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Interview with Black Intern on Zimmerman's Team

Ding ding!

Sarcasm duly noted.

I am just double checking because I find the statement to be such an oversimplification. Honestly it seems as if "right" leaning people are blind to the grey areas in life. Everything has be to reduced to a very simple good vs bad black and white pseudo reality or your heads explode. This IS a racial issue because of the history of bigotry and bias in this country. The media, on both sides, and spokespeople on both sides have clearly contributed to the circus show it has evolved into but it would have been racially charged regardless.
 
I can't answer for MaggieD, but yes, I am saying that.....

I already responded to MagggieD, if you are interested you can check the response posted to her.
 
Sarcasm duly noted.

I am just double checking because I find the statement to be such an oversimplification. Honestly it seems as if "right" leaning people are blind to the grey areas in life. Everything has be to reduced to a very simple good vs bad black and white pseudo reality or your heads explode. This IS a racial issue because of the history of bigotry and bias in this country. The media, on both sides, and spokespeople on both sides have clearly contributed to the circus show it has evolved into but it would have been racially charged regardless.

So any killing of one person of another person of a different race is a racial history because of the history of bigotry?

Or is it just any killing of a black person by someone who is not black?
 
Sarcasm duly noted.

It wasn't.

This IS a racial issue because of the history of bigotry and bias in this country. The media, on both sides, and spokespeople on both sides have clearly contributed to the circus show it has evolved into but it would have been racially charged regardless.

The ONLY thing that could be construed as racist in this trial was Trayvon calling Zimmerman a "cracka". Weird how that didn't come out until Rachel got onto the stand. The supposed racism that was attributed to George Zimmerman was manufactured to create a stir in the media.
 
It wasn't.



The ONLY thing that could be construed as racist in this trial was Trayvon calling Zimmerman a "cracka". Weird how that didn't come out until Rachel got onto the stand. The supposed racism that was attributed to George Zimmerman was manufactured to create a stir in the media.

Roger That!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Honestly it seems as if "right" leaning people are blind to the grey areas in life. Everything has be to reduced to a very simple good vs bad black and white pseudo reality or your heads explode. This IS a racial issue because of the history of bigotry and bias in this country.

We are not talking about very grey realities. We are talking about individuals lives. The end of one, and the future of another. The history of this country should have little to do with what we choose to do to an individual in a case like this. The rules should not change because of race. And as tragic as what happened to Travon is race has nothing to do with whether or not he put Zimmerman in fear for his life? Consider if Zimmerman was your brother or son. Would you be willing to sacrifice him on the altar of racial tension? Would you want it to be grey? Or would you be trying to find out what was right and what was wrong?
 
So any killing of one person of another person of a different race is a racial history because of the history of bigotry?

Or is it just any killing of a black person by someone who is not black?

Are you serious? That can't be a genuine question. But I will answer anyway. Race is a component of any crime between black and white people, especially a crime of this magnitude. That's the reality. Is it the ideal? No. It should not be present as we judge this case but IT IS and I understand it's presence. It is present because we can not be severed from our past. And because, unfortunately, racism is alive and well in this country.

I am inclined to believe that if this boy was white there would not be so many people defending Zimmerman so passionately. I am inclined to believe that the only reason they are so interested is because it IS racially charged and you don't want those black people getting away with their BS anymore. Look in the mirror and ask yourself a very hard question. If this boy was white....would you being some defending Zimmerman with such ferocity? How much would you care then?
 
Are you serious? That can't be a genuine question. But I will answer anyway. Race is a component of any crime between black and white people, especially a crime of this magnitude. That's the reality. Is it the ideal? No. It should not be present as we judge this case but IT IS and I understand it's presence. It is present because we can not be severed from our past. And because, unfortunately, racism is alive and well in this country.
Who is white?????


I am inclined to believe that if this boy was white there would not be so many people defending Zimmerman so passionately. I am inclined to believe that the only reason they are so interested is because it IS racially charged and you don't want those black people getting away with their BS anymore. Look in the mirror and ask yourself a very hard question. If this boy was white....would you being some defending Zimmerman with such ferocity? How much would you care then?
Who is white in this case at all???????????
Zimmerman....
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Regular White Dude....
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We are not talking about very grey realities. We are talking about individuals lives. The end of one, and the future of another. The history of this country should have little to do with what we choose to do to an individual in a case like this. The rules should not change because of race. And as tragic as what happened to Travon is race has nothing to do with whether or not he put Zimmerman in fear for his life? Consider if Zimmerman was your brother or son. Would you be willing to sacrifice him on the altar of racial tension? Would you want it to be grey? Or would you be trying to find out what was right and what was wrong?

