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The US Department of Justice Took Part in Organizing Protests Against Zimmerman

First of all, how do you know that the Feds weren't there? The article you posted argues that they had a BEHIND THE SCENES role not a role that would make them visible.

Second, I just went to the site of the DoJ's Community Relations Service and it describes itself almost exactly the way I assumed it would.

The Community Relations Service is the Department's "peacemaker" for community conflicts and tensions arising from differences of race, color, and national origin. Created by the Civil Rights Act of 1964, CRS is the only Federal agency dedicated to assist State and local units of government, private and public organizations, and community groups with preventing and resolving racial and ethnic tensions, incidents, and civil disorders, and in restoring racial stability and harmony.

USDOJ: Community Relations Service

They were there to keep the peace - aka prevent the riots that so many white people seem so afraid of. Unless, again, somebody can demonstrate that they were ENDORSING the rally, then this story is a non-issue.

Try listening to the audio from their community meeting - https://soundcloud.com/judicial-watch/second-shiloh-missionary - which facilitated the same group that laid siege to the Sanford PD for the purpose of demanding that Zimmerman be arrested and put on trial.

This isn't peace keeping. It's aiding and abetting mobs.
 
That stuff about "working marches, demonstrations and rallies" and "provide support for protest deployment" seems pretty clear. That comes from DoJ documents unless Judicial Watch is just flat out lying.

Cops "work marches" all the time.
Cops who are "working a march" receive support of various sorts for their deployment to the protest.

If your job is to be a "peacemaker" for community conflicts and tensions arising from differences of race, color, and national origin, what would it means if you went to "work a march"?
Do you think that protest deployment means deploying a protest instead of supporting the CRS crew who were deployed to "work the march?"
 
This is from one of the sources cited by JW

Trayvon Martin George Zimmerman Justice Department: Trayvon Martin George Zimmerman Justice Department - Orlando Sentinel
When civil-rights organizers wanted to demonstrate, these federal workers taught them how to peacefully manage crowds.​


There's a LOT of equivocation going on here with this issue.
Buy into if you like. There' no other reason to buy into than that you want to.

w/e
 
Try listening to the audio from their community meeting - https://soundcloud.com/judicial-watch/second-shiloh-missionary - which facilitated the same group that laid siege to the Sanford PD for the purpose of demanding that Zimmerman be arrested and put on trial.

This isn't peace keeping. It's aiding and abetting mobs.
The group that held the demonstrations is irrelevant to the question of whether the DoJ acted appropriately. The DoJ probably works demonstrations held by the KKK as well and I'm sure the audio from their "community meetings" is pretty hostile as well. The fact is that the first amendment exists and that these people had the right to protest. The only that it appears the DoJ was "aiding and abetting" was the peaceful exercise of the first amendment. Unless you have info that the DoJ ENDORSED the group, this story is, again, a non-issue.
 
Try listening to the audio from their community meeting - https://soundcloud.com/judicial-watch/second-shiloh-missionary - which facilitated the same group that laid siege to the Sanford PD for the purpose of demanding that Zimmerman be arrested and put on trial.

This isn't peace keeping. It's aiding and abetting mobs.

Absolutely. This crowd would have left there if they could have, and marched to Z, and strung him up right then and there....Disgraceful....
 
Its not on CNN its all over FOX....shocking


There are quite a few things that the MSM sources in this country refused to report on as of late that FNC picked up, and were born out to be true when the pressure got too heated...Benghazi comes to mind.
 
The PJ Tatler » Newly Released Documents Detail the Department of Justice’s Role in Organizing Trayvon Martin Protests



If any more evidence is needed that the Obama administration has hopelessly politicized the functions of federal agencies this ought to provide it. The Community Relations Service is supposed to provide mediation services, not take sides in a criminal case.

Dammit, this is the kind of crap you'd expect of some third world communist cesspit. We are watching these evil little creeps corrupt and debase our government.

yes, we need more evidence and please tamp down your hate a tad ... PJ Tatler is your source? Really?
 
yes, we need more evidence and please tamp down your hate a tad ... PJ Tatler is your source? Really?

