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To Avoid Looking Like a Criminal, Don't Commit a Crime

keymanjim said:
It means that someday they will stop being lead around by their noses by the democrats and self imposed "black" leaders and start to think for themselves.
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Genetically not possible.
 
niff said:
You posted that "it's over and YOU were "moving on". Of course no one believes a word you say so why should we be surprised you're back putting up nonsense agin.
I'm waiting for you to post about how everyone got it wrong b/c the 'lawn sprinkler' did it.
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Hey!! Sharon is just as entitled as anyone on this forum to express her views post mortem. As we all know, moving on is hard to do...especially when we're emotionally invested in the outcome of this case. This verdict was a cliffhanger. There was no one on either side of the courtroom who considered their case a slam-dunk.

sharon said:
Maggie.. George Z was acting pretty thuggish that Sunday evening.
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I missed this, Sharon. He was an idiot of the highest order. There is absolutely NO WAY I would have gotten out of my car for any reason that night. While I don't think he's a thug, I think it's not unreasonable to think that, if he wasn't armed that night, he would have stayed in his damned car.
 
MaggieD said:
Hey!! Sharon is just as entitled as anyone on this forum to express her views post mortem. As we all know, moving on is hard to do...especially when we're emotionally invested in the outcome of this case. This verdict was a cliffhanger. There was no one on either side of the courtroom who considered their case a slam-dunk.



I missed this, Sharon. He was an idiot of the highest order. There is absolutely NO WAY I would have gotten out of my car for any reason that night. While I don't think he's a thug, I think it's not unreasonable to think that, if he wasn't armed that night, he would have stayed in his damned car.
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Yes.. If only he had stayed in his car.. I am sure every NW in the country is reviewing their protocols.. and every HOA has called their lawyers.
 
SheWolf said:
The same applies to the majority of white people. This issue has proven America is racially and politically divided, and the only racebaiters white people ever attack are black people and black leaders only.


It makes me wonder if MLK were here today if he would be called a racebaiter, misleading his people too.

I think a lot of people would.
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If MLK was alive he wouldn't have anything to do with 'race whores' like Sharpton.
If there was a present day MLK the Black race would be A LOT better off.
As it is they are committing racial suicide every time they don't stand up and actually DO something to help stop the endemic Black on Black daily murders and violence.
Every time a Black kid shows any sign of wanting to succeed in school other Blacks threaten and bullying and intimidate the kid into just giving up trying. That's disgusting and pathetic.
 
Playing the "if game" has little value.
What if TM had not make a snack run.
What if TM had kept going home.
What if , what if. Good lord, move on.

Yes, I imagine some HOA's are looking at NW programs.
What about non HOA neighborhoods with NW programs. You know it only takes one person to work with the police to start a NW program.
 
sharon said:
Yes.. If only he had stayed in his car.. I am sure every NW in the country is reviewing their protocols.. and every HOA has called their lawyers.
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Absolutely. If there's one most important thing that comes out of this that will make us safer, I think it's that. Use that horrible tragedy as a learning tool.
 
MaggieD said:
Hey!! Sharon is just as entitled as anyone on this forum to express her views post mortem. As we all know, moving on is hard to do...especially when we're emotionally invested in the outcome of this case. This verdict was a cliffhanger. There was no one on either side of the courtroom who considered their case a slam-dunk.



I missed this, Sharon. He was an idiot of the highest order. There is absolutely NO WAY I would have gotten out of my car for any reason that night. While I don't think he's a thug, I think it's not unreasonable to think that, if he wasn't armed that night, he would have stayed in his damned car.
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What we have here is illogic of the highest order. On the one hand (Sharon's) TM is a nice kid skipping home from the store with Skittles and on the other hand (Maggie's) TM is a thug so dangerous that GZ must remain in his car to prevent being severely beaten.

