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Hey Martin Supporters... It's time you were educated and enlightened

Institutionalized racism is pretty much a dead issue here. -1



This is 2013, it is not the 1950's anymore. That was more than 50 years ago. Time to get over it and move on into the future.



That is absolutely ridicules. No one has said that.... but you.



noone says " those blacks were sold to whites by another black ?

nobody ?


sure ?

Only for idiots.
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What is there? That's right, nothing. You have absolutely no idea what it means, and so does pretty much anyone else. So to assume/present that his liver was damaged because of some concocted cocktail is not only misleading, it's also false. Even sadder that not only Martin's family has to deal with his untimely death but they have to see their son's name dragged through the mud to push an agenda. Pathetic.

Push an agenda? You must be kidding. The only reason people are looking behind the curtain at Trayvon Martin is because of the attempt to lynch a man who did nothing but defend himself...a man our legal system found not guilty. The case is closed and yet we must listen to how racist white America is....how unfair stand-your-ground legislation is (not even a factor in this case).

You aren't a doctor. Like me, you don't know what that means. In fact, you're denying it has significance as evidenced by your totally ignyoring an earlier post by Buck wherein he's brought a medical explanation to us.

Save your "pathetic" adjective for a worthy cause.
 
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why don't you post the entirety of what I responded to?

but by stil thinking these blacks were sold to us by their own people adn many of them are lazy and burglar ? - Medusa

No one has claimed this nonsense but again.... you.

Nice try though.
 
I would call the police. I would run home (recall he had lost George for about 4 minutes). I might have knocked on a neighbors door. Apparently, you would go attack the guy following you. One of us will end up dead. One of us much more likely to be alive.

Yes, of course... it's all Treyvon's fault why he's dead.

Now tell me, if you were a neighbourhood watch guy, would you still pack heat when you were told not to? Also, would keep following a 'suspect' even though dispatch told you to stop? Since you seem to be so sure of what Trayvon should have done, I am sure you can offer insight as the Zimmerman's action.
 
Yes, of course... it's all Treyvon's fault why he's dead.

Now tell me, if you were a neighbourhood watch guy, would you still pack heat when you were told not to? Also, would keep following a 'suspect' even though dispatch told you to stop? Since you seem to be so sure of what Trayvon should have done, I am sure you can offer insight as the Zimmerman's action.

1. Zimmerman was legally armed with a conceal and carry license.

2. The dispatcher said, "OK, we don't need you to do that" in regards to following him - he was never told "do not follow him"

3. Earlier during the call, the dispatcher told Zimmerman to try and keep him in sight

4. If someone is following me and I'm fearful they are up to no good, I am going to call 911, not my girlfriend and say, "some crazy ass cracker is following me", and I sure as HELL wouldn't confront the guy and get into a fistfight with him.

5. I personally think this is a tragedy, however, it has NOTHING to do with race and has EVERYTHING to do with bad choices made by both parties.
 
Push an agenda? You must be kidding. The only reason people are looking behind the curtain at Trayvon Martin is because of the attempt to lynch a man who did nothing but defend himself...a man our legal system found not guilty. The case is closed and yet we must listen to how racist white America is....how unfair stand-your-ground legislation is (not even a factor in this case).

OJ got free too. And if it weren't for the SYG laws, Zimmerman would be in jail now.

You aren't a doctor. Like me, you don't know what that means.

That's right, we don't. Yet the "so intelligent well investigated" piece that Grim17 posted, insinuates that his liver was damaged because of his drug use. And everybody was like "OMG that's the smoking gun!" Makes me ****ing sick to my stomach.

In fact, you're denying it has significance as evidenced by your totally ignyoring an earlier post by Buck wherein he's brought a medical explanation to us.

What was that? Because he drank and did drugs?

In one post, you say we don't know anything about the damaged liver (that really wasn't damaged, LOL), and a paragraph later, you give me flack for ignoring "evidence" that points towards drug use/alcoholism. Make up your ****ing mind, Maggie.

Save your "pathetic" adjective for a worthy cause.

Seems pretty darn worthy to me.
 
What a joke this hit piece is, and I am stunned how many have fallen hook ladder and sinker to this bunch of nonsense. Whittle makes Mike Moore seem fair and balanced. Amazing that it wan't enough that a 17 year old teen had to die. Oh no. He must be dragged through the mud to push the agenda of some nut cases who have little value for fact and the truth. Sad and pathetic.

There are so many hole to poke at, but let me just start by saying that according to the autopsy, Trayvon's liver was normal. Of course it's so much easier taking the side of the smear machine than to take 5 minutes out of your day and look for yourself.

Read the "Hepatobiliary System" paragraph of the Autopsy report. "Focal Patchy yellow discoloration, due to mild fatty metamorphosis, is present."