People seem to have a hard time separating OPINION about what may have happened and what factors are an influence from what you believe a just verdict will be based on the evidence.

I am not condoning the inclusion of race as a factor in the trial I am merely pointing out that regardless of whether it should or should not be present...it is indeed present. My personal opinion is that this child is gone because Z wanted to play cop. He got carried away and brought a gun in pursuit of a kid armed with skittles and an ice tea. That is careless and reckless behavior IN MY OPINION.

The evidence in the case and what can and can not be proven and what the verdict is likely to be is an entirely different matter. It appears there may enough evidence to deliver a verdict of manslaughter but more than likely he will be acquitted.

However, not everyone that is acquitted is actually innocent. Remember OJ?

The grey area here is that Zimmerman is not the bad guy and Martin is not the bad guy. No one is the bad guy. They are two people who made some poor choices in a high stress situation. Unfortunately, Zimmerman's BAD CHOICES involved the use of a gun and resulted in the death of an innocent boy. (innocent because he was just walking home from the store)
 
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You posed the question about white vs black

Did I?

Or are you showing how much the struggle of white v. black is important to you.

I suggest you go back and find out what I really said.......
 
Did I?

Or are you showing how much the struggle of white v. black is important to you.

I suggest you go back and find out what I really said.......

Either way, the white vs black component is not present because of Zimmermans race. It is a component because we white guys run the system and I think ultimately demanding that Martin be treated with respect and fairness by the system is what was being asked for.
 
Either way, the white vs black component is not present because of Zimmermans race. It is a component because we white guys run the system and I think ultimately demanding that Martin be treated with respect and fairness by the system is what was being asked for.

And he was..... but evidence is evidence.... even if it makes the deceased look bad in the light of it.
 
People seem to have a hard time separating OPINION about what may have happened and what factors are an influence from what you believe a just verdict will be based on the evidence.

I am not condoning the inclusion of race as a factor in the trial I am merely pointing out that regardless of whether it should or should not be present...it is indeed present. My personal opinion is that this child is gone because Z wanted to play cop. He got carried away and brought a gun in pursuit of a kid armed with skittles and an ice tea. That is careless and reckless behavior IN MY OPINION.

There is nothing reckless about carrying a gun. He had a carry and conceal permit and it was a lawful action. In fact, it turned out to be a prudent choice since he felt he needed it to defend himself against the assault from Martin. The worst you can say about Zimmerman based on what we know is that he may have been a little over zealous in his role as captain of the Neighborhood Watch. But at the same sense, I can point to an incident that happened in my neighborhood about a month ago. My neighbor was broken into during the middle of the day, the neighbor on the other side saw it happening, called the cops and followed the perp in their car. The cops caught the punk immediately and our neighbor was basically the hero of the day. I don't see any reason to believe Zimmerman's motives were different. He was trying to be a good neighbor.

The evidence in the case and what can and can not be proven and what the verdict is likely to be is an entirely different matter. It appears there may enough evidence to deliver a verdict of manslaughter but more than likely he will be acquitted.

However, not everyone that is acquitted is actually innocent. Remember OJ?

The grey area here is that Zimmerman is not the bad guy and Martin is not the bad guy. No one is the bad guy. They are two people who made some poor choices in a high stress situation. Unfortunately, Zimmerman's BAD CHOICES involved the use of a gun and resulted in the death of an innocent boy. (innocent because he was just walking home from the store)

I'm so sick of Martin being referred to as innocent. Martin assaulted Zimmerman. People keep saying Trayvon was walking home from the store and got shot, as if Zimmerman walked up alongside him and blew him away in cold blood for no justifiable reason. Trayvon was on top of him and assaulting him. If Trayvon didn't make that incredibly bad and ILLEGAL decision, he would still be here today.
 
Plus, she was black.

Geez... you've made countless posts about race related to this case... and continue to do so. The media falsely injected the race card and at least one [NBC] is going to pay dearly. This has been more about Libs verses Cons and their ideology than anything else. As long as those like yourself continue to harp on this, then our country will stay divided.

On a personal note... a Black soldier saved my life in Vietnam but I didn't even think about his race. Only his courage, dedication to duty, and care for his brothers in arms.
 