Either TM or GZ could have acted differently to alter the tragic outcome, yet we have no time machine, complete with an edit feature, to play out those possibilities. It was clear, at least to the jury, that GZ was justified in his use of deadly force, in self defense from TM's actions, based on the physical evidence and witness statements that were presented to them.

Sharon is indeed entitled to her opinion, even to ignore the findings of a jury trial, yet that makes GZ no more criminally at fault than either O.J. or Casey Anthony. I did not see the DOJ express any concern that a civil rights violation had occured in those other cases, even after O.J. was found civilly liable for wrongful death.
 
MaggieD said:
Absolutely. If there's one most important thing that comes out of this that will make us safer, I think it's that. Use that horrible tragedy as a learning tool.
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The best "learning tool" to come out of this is all the grannies and aunts who have had Black babies dumped on them by irresponsible Black parents is now instead of these care givers constantly reminding young Black men never to touch anything that doesn't belong to you (no very successfully) they are saying "remember the stranger might have a gun".
Ironically George has probably prevented dozens of young Black men from being killed. He ought to get a 'Peace Prize'.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
What we have here is illogic of the highest order. On the one hand (Sharon's) TM is a nice kid skipping home from the store with Skittles and on the other hand (Maggie's) TM is a thug so dangerous that GZ must remain in his car to prevent being severely beaten.

Either TM or GZ could have acted differently to alter the tragic outcome, yet we have no time machine, complete with an edit feature, to play out those possibilities. It was clear, at least to the jury, that GZ was justified in his use of deadly force, in self defense from TM's actions, based on the physical evidence and witness statements that were presented to them.

Sharon is indeed entitled to her opinion, even to ignore the findings of a jury trial, yet that makes GZ no more legally at fault than either O.J. or Casey Anthony. I did not see the DOJ express any concern that a civil rights violation had occured in those other cases, even after O.J. was found civilly liable for wrongful death.
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TTWTT, you have never ever EVER read a post of mine that said Trayvon Martin was a thug. In fact, you've read the exact opposite. I've stated over and over again that I myself got in more trouble than Trayvon Martin when I was his age. Shoplifting. Fighting. Ditching School. I was a tough little greaser who took no **** from anybody. I have never said TM was a thug.

I've also stated, at every opportunity, that the DOJ is on a witch hunt.

Now. You've assumed that my thinking GZ should have never gotten out of his car was because I thought TM was dangerous. No. Zimmerman should have stayed in his car because Zimmerman thought he might be a criminal. That is, after all, why he called the police.

If you had a daughter, and if that daughter made the same phone call GZ did, and then got out of her car and got the crap beat out of her? I guarantee, you'd be saying, "Why the **** did you get out of your CAR???"

Rant Off.
 
niff said:
If MLK was alive he wouldn't have anything to do with 'race whores' like Sharpton.
If there was a present day MLK the Black race would be A LOT better off.
As it is they are committing racial suicide every time they don't stand up and actually DO something to help stop the endemic Black on Black daily murders and violence.
Every time a Black kid shows any sign of wanting to succeed in school other Blacks threaten and bullying and intimidate the kid into just giving up trying. That's disgusting and pathetic.
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Let me guess...you're not racist...blacks are just easily manipulated, violent, and "culturally" discourage success.

Also...I wanna point out..."black on black" crime in reference to murders is just race baiting. The vast majority of murders involve individuals that know/live around/interact with each other. This country for the most part is segregated...over 80% of murders of white individuals are committed by other whites. So technically...don't we have a "white on white" crime problem?
 
MaggieD said:
TTWTT, you have never ever EVER read a post of mine that said Trayvon Martin was a thug. In fact, you've read the exact opposite. I've stated over and over again that I myself got in more trouble than Trayvon Martin when I was his age. Shoplifting. Fighting. Ditching School. I was a tough little greaser who took no **** from anybody. I have never said TM was a thug.

I've also stated, at every opportunity, that the DOJ is on a witch hunt.