No, PJM wrote the story, but the source of the information for that story comes from Judicial Watch, stemming from FOIA requests.
 
No, PJM wrote the story, but the source of the information for that story comes from Judicial Watch, stemming from FOIA requests.

thanks ... What do you know you know about Judicial Watch? I'd be careful with it as well, which is why I suggest getting more evidence/info, from more sources, before jumping to conclusions on this ...
 
First of all, how do you know that the Feds weren't there? The article you posted argues that they had a BEHIND THE SCENES role not a role that would make them visible.

Second, I just went to the site of the DoJ's Community Relations Service and it describes itself almost exactly the way I assumed it would.

The Community Relations Service is the Department's "peacemaker" for community conflicts and tensions arising from differences of race, color, and national origin. Created by the Civil Rights Act of 1964, CRS is the only Federal agency dedicated to assist State and local units of government, private and public organizations, and community groups with preventing and resolving racial and ethnic tensions, incidents, and civil disorders, and in restoring racial stability and harmony.

USDOJ: Community Relations Service

They were there to keep the peace - aka prevent the riots that so many white people seem so afraid of. Unless, again, somebody can demonstrate that they were ENDORSING the rally, then this story is a non-issue.

So many stories that are "non-issues"! So many instances in which we are expected not to believe our own eyes!
 
Cops "work marches" all the time.
Cops who are "working a march" receive support of various sorts for their deployment to the protest.

If your job is to be a "peacemaker" for community conflicts and tensions arising from differences of race, color, and national origin, what would it means if you went to "work a march"?
Do you think that protest deployment means deploying a protest instead of supporting the CRS crew who were deployed to "work the march?"

I guess it comes down to who people trust. A lot of people just don't trust the government any more. It has become very easy to believe that the feds were there to foment race riots and unrest.
 
yes, we need more evidence and please tamp down your hate a tad ... PJ Tatler is your source? Really?

Unless you have specific evidence that PJ Media is unreliable I suggest you cram your source biases high. PJ Media is at least as reliable as the NY Times and has a much better history with corrections as well.
 
This is from one of the sources cited by JW

Trayvon Martin George Zimmerman Justice Department: Trayvon Martin George Zimmerman Justice Department - Orlando Sentinel
When civil-rights organizers wanted to demonstrate, these federal workers taught them how to peacefully manage crowds.​


There's a LOT of equivocation going on here with this issue.
Buy into if you like. There' no other reason to buy into than that you want to.

w/e

buy into it?

how about you just cool your jets and stop finding every reason under the sun for why this needs no further investigation.
 
I guess it comes down to who people trust. A lot of people just don't trust the government any more. It has become very easy to believe that the feds were there to foment race riots and unrest.

yeah, that's why they have the same reputation ... give me a break :naughty - but you're right, it really is who people trust (after all, there are people who trust Beck, Limbaugh, and Palin) ... I simply said I didn't trust them, or judicial watch, and would wait until I had more evidence ... but let's be honest here ... these threads are filled with Obama haters who will jump on the slightest thing they hear, from wherever or whomever, to go after him, so forgive me if I'm cautious ...
 
Click on the following link, and read for yourself about Judicial Watch obtaining documents under the Freedom of Information Act and about what those documents said:

Documents Obtained by Judicial Watch Detail Role of Justice Department in Organizing Trayvon Martin Protests | Judicial Watch

Thanks, but I did read up on it ... we still don't know enough of the particulars to get too worked up ... I'll look into it some more before I make up my mind, but if in fact the DOJ participated in, or worse, helped to orchestrate protests, then I would agree with you that would be inappropriate ... But even then, I wouldn't paint the entire administration with the broad strokes others are painting it with ... from 2000 through 2008 we endured one of the worse administrations this country has seen ... imagine, lying outright to get us into a war and over 4000 of our young people dying as a consequence (as Cheney's company, Haliburton, made it's own killing at the expense of these soldiers and taxpayers) and hundreds of thousands of others also dying and for what? Forgive me if I tire sometimes reading posts by posters who were O.K. with that, but now have their panties in a bunch because the DOJ may have broken the law itself or otherwise acted inappropriately. The hypocrisy is a tad too much for me, as the Dems and libs are hypocritical from time to time. Cons have just made it an art form with this president.
 