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OJ got free too. And if it weren't for the SYG laws, Zimmerman would be in jail now.

This is not true. He did not use the SYG as a defense and never even had a SYG hearing. He went for a self defense plea.

That's right, we don't. Yet the "so intelligent well investigated" piece that Grim17 posted, insinuates that his liver was damaged because of his drug use. And everybody was like "OMG that's the smoking gun!" Makes me ****ing sick to my stomach.

Yes it did. It was also clear it was speculation. Unlike the doctored 911 call or the pictures of a 12 year old boy.

It was pretty one sided in the MSM from the beginning.
 
1. Zimmerman was legally armed with a conceal and carry license.

So what. He was not supposed to carry while on watch:

— it has been revealed that Zimmerman was not a member of any group recognized by the organization. Zimmerman violated the central tenets of Neighborhood Watch by following Martin, confronting him and carrying a concealed weapon.

“In no program that I have ever heard of does someone patrol with a gun in their pocket,” Carmen Caldwell, the Executive Director of Citizens’ Crime Watch of Miami-Dade, told theGrio. “Every city and municipality has their own policies. Here in Miami-Dade we train people only to be the eyes and ears of their communities. Not to follow and most definitely not to carry a weapon.”


George Zimmerman not a member of recognized neighborhood watch organization | theGrio

2. The dispatcher said, "OK, we don't need you to do that" in regards to following him - he was never told "do not follow him"

The dispatcher asked Zimmerman if he was following him. When Zimmerman answered, "yeah", the dispatcher said, "We don't need you to do that." Zimmerman responded, "Okay."
Of course, we all know that he still did anyway.

4. If someone is following me and I'm fearful they are up to no good, I am going to call 911, not my girlfriend and say, "some crazy ass cracker is following me", and I sure as HELL wouldn't confront the guy and get into a fistfight with him.

You are not Trayvon Martin.

5. I personally think this is a tragedy, however, it has NOTHING to do with race and has EVERYTHING to do with bad choices made by both parties.

I mostly agree
 
Read the "Hepatobiliary System" paragraph of the Autopsy report. "Focal Patchy yellow discoloration, due to mild fatty metamorphosis, is present."



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And??? What the **** does that prove? LOL
 
This is not true. He did not use the SYG as a defense and never even had a SYG hearing. He went for a self defense plea.

Then why did the interviewed juror state that it was indeed the SYG laws that decided the verdict???



Yes it did. It was also clear it was speculation. Unlike the doctored 911 call or the pictures of a 12 year old boy.

It was pretty one sided in the MSM from the beginning.

People here are masturbating over this piece of **** reporting. And just because the other side was guilty of doing the same, it does not give anyone the right to manipulate and mislead.
 
OJ got free too. And if it weren't for the SYG laws, Zimmerman would be in jail now.

That's right, we don't. Yet the "so intelligent well investigated" piece that Grim17 posted, insinuates that his liver was damaged because of his drug use. And everybody was like "OMG that's the smoking gun!" Makes me ****ing sick to my stomach.

What was that? Because he drank and did drugs?

In one post, you say we don't know anything about the damaged liver (that really wasn't damaged, LOL), and a paragraph later, you give me flack for ignoring "evidence" that points towards drug use/alcoholism. Make up your ****ing mind, Maggie.

Seems pretty darn worthy to me.

I've found that arguing with people who think Zimmerman was found not guilty because of the stand-your-ground instruction is a hopeless task. Believe what you will. Like Rhett, "I don't give a damn."
 
Then why did the interviewed juror state that it was indeed the SYG laws that decided the verdict???

Because the Juror got it wrong. At no time did the judge give instructions on SYG, nor was it brought in as evidence at the trial. As I said he did not even go for a SYG hearing. I also have a feeling the juror meant self defense and it was a semantic slip.

People here are masturbating over this piece of **** reporting. And just because the other side was guilty of doing the same, it does not give anyone the right to manipulate and mislead.

I absolutely agree but as I already stated he was very clear in the video about what was speculation and what was not.
 
I've found that arguing with people who think Zimmerman was found not guilty because of the stand-your-ground instruction is a hopeless task. Believe what you will. Like Rhett, "I don't give a damn."

You must think I'm either illeterate or retarded:

The jury instructions—and a reason for their verdict: Just because Zimmerman's defense team didn't bring up Stand Your Ground in the trial (more on that below), that doesn't mean the law was irrelevant to the jury's decision. To the contrary, Judge Debra Nelson made clear in the jury instructions (PDF) that they should consider the law:

If George Zimmerman was not engaged in an unlawful activity and was attacked in any place where he had a right to be, he had no duty to retreat and had the right to stand his ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he reasonably believed that it was necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.

