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Re: Verdict reached - 07/13/13
OK... Listen up haymarket...
No he did not.
That certainly wasn't the case that night. When Martin ran and then turned south between the buildings headed toward his fathers house, he was out of sight of Zimmerman and it remained that way for 4 minutes. So if that were the case, he could have easily returned to the safety of his fathers house less than a 100 yards away, but he didn't. He instead hid out of sight and waited for Z to finish his call with the police and pass by, then confronted him.
Another reason we know that wasn't the case, is because he didn't call 911, call his father, or have his friend he was on the phone with call 911. Why do you think she thought nothing of it when the fight broke out and the phone went dead?
You can argue that getting out of his truck wasn't a very wise thing to do, but it doesn't justify him being violently attacked.
That is meaningless, because he was not leagally required to obay the dispatcher on the phone. From what is known, he did try and visually spot Martin, but did not advance in the direction that Martin dissapeared in, so he did not "follow" Martin from that point forward.
No, he was a man that offered his time and joined neighborhood watch because he wanted to help make a difference in his community. All the man tried to do that night, was try and keep an eye on Martin so he could direct police to him when they arrived.
Again, irrelevant... Nothing Zimmerman did was illegal or reckless.
Zimmerman's actions were not unreasonable, but Martin's were. Martin had no right to confront and assault Zimmerman, and if he would have just ended the fight instead of ignoring Z's screams and continuing the "ground and pound" beating, Martin would be alive today... Probably in jail for assault, but alive none the less.
Florida statutes 776.012, 776.013, 776.041 and all other applicable laws concerning self defense are HERE
Also, here are the judges instruction to the jury specifically on the issue of self defense, which makes it clear the standards the jury must use:
That right there is why he was found not guilty, and why this case should have never gone to trial in the first place.
You can find the laws that support those instructions in 776.012(1), 776.013(1), 776.013(3), 776.041
You really need to do a little leg work before arguing this case. There are several of us around here including myself, who followed this thing for 15 months and know every aspect of this case because we took the time to learn the law, study all the facts, and read all the witness statements and testimony.
OK... Listen up haymarket...
No he did not.
That certainly wasn't the case that night. When Martin ran and then turned south between the buildings headed toward his fathers house, he was out of sight of Zimmerman and it remained that way for 4 minutes. So if that were the case, he could have easily returned to the safety of his fathers house less than a 100 yards away, but he didn't. He instead hid out of sight and waited for Z to finish his call with the police and pass by, then confronted him.
Another reason we know that wasn't the case, is because he didn't call 911, call his father, or have his friend he was on the phone with call 911. Why do you think she thought nothing of it when the fight broke out and the phone went dead?
You can argue that getting out of his truck wasn't a very wise thing to do, but it doesn't justify him being violently attacked.
That is meaningless, because he was not leagally required to obay the dispatcher on the phone. From what is known, he did try and visually spot Martin, but did not advance in the direction that Martin dissapeared in, so he did not "follow" Martin from that point forward.
No, he was a man that offered his time and joined neighborhood watch because he wanted to help make a difference in his community. All the man tried to do that night, was try and keep an eye on Martin so he could direct police to him when they arrived.
Again, irrelevant... Nothing Zimmerman did was illegal or reckless.
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Zimmerman's actions were not unreasonable, but Martin's were. Martin had no right to confront and assault Zimmerman, and if he would have just ended the fight instead of ignoring Z's screams and continuing the "ground and pound" beating, Martin would be alive today... Probably in jail for assault, but alive none the less.
Florida statutes 776.012, 776.013, 776.041 and all other applicable laws concerning self defense are HERE
Also, here are the judges instruction to the jury specifically on the issue of self defense, which makes it clear the standards the jury must use:
"If GZ was not engaged in unlawful activity and was attacked in any place where he had a right to be, he had no duty to retreat and had the right to stand his ground and meet force with force, including deadly force, if he resonably believed that it was nessisary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or another, or to prevent the commission of a forcable felony. In considering the issue of self defense, you can take into account the reletive physical abilities and capabilities of both GZ and TM. In your consideration of the issue of self defense, you have a reasonable doubt on the question of whether GZ was justified in the use of deadly force, you must find GZ not guilty..."
That right there is why he was found not guilty, and why this case should have never gone to trial in the first place.
You can find the laws that support those instructions in 776.012(1), 776.013(1), 776.013(3), 776.041
You really need to do a little leg work before arguing this case. There are several of us around here including myself, who followed this thing for 15 months and know every aspect of this case because we took the time to learn the law, study all the facts, and read all the witness statements and testimony.
See warning at 1549. Thread closed.