Thanks, but I did read up on it ... we still don't know enough of the particulars to get too worked up ... I'll look into it some more before I make up my mind, but if in fact the DOJ participated in, or worse, helped to orchestrate protests, then I would agree with you that would be inappropriate ... But even then, I wouldn't paint the entire administration with the broad strokes others are painting it with ... from 2000 through 2008 we endured one of the worse administrations this country has seen ... imagine, lying outright to get us into a war and over 4000 of our young people dying as a consequence (as Cheney's company, Haliburton, made it's own killing at the expense of these soldiers and taxpayers) and hundreds of thousands of others also dying and for what? Forgive me if I tire sometimes reading posts by posters who were O.K. with that, but now have their panties in a bunch because the DOJ may have broken the law itself or otherwise acted inappropriately. The hypocrisy is a tad too much for me, as the Dems and libs are hypocritical from time to time. Cons have just made it an art form with this president.

Sorry, but IRS targeting political groups for harrassment, the Benghazi cover up, multiple government agencies involved in suppressing political speech of the President's opponents, going around Congress on numerous policies, accusing a reporter who was doing his job of criminal activity, bugging AP reporters, the NSA targeting Americans, throwing whistleblowers in jail, and on and on, and now this.

When called on these things the Obama administration employs several tactics. It rarely admits error. Instead, it depicts all critics as politically motivated; it denies allegations for months and then dismisses them as old news when they are shown to be true; or it makes the odd claim that because the president wasn’t the point man on scandals — such as with the IRS or media-intimidation efforts — he’s not responsible, so they’re no big deal.

It doesn't wash.

What do you suppose you'd be saying if a Republican president was doing all this?
 
Sorry, but IRS targeting political groups for harrassment, the Benghazi cover up, multiple government agencies involved in suppressing political speech of the President's opponents, going around Congress on numerous policies, accusing a reporter who was doing his job of criminal activity, bugging AP reporters, the NSA targeting Americans, throwing whistleblowers in jail, and on and on, and now this.

When called on these things the Obama administration employs several tactics. It rarely admits error. Instead, it depicts all critics as politically motivated; it denies allegations for months and then dismisses them as old news when they are shown to be true; or it makes the odd claim that because the president wasn’t the point man on scandals — such as with the IRS or media-intimidation efforts — he’s not responsible, so they’re no big deal.

It doesn't wash.

What do you suppose you'd be saying if a Republican president was doing all this?

this really does get tiresome from you cons, but I'll humor you ... In answer to your question, I'd be saying pretty much the same thing ... What has come out the Benghazi investigation that implicates the president? The IRS investigation? (But while we're on the subject, what are your feelings about Grand Theft Auto Issa?) ... How long has the NSA been doing what it has been doing? Just under Obama? Did he order it or simply chose not to stop it? But as a Libertarian, I take it you opposed the PATRIOT Act, right? Where were all the cons on these threads when the PATRIOT Act went into effect? You know, I'm not going to do this again ... instead, I'm going to write a post and have it ready for copying and pasting every time I get this "he's a corrupt tyrant" post from one of you cons.
 
They should not have been involved in such a case.

Emails Obtained via FOIA by Judicial Watch

You linked to 32 pages of documents.

Can you specifiy which of them leads you to state that they "should not have been involved".

I just skimmed through all 32 pages and what I see is a very measured and responsible response on the part of the CRS/CRB.

Two things I note from those messages:

1. The overwelming majority of them were written by members of the Miami-Dade Community Relations Board (primarially by one Amy Carswell). The Miami-Dade CRB is not affiliated with the DoJ's Community Relations Service. It is a department of the Miami-Dade county government. Only three or four of those messages were written by a DoJ CRS employee and nothing in any of those communications indicates either that the CRS should not be involved or that the CRS's involvment was of anything other than an advisory nature and focused on helping the M-D CRB maintain peaceful and responsible behavior during any protests.