Just got a phone call from a friend:

The turd-like newspaper New York Times, the quotidian Bible of the Black Racist Enabling DEM Gay/Lib scum had this on their Front Page:

A crowd of the Teen age Thug Trayvon Martin Female Sympathizers cuddling their infants in their arms purportedly showing the extent the emotional anguish these idiots are going thru with bemoaning the just verdict of Z's NOT GUILTY verdict !!!

I puked when I heard that........and, I am still puking.


I wonder how many times, if ever, these same idiots turned out in the streets cuddling their babes in their ams to bemoan the MONTHLY THOUSANDS of the TEEN AGE Black/Black, and Black/Non Black crimes across the Nation ?!?!?
 
There is nothing reckless about carrying a gun. He had a carry and conceal permit and it was a lawful action. In fact, it turned out to be a prudent choice since he felt he needed it to defend himself against the assault from Martin. The worst you can say about Zimmerman based on what we know is that he may have been a little over zealous in his role as captain of the Neighborhood Watch. But at the same sense, I can point to an incident that happened in my neighborhood about a month ago. My neighbor was broken into during the middle of the day, the neighbor on the other side saw it happening, called the cops and followed the perp in their car. The cops caught the punk immediately and our neighbor was basically the hero of the day. I don't see any reason to believe Zimmerman's motives were different. He was trying to be a good neighbor.



I'm so sick of Martin being referred to as innocent. Martin assaulted Zimmerman. People keep saying Trayvon was walking home from the store and got shot, as if Zimmerman walked up alongside him and blew him away in cold blood for no justifiable reason. Trayvon was on top of him and assaulting him. If Trayvon didn't make that incredibly bad and ILLEGAL decision, he would still be here today.


First of all, I'm not trying to take your gun so calm down. You guys are so ready to be ANGRY you read into things what you need to feed your pre-existing condition of rage. You are also so eager to find the black victim and the black population at fault that you don't look at the situation objectively or undertstand the difference between a moral argument vs a position on the lawfulness of Martin or Trayvons actions.


I understand that Zimmerman having a gun was not unlawful and I didn't say that carrying a gun was the reckless behavior. Following Martin, especially on foot was reckless. What if Martin had a gun? He would have gotten the jump on Zimmerman and Zimmerman would be a dead man. He is not a cop, he isn't trained in how to handle situations like this and while it was not unlawful to follow Martin it was unwise and I consider it reckless. I disagree with it being a prudent act. Think about it. What would happen if every time ANYONE thought they needed a gun they had one available to shoot someone with. Really?? Now that's what we call AN OPINION; yours vs mine. Not a debate about the lawfulness of carrying a gun or whether or not people should be ALLOWED their precious guns.

I also never said that Zimmerman was a BAD man. This is not the wild west. Life is not that black and white. Maybe if Z had followed at a safe distance and not pursued him on foot like he was filming a Bad Boys sequel they would both be alive today, maybe then....Z would also be a hero. You know, Z's life is pretty devastated by this too. This decision was imprudent not only because of the loss of T but because of the devastation it has caused Z and his family as well.

My comment about T was that on THAT evening he was innocent...he was not doing anything worthy of being followed with a firearm over. Z himself said T was walking through the neighborhood. Z DECIDED that T was "suspicious".

The use of the word justifiable in subjective in this situation and the verdict does not mean that Z is completely innocent it just means that the jury did not have enough evidence to convict him of the charges. Trayvon, according to the evidence, was on top of Z when Z shot him, that does not mean that Z didn't start the fight it simply means that at that point T had the upper hand and Z decided to shoot him.

You can not make the claim that Trayvons actions were illegal. It assumes the validity of Zs statement and we have no other witnesses to the moment the fight was initiated that can verify. The lack of testimony to challenge Zs statements does not make them true. It makes them all we have available to present in court and that is a wholly different matter. It is quite possible that, had he been alive to provide his side of the story, T would clam that he was standing his ground.

Separate fact of conjecture.
 
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Some of you might have noticed her sitting behind the lead lawyers on Zimmerman's side. She volunteered to help with the case.

[video]http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/us/2013/07/12/erin-mattingly-dnt-zimmermans-legal-intern.cnn.html[/video]

CRAZY!! I watched over half of the trial live and didn't notice the color of her skin in relation to the trial.
Gestalt moment. Thank you for the link.
 
CRAZY!! I watched over half of the trial live and didn't notice the color of her skin in relation to the trial.
Gestalt moment. Thank you for the link.

Exactly. I watched it just about start to finish and never noticed that at all. Some people are really ****ed up.
 
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