Now. You've assumed that my thinking GZ should have never gotten out of his car was because I thought TM was dangerous. No. Zimmerman should have stayed in his car because Zimmerman thought he might be a criminal. That is, after all, why he called the police.

If you had a daughter, and if that daughter made the same phone call GZ did, and then got out of her car and got the crap beat out of her? I guarantee, you'd be saying, "Why the **** did you get out of your CAR???"

Rant Off.
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GZ gave us (and the jury) ample indication of why he chose to keep TM under observation (these ******** they always get away) - BTW, that observation of TM was advised by the police dispatcher.

Dispatcher

Just let me know if he does anything, ok?

Zimmerman

(unclear) See if you can get an officer over here.

Dispatcher

Yeah we've got someone on the way, just let me know if this guy does anything else.
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Transcript of George Zimmerman 911 Call - by Oliver Closoff - Newsvine
 
iliveonramen said:
Let me guess...you're not racist...blacks are just easily manipulated, violent, and "culturally" discourage success.

Also...I wanna point out..."black on black" crime in reference to murders is just race baiting. The vast majority of murders involve individuals that know/live around/interact with each other. This country for the most part is segregated...over 80% of murders of white individuals are committed by other whites. So technically...don't we have a "white on white" crime problem?
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Blacks make up about 13% of the population and commit about 50% of the violent crimes in the country. Keep your head up your bum. That way you don't have to see reality.
How many Blacks murdered other Blacks in Chicago alone during the trial? Oh that's right you can't read either from your vantage point.
 
niff said:
Blacks make up about 13% of the population and commit about 50% of the violent crimes in the country. Keep your head up your bum. That way you don't have to see reality.
How many Blacks murdered other Blacks in Chicago alone during the trial? Oh that's right you can't read either from your vantage point.
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When controlled for socio-economic status whites have the same violent crime rate as other groups. Why don't you share with me what you see as the reality. You seem to mention MLK then use "black on black crime" as though it's an anomaly. That it's just back individuals killing each other.

You mention murder rates as a proportion of the population but don't control for any other factor.

You're just regurgitating everything that gets peddled by the rightwing that creates the idea blacks are violent. Gee...and this whole thread is talking about "race baiters" that see the Trayvon Martin vs. Zimmerman trial situation as a symptom of that "be scared of blacks" mentality. Oh...while claiming some connection to MLK as if that fools anyone.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
GZ gave us (and the jury) ample indication of why he chose to keep TM under observation (these ******** they always get away) - BTW, that observation of TM was advised by the police dispatcher.

Transcript of George Zimmerman 911 Call - by Oliver Closoff - Newsvine
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Find the courage to think for yourself. It will serve you well. There is black. There is white. There is grey. See the grey. It will serve you well. If someone "tells you" to do something dangerous? Don't do it. IWSYW.
 
iliveonramen said:
When controlled for socio-economic status whites have the same violent crime rate as other groups. Why don't you share with me what you see as the reality. You seem to mention MLK then use "black on black crime" as though it's an anomaly. That it's just back individuals killing each other.

You mention murder rates as a proportion of the population but don't control for any other factor.

You're just regurgitating everything that gets peddled by the rightwing that creates the idea blacks are violent. Gee...and this whole thread is talking about "race baiters" that see the Trayvon Martin vs. Zimmerman trial situation as a symptom of that "be scared of blacks" mentality. Oh...while claiming some connection to MLK as if that fools anyone.
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Why don't you show us the "proof" for this bold assertion? I have found one study that tried to prove that theory yet could not. Bending their curve based on nearly everything, that they could think of, accounted for, at best, 60% of the difference:

http://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand/www/external/labor/seminars/adp/pdfs/adp_ajph.pdf
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Why don't you show us the "proof" for this bold assertion? ...
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It's a strategy ... you say some garbage hoping no one challenges it ... & hoping someone just repeats it ... the guy's probably a victim of it himself .
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Why don't you show us the "proof" for this bold assertion? I have found one study that tried to prove that theory yet could not. Bending their curve based on nearly everything, that they could think of, accounted for, at best, 60% of the difference:

http://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand/www/external/labor/seminars/adp/pdfs/adp_ajph.pdf
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I was looking at this study.

