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if pics tell us something

I won't/can't give you a "better view"... and that's the point here.

I don't know what kind of man he was, nor can I accurately guess.

you and me, we don't know the dude... neither of us can say what he was really all about.

the only thing i can say for sure is that his specif action ( the assault on Z) ultimately led to his death.... whether he was a thug or an altarboy is irrelevant.. his action is all that really matters.


that you don't feel i can't give an accurate description of the man character because i've never met him is entirely true.. but try to remember, you haven't met him either but here you are trying to tell us you know how he really was.
Well if Trayvon wanted anyone to have a better view of him he should have acted with alittle class then. Maybe he could have made a friend out of Zimmerman instead of a deadly enemy.
I have a nephew, meeting him you would think he was the sweetest teenager you ever met.
Clean cut, well spoken, smart. Also on probation for breaking and entering, just had to be sent to rehab for drugs, refers to his mother as "bitch". The same mother that talked his father into giving him a late model truck they were going to trade in.
You never know.
 
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And you left out being in possession of stolen property, and at 17 seeking a fire arm. I impeach his character and use these FACTs because many would think he should be adorned with our respect and honor. Many includes the loser in the white house who said it.

is impeaching his character necessary?.. or is impeaching his action on that night enough?

I guess i'm just confused as to why folks feel it's necessary to impeach his character... as far as i'm concerned his character is rather irrelevant.. good guy, bad guy, whatever.
if he was an angel.. fine by me..if he's a devil, fine by me too... the angel/devil chose to commit a violent felony against another man and it ultimately led to his death... that's what the facts say,
 
is impeaching his character necessary?.. or is impeaching his action on that night enough?

I guess i'm just confused as to why folks feel it's necessary to impeach his character... as far as i'm concerned his character is rather irrelevant.. good guy, bad guy, whatever.
if he was an angel.. fine by me..if he's a devil, fine by me too... the angel/devil chose to commit a violent felony against another man and it ultimately led to his death... that's what the facts say,
I think his character, drove many of his actions that night.
 
Well if Trayvon wanted anyone to have a better view of him he should have acted with alittle class then. Maybe he could have made a friend out of Zimmerman instead of a deadly enemy.

oh, I think we agree that this whole thing should have went down a lot different... a simple conversation between the men could have avoided one's injuries, and the other's death.
both Z and TM could have made choices that made for a satisfactory ending to the event...that goes without saying.

beyond that, I don't have personal opinions as to either mans character..I don't know 'em and ultimately, I don't care about either of them.
 
I feel compelled to point out his shortcommings since so many people including the president want to "honor" him. I don't honor thieves, and would be thugs who attack other people.


is impeaching his character necessary?.. or is impeaching his action on that night enough?

I guess i'm just confused as to why folks feel it's necessary to impeach his character... as far as i'm concerned his character is rather irrelevant.. good guy, bad guy, whatever.
if he was an angel.. fine by me..if he's a devil, fine by me too... the angel/devil chose to commit a violent felony against another man and it ultimately led to his death... that's what the facts say,
 
I think his character, drove many of his actions that night.

maybe so... maybe not.

let me ask you this.... is it a possibility that Z could have initiated the physical confrontation?
yes, i know we have no evidence of such a thing.. but I'm thinking it could have been a possibility.. maybe Z grabbed him or somehow accosted him in a fashion that left no physical evidence.
let's pretend Z grabbed TM by his hoodie and jerked him around or something ... would throwing the punch and breaking Z's nose been justified?... I think it would... I would definitely knock a mother****er out for grabbing me and jerking me around.

what would such a scenario say about TM's character then?
 
I feel compelled to point out his shortcommings since so many people including the president want to "honor" him. I don't honor thieves, and would be thugs who attack other people.

I can understand that... and I not on board with Obama wanting to "honor" him either... Obama, like me and you, doesn't know dick about him or his character...we don't know much about either guy.

none of us should honor or celebrate either man... it was a very unfortunate incident that ended badly and was , in my mind, easily preventable by either dude.
 
Yeah this "gang banger thug" was tattooed as well. One was on his right upper shoulder and showed praying hands with his grandmother’s and great-grandmother’s names the other one had his mom's name on his right wrist.
What a punk huh?
 
Well Thank God its a free country and I can criticize the loser in charge as much as I want.

Yeah, that freedom this is a double-edged sword.
 
Yeah this "gang banger thug" was tattooed as well. One was on his right upper shoulder and showed praying hands with his grandmother’s and great-grandmother’s names the other one had his mom's name on his right wrist.
What a punk huh?

I don't think we'd be having this sort of discussion if the media didn't lead us to believe TM was an innocent 12 year old boy like they did.

nothing wrong with tats and such, and i think some of the sentiments we see are a direct result to be being misled and flat out lied to about the guy.... the media decided we should see him as a sweet 12 year old victim, when in reality he was a grown ass 17 year old young man.. and not so "innocent and sweet".