2. Both the M-D CRb and the DoJ CRS advocate for peaceful action, they recommend "building bridges between diverse communities", they mention that it's unhelpful to "vilify another person (meaning Zimmerman) with unproven accusations and characterizations".

Everything in those documents points to the CRS/CRB trying to be the perfectly reasonable adults in the room at a point in time when the kids (the community of Sanford) could easily have gone off the reservations and started rioting or taking the law into their own hands.

The way I read it, these protests were going to happen regardless of whether or not the DoJ CRS got involved. All CRS's involvment did was help to keep the protests peaceful and protesters' behavior within the bounds of the law.

Seems to me that this iss only really an issue if you take an uneducated 30,000 ft. view and start screaming about "Barack Obama was a community organizer!!! The Obama DoJ caused George Zimmerman to be put on trial!!!!"

Once you actually read the documents and see how and where the CRS was involved you kinda just yawn and wonder how this made the news at all.
 
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yes, we need more evidence and please tamp down your hate a tad ... PJ Tatler is your source? Really?

If you don't hate what is happening to our country then there is something wrong with you.

Do you have specific evidence that PJ Media is unreliable? Let's see it if you do.
 
Five discussion pages about whether Judicial Watch is credible or not? The source documents are proof from the government's own word. Plus, the story is being widely reported. Five pages of trying to change the subject hasn't worked, it's time to call conservatives "racist." A much more reliable and typical way to win the argument.
 
You linked to 32 pages of documents.

Can you specifiy which of them leads you to state that they "should not have been involved".

I just skimmed through all 32 pages and what I see is a very measured and responsible response on the part of the CRS/CRB.

Two things I note from those messages:

1. The overwelming majority of them were written by members of the Miami-Dade Community Relations Board (primarially by one Amy Carswell). The Miami-Dade CRB is not affiliated with the DoJ's Community Relations Service. It is a department of the Miami-Dade county government. Only three or four of those messages were written by a DoJ CRS employee and nothing in any of those communications indicates either that the CRS should not be involved or that the CRS's involvment was of anything other than an advisory nature and focused on helping the M-D CRB maintain peaceful and responsible behavior during any protests.

2. Both the M-D CRb and the DoJ CRS advocate for peaceful action, they recommend "building bridges between diverse communities", they mention that it's unhelpful to "vilify another person (meaning Zimmerman) with unproven accusations and characterizations".

Everything in those documents points to the CRS/CRB trying to be the perfectly reasonable adults in the room at a point in time when the kids (the community of Sanford) could easily have gone off the reservations and started rioting or taking the law into their own hands.

The way I read it, these protests were going to happen regardless of whether or not the DoJ CRS got involved. All CRS's involvment did was help to keep the protests peaceful and protesters' behavior within the bounds of the law.

Seems to me that this iss only really an issue if you take an uneducated 30,000 ft. view and start screaming about "Barack Obama was a community organizer!!! The Obama DoJ caused George Zimmerman to be put on trial!!!!"

Once you actually read the documents and see how and where the CRS was involved you kinda just yawn and wonder how this made the news at all.

No, sorry. The President and Attorney General both set the tone of the whole thing when they came down on one side and expressed sympathy for Martin and the protestors. If the DoJ was involved in it at all then we all know what they were up to.

I do agree on one point, though. The protests were going to happen whether the DoJ got involved or not. I question, though, whether the DoJ's real role was to ameliorate the anger or gin it up.

Case in point: The DoJ CRS arranged for the safe transport of protestors to a city meeting. The protestors then barracaded the meeting and forced the resignation of the police chief.

Also: According to the Orlando Sentinel, The CRS ended up offering advice and assistance to the protestors. … The CRS was viewed by the protestors as a quietly protective, on-the-ground force, the Sentinel story makes clear.
 
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