through people's yards all the time. I'm just thankful I didn't get shot or something! :)

But seriously, I agree but I would still want to wait until the facts come out, and this only benefits the defense as well. We don't know if the man yelled at the kid to get out of his yard or what exactly went on.

I do have to say that I think I would probably yell at someone who was in my yard rather than shoot them first, unless they were actively trying to break into my home.
 
Again, all on cam, no mention of a ball. :mrgreen:

probably thought the ball had made its way inside the house
thus, he needed to scale the fence and break in to retrieve it
yea, that's the story
 
If you read the article, you'll see that the teen was shot in the driveway. He should have drug him into the house. I'm joking, of course. But Castle Laws should not be used as a license to kill all comers. I don't know what "the whole story" is, but if they charged him, apparently his story didn't convince them that shooting this person was necessary. The article also mentions that an unidentified witness's story differs from the shooter's account. Hard to believe there'd be a witness at 2 AM in the morning....

In the drive-way? Hope that's not true ... irnocally, the thing most likely to change stand your ground laws may be abuses of it ... we'll see ...
 
probably thought the ball had made its way inside the house
thus, he needed to scale the fence and break in to retrieve it
yea, that's the story

But you don't know the story either.
 
Nobody has ANY business in my fenced in yard at 2am uninvited.....

Especially not someone known to break into houses and steal ****.

first, you wouldn't know that about him ... but you feel you should have the right to shoot anyone in your fenced in yard at 2 in the morning? Hope people who believe tis don't end up shooting their own child one night.
 
Jeez, I'm really lucky. I remember being a kid/teenager and cutting through people's yards all the time. I'm just thankful I didn't get shot or something! :)

But seriously, I agree but I would still want to wait until the facts come out, and this only benefits the defense as well. We don't know if the man yelled at the kid to get out of his yard or what exactly went on.

I do have to say that I think I would probably yell at someone who was in my yard rather than shoot them first, unless they were actively trying to break into my home.

I doubt you were cutting across people's locked and gated yards, but in my area we knew that if we did that we'd likely be trying to pick pellets out of our ass, or just as bad - rock salt. That last was the fate of many a classmate who thought it cool to steal fruit from a local farm. :mrgreen:
 
I doubt you were cutting across people's locked and gated yards, but in my area we knew that if we did that we'd likely be trying to pick pellets out of our ass, or just as bad - rock salt. That last was the fate of many a classmate who thought it cool to steal fruit from a local farm. :mrgreen:

Lol! We used to go in people's pools in the summertime in the middle of the night. I'm telling you, I'm really lucky I didn't get shot! :2razz:
 
But you don't know the story either.

The video news report has more detail. There was no ball and the kid was seen casing the neighborhood earlier. He has a history of breaking into people's homes and burglarizing them. He climbed over a locked fence and was headed towards the house (the "yard" is tiny).
 
The video news report has more detail. There was no ball and the kid was seen casing the neighborhood earlier. He has a history of breaking into people's homes and burglarizing them. He climbed over a locked fence and was headed towards the house (the "yard" is tiny).

I wasn't serious about the ball. I was just using it as an example to demonstrate that nobody knows what actually happened.
 
Lol! We used to go in people's pools in the summertime in the middle of the night. I'm telling you, I'm really lucky I didn't get shot! :2razz:

Yes, yes you are, but then that depends a bit upon knowing you area, the laws and the people within. That's why I suggest this be made into a public sevice moment for future would-be gate hoppers in that community.
 
I wasn't serious about the ball. I was just using it as an example to demonstrate that nobody knows what actually happened.

Understood, except it's on camera in this case.
 
But you don't know the story either.

the best that can happen - and even that is questionable - is that the kid survives with brain injuries
don't expect him to have a coherent story
as with zimmerman-martin, will have to rely on the shooter's version
and the state will have to prove his fearful state of mind at the time of the shooting was other than reasonable
good luck with proving that before a jury of his peers, since the shooter was defending his pregnant wife and infant child
isn't louisianna, like oregon, the other state that does not require a unanimous jury decision to convict? a lower basis than the zimmerman trial for the prosecution to prevail
kid's burglary history is the ace in the hole for the shooter
 
So if Martin had fled from Zimmerman, this type of guy might have killed him anyway.

Going over a fence and or approaching a home can be a death sentence too.
 
A shot (even a blank) fired in the air or the snap-crackle of a stun-gun would have resolved the problem just as effectively and the defender wouldn't be in this kind of trouble.

Yeah, He should have followed Joe Biden's recommendation and end up in jail for firing a weapon in a populated area. At least this guy, if he survives learned a lesson about hanging out on someone else's property. Personally, I would have waited until he broke into the house and wasted him at the door or window.
 
Yeah, He should have followed Joe Biden's recommendation and end up in jail for firing a weapon in a populated area. At least this guy, if he survives learned a lesson about hanging out on someone else's property. Personally, I would have waited until he broke into the house and wasted him at the door or window.

Maybe he charged the home owner like the other case we have been talking about.
 

:shrug:If we want a society where guns are readily accessible to the average citizen then we have to accept the fallout, innocent people will die along with the not so innocent. We're going to have questionable cases like this and like with the Zimmerman case and either it's something you can live with or it's something that you can't but either way it's the resulting side affect.
 
Shooting someone in your driveway? I just can't get behind that. It was irresponsible and now this 14 year old is going to pay for it. Granted he had a record, but still in your driveway? No absolutely not.
 
Shooting someone in your driveway? I just can't get behind that. It was irresponsible and now this 14 year old is going to pay for it. Granted he had a record, but still in your driveway? No absolutely not.

See, I agree with that; but I think we're in the minority. If Castle Laws are read and interpreted that one can walk out one's front door, confront and shoot someone in one's driveway? I don't support it. I think it's wrong. Of course, he was arrested and charged, so the courts will decide -- just as it should be. You cannot shoot and kill someone because he's letting the air out of your tires. (Example only.)
 
See, I agree with that; but I think we're in the minority. If Castle Laws are read and interpreted that one can walk out one's front door, confront and shoot someone in one's driveway? I don't support it. I think it's wrong. Of course, he was arrested and charged, so the courts will decide -- just as it should be. You cannot shoot and kill someone because he's letting the air out of your tires. (Example only.)

Yea. I mean if they are in the driveway and you say, oh I don't know... out a window?!?! "Hey! you better leave I have a gun! 99.9% of all criminals will beat feat. Now if they keep coming you know that...

#1 They are crazy and you need to defend yourself.
#2 They are probably armed and you need to defend yourself.

I am not saying put yourself in harms way but... IN THE DRIVEWAY?

Well in black neighborhoods kids often hang out in driveways. This is normal. I mean if he was damaging your property even, just call the police, This is not the wild west.

So yes Maggie, I agree. This guy at first glance looks to be an irresponsible gun owner who was just to stupid to own a gun.
 
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