I think it's a form of blowback.
 
maybe so... maybe not.

let me ask you this.... is it a possibility that Z could have initiated the physical confrontation?
yes, i know we have no evidence of such a thing.. but I'm thinking it could have been a possibility.. maybe Z grabbed him or somehow accosted him in a fashion that left no physical evidence.
let's pretend Z grabbed TM by his hoodie and jerked him around or something ... would throwing the punch and breaking Z's nose been justified?... I think it would... I would definitely knock a mother****er out for grabbing me and jerking me around.

what would such a scenario say about TM's character then?
All indications in his past and demeanor in court dosent tell me he is the sort to start a fight.
"Could" it happen that way? Sure.
 
Yeah this "gang banger thug" was tattooed as well. One was on his right upper shoulder and showed praying hands with his grandmother’s and great-grandmother’s names the other one had his mom's name on his right wrist.
What a punk huh?
My whole lower right arm is nothing but dead friends, family, dog tattoos.
Seeing as he had on a sweatshirt hoodie thing, I dont think Zimmerman saw any of Trayvon's ink.
 
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Let's be totally clear about one thing.

Even if both of these pictures were of Trayvon, neither tell us ANYTHING about his character or the events leading up to his death.

Millions of teenagers – white and black, male and female – upload stupid pictures of themselves trying to look tough, every day. All male teenagers pose as tough guys. All of them. Especially online.

CORRECTION: An earlier version of this post said the picture of the kid with a dartboard behind him was "definitely" Trayvon. It said the second picture may be Trayvon. Most media outlets are now using the picture with the dartboard as a picture of Trayvon, though some people question this. Also it's pretty clear now that the second picture is definitely not Trayvon.

Just So We're Clear: This Picture Says NOTHING About Trayvon Martin - Business Insider

But yet without a single picture, and knowing ZERO about him and what he's done in the past to help people, George Zimmerman is a racist young black kid killer.

Yyyyep.
 
But yet without a single picture, and knowing ZERO about him and what he's done in the past to help people, George Zimmerman is a racist young black kid killer.

Yyyyep.

l cant know if he is racist ,although he seems whiter than white

but he killed a child having no gun

this is teh fact......
 
That is correct. Most people can empathize with his parents. Its horrible to lose a child, but thousands are being lost every year and 93% of them killed are killed by others like them. Clearly not all kids are bad, but there is enough "hint" of material about TM to indicate he wasn't good and might have been really bad. To ignore those hints and have the loser in charge of this country say we should honor him does cause me to "blow back" and say WTF would we honor this person for - what did he do worthy of honor? By all appearances he attacked a community volunteer, hit him and in that volunteers mind was trying to kill him. And we should honor that - I find that repulsive. Like I said I reserve honor for those deserving like veterans, police officers, teachers, nurses and so many others - including volunteers. Not for a kid with a nice tatoo but a long list of issues that suggest he was not a good person.


I don't think we'd be having this sort of discussion if the media didn't lead us to believe TM was an innocent 12 year old boy like they did.

nothing wrong with tats and such, and i think some of the sentiments we see are a direct result to be being misled and flat out lied to about the guy.... the media decided we should see him as a sweet 12 year old victim, when in reality he was a grown ass 17 year old young man.. and not so "innocent and sweet".

I think it's a form of blowback.
 
Yes, and in El Paso Texas in 2012 a 17 year old killed a police officer - and the 17 year old had no gun either. So what is the point?

You don't need a gun to try and kill someone. There is very little evidence to produce doubts about GZ's accounting of that night yet,
I suppose over race, you discount it completely - so what do you have against half white Mexicans?


l cant know if he is racist ,although he seems whiter than white

but he killed a child having no gun

this is teh fact......
 
Yes, and in El Paso Texas in 2012 a 17 year old killed a police officer - and the 17 year old had no gun either. So what is the point?

You don't need a gun to try and kill someone. There is very little evidence to produce doubts about GZ's accounting of that night yet,
I suppose over race, you discount it completely - so what do you have against half white Mexicans?


there are hundreds kinds of cases regarding murder in the world ,it is easy to say a guy killed an officer without giving details ? it seems so!!!!!

he was killed because he was thought to be a potential burglar

how is he supposed to do it without gun ?

he was seen as a thread against teh security of the neighbourgood and followed by zimmer

this case doesnt seem so simple
 
when in reality he was a grown ass 17 year old young man.. and not so "innocent and sweet".

I think it's a form of blowback.
A 17 year old is still a minor child in Florida. The fictional stories about Trayvons character are knee jerk racist rhetoric trying to vilify the victim of racial murder.
None of it changes the fact that Zimmerman is a racist, profiling, prejudicial, murderer of an unarmed minor child.
 
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