nf/poverty & crime/FEBRUARY

One thing about this study is it focused on a city with large populations of poverty stricken white and black neighborhoods. One idea is that poverty clustered in one area is one of the causes of why you see much higher murder rates in cities that are uniformly poor.
 
iliveonramen said:
When controlled for socio-economic status whites have the same violent crime rate as other groups. Why don't you share with me what you see as the reality. You seem to mention MLK then use "black on black crime" as though it's an anomaly. That it's just back individuals killing each other.

You mention murder rates as a proportion of the population but don't control for any other factor.

You're just regurgitating everything that gets peddled by the rightwing that creates the idea blacks are violent. Gee...and this whole thread is talking about "race baiters" that see the Trayvon Martin vs. Zimmerman trial situation as a symptom of that "be scared of blacks" mentality. Oh...while claiming some connection to MLK as if that fools anyone.
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Well then I'm looking forward to reading the 'links' that prove the 'control' group. Where is that 'control group' Uranus? Yes yes there are very poor areas in the country that are predominately White BUT remember in order for your theory to have any significance you are going to need a White control group that is statistically/numerically the same as say the population of inner city Detroit..that of course also must be similar in geographic size.
In other words your 'control group' theory is nonsense b/c you'll never find a 'White' control group living in the same density as any inner city in the world let alone the US.
 
iliveonramen said:
I was looking at this study.

nf/poverty & crime/FEBRUARY

One thing about this study is it focused on a city with large populations of poverty stricken white and black neighborhoods. One idea is that poverty clustered in one area is one of the causes of why you see much higher murder rates in cities that are uniformly poor.
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The obvious problem with that theory is that many rural areas have much higher poverty rates yet much lower crime/murder rates. Using only dense urban areas in this study tries to control for that, yet may simply prove that packing poor folks more closely together causes that increased crime effect. Trying to use any single factor is not likely to pan out - the closest, that I have seen is children raised by single parents and in low income "families" tend to commit much more crime.

Study: Crime rates linked to out-of-wedlock births

Latest Statistics on Illegitimate Births | National Review Online
 
ttwtt78640 said:
The obvious problem with that theory is that many rural areas have much higher poverty rates yet much lower crime/murder rates. Using only dense urban areas in this study tries to control for that, yet may simply prove that packing poor folks more closely together causes that increased crime effect. Trying to use any single factor is not likely to pan out - the closest, that I have seen is children raised by single parents and in low income "families" tend to commit much more crime.

Study: Crime rates linked to out-of-wedlock births

Latest Statistics on Illegitimate Births | National Review Online
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http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/bvvc.pdf

This is pretty interesting. It looks at violent victimization rates of African Americans with breakdowns by age groups. In table 1 it shows violent victimization rates broken down into urban/suburban/rural. Violent victimization of course is going to be higher than murder rates but the difference is pretty staggering.

Table 3. Shows robbery victimization by race and includes location of residence. It also includes household incomes.
In Table 5 it shows what race generally was aggressor in the violent crimes.

Edit: there's a lot of factors as you mention...but the more you correct for differences in Urban vs rural and poverty rates the more you see that being a poor person packed in with other poor persons is the most dangerous situation to live in.
 
Medusa said:
would he still be found innocent if martin was white

thats what l wonder
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Yes he would have been found Not Guilty if Martin was white.

That's what the evidence showed. GET OVER IT.
 
sharon said:
Yes.. If only he had stayed in his car.. I am sure every NW in the country is reviewing their protocols.. and every HOA has called their lawyers.
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Or, had Martin gone straight home via the public side walk vice trespassing on someone's property while he's casing the neighborhood.
 
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