And consider it they did. According to the most outspoken juror, known only as Juror B-37, Stand Your Ground was key to reaching their verdict. She told CNN's Anderson Cooper in an interview that neither second-degree murder nor manslaughter applied in Zimmerman's case "because of the heat of the moment and the 'stand your ground.' He had a right to defend himself. If he felt threatened that his life was going to be taken away from him or he was going to have bodily harm, he had a right."

Actually, Stand Your Ground Played a Major Role in the Trayvon Martin Case | Mother Jones
 
Because the Juror got it wrong. At no time did the judge give instructions on SYG, nor was it brought in as evidence at the trial. As I said he did not even go for a SYG hearing. I also have a feeling the juror meant self defense and it was a semantic slip.

I absolutely agree but as I already stated he was very clear in the video about what was speculation and what was not.

In fairness re stand your ground, it was mentioned in the jury instructions. Another thing mentioned in the jury instructions was an instruction relating if the jury found Zimmerman shot Martin accidentally. Of course, that was never a question. He shot him absolutely on purpose.

I completely agree that stand your ground had absolutely no bearing on Zimmerman being found not guilty. He didn't STAND his ground. The juror was mistaken. It is just as silly to think SYG resulted in the not guilty verdict as it is to believe he was found not guilty because the jury believed he shot Martin accidentally.
 
Because the Juror got it wrong. At no time did the judge give instructions on SYG, nor was it brought in as evidence at the trial. As I said he did not even go for a SYG hearing. I also have a feeling the juror meant self defense and it was a semantic slip.

See post #65.
 

SYG law covers all self defense in Florida (aside from Castle Doctrine). When someone says SYG was not involved, they are referring to specific statutes that are only found in SYG defense law and not standard defense law. That specific "or... forcible felony" was not relevant.

While SYG protocol was the reason Z was not arrested at first, there was nothing used from FL SYG that is not found in every self defense law in the country.

Perhaps you will understand it like this:

No one is claiming that self defense law was not part of the trial. They are referring to specific statutes within SYG (which covers all non-Castle self defense), which are unique to SYG self defense states and not part of the trial.
 
See post #65.

This is the same instructions basically for regular self defense...

If George Zimmerman was not engaged in an unlawful activity and was attacked in any place where he had a right to be, he had no duty to retreat and had the right to stand his ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he reasonably believed that it was necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.

It had again little to do with the actual SYG law. Either way it still boiled down to self defense. Even if SYG was not around, since he could not retreat anyway, he could use lethal force to defend himself.
 
Yes, of course... it's all Treyvon's fault why he's dead.

Now tell me, if you were a neighbourhood watch guy, would you still pack heat when you were told not to?

Possibly. As the coordinator of NW said, there really isn't anything wrong with it. As I say, the only real reason they advise against it is for liability reasons.

Also, would keep following a 'suspect' even though dispatch told you to stop? Since you seem to be so sure of what Trayvon should have done, I am sure you can offer insight as the Zimmerman's action.

I might. I might not. There is nothing wrong with him continuing to follow.... Although there is no proof that he did.
 
No, it does not. :doh

Are you not aware of the pre-existing genetic condition that many African-American have regarding Non-alcoholic fatty liver (NAFL)?



Non-alcoholic fatty liver: a common manifestation of a metabolic disorder


But hey, don't let that stop you...keep on pushing that thug fallacy, Buck. :applaud
Great. So, we've moved you from "no liver damage" to actually recognizing there is liver damage.

I love how you want to discount the most common cause, something we have evidence that Trayvon was involved in, to pick an unlikely cause.

But, that's up to you. At least you now realize there was actual liver damage.
 
This is the same instructions basically for regular self defense...

If George Zimmerman was not engaged in an unlawful activity and was attacked in any place where he had a right to be, he had no duty to retreat and had the right to stand his ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he reasonably believed that it was necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.

It had again little to do with the actual SYG law. Either way it still boiled down to self defense. Even if SYG was not around, since he could not retreat anyway, he could use lethal force to defend himself.

The judge's instructions in full were:

In deciding whether George Zimmerman was justified in the use of deadly force, you must judge him by the circumstances by which he was surrounded at the time the force was used. The danger facing George Zimmerman need not have been actual; however, to justify the use of deadly force, the appearance of danger must have been so real that a reasonably cautious and prudent person under the same circumstances would have believed that the danger could be avoided only through the use of that force. Based upon appearances, George Zimmerman must have actually believed that the danger was real.


If George Zimmerman was not engaged in an unlawful activity and was attacked in anyplace where he had a right to be, he had no duty to retreat and had the right to stand his ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he reasonably believed that it was necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.

 
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