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Day 12 testimony (Wednsday 7/10)

I think she was just shocked that the state didn't even seem to make any attempt the last few days....or the entire trial.

This is where private detectives *hired by defense counsel* start to dig and they will dig and bring in witnesses to refute character testimony

End game.....a hostile jury towards M
 
Don't think you need to explain what danger is to me.



The level of or absence of danger is irrelevant either way. It has nothing to do with the self defense claim at all nothing.

And some will perceive dangers where others will not. Get over it as we are all not robots and you don't speak for anyone but yourself.

That brings up another good point. For example, you may remember some posts back I mentioned that I was one of those stupid kids that almost lost my life being stupid. I actually broke my neck in a swimming accident. To this day, I know that if an attacker gets me into a headlock, I could be seriously paralyzed or even die. This was told to me by my neurologist and attending physician when I was hospitalized.

Therefore, if I was carrying a weapon and some drunk yahoo got me into a headlock just wanting to wrestle, I would have no choice but to take that as a threat on my life. Whereas, the next guy might not consider that to be life threatening at all.

The stand your ground law is subjective and open for far and wide interpretation. That makes it pretty complicated.
 
WTF?? I'd say I must be wrong, but I don't think so. Once a door is opened to character on Trayvon Martin, I think it's Katy! Bar the Door! Maybe that speaks to his real character....??

Edit: Turtle would know, but he's avoided these threads like poison.

No, you are correct. But I have heard other analysts indicate it appears the prosecution has just given up on the case. At the very least they sure seem to have given up their earlier contention that George was on top.
 
CNN aired an interview with SPD Chief (Lee). Basically, he claimed pressure from the city manager to arrest. Lee kept telling him there was no probable cause and an arrest can not occur. The city manager didn't care if the charges would be dropped, he just wanted the arrest.

He also said, and I believe he testified to the same, that he wanted the city manager to play the 911 call for the family one at a time, recorded or with a LEO. He refused.

While off topic...did he mean this guy?

City of Sanford : City Manager

now questioning racial motivations...?
 
What don't you understand? Maybe I can clear it up for you, I can write slow....

You don't have to write slowly, just coherently.
 
Just wish I could find some acceptable logic in your insistence on the importance of who "started it".

Also just wish I could find some fact base for your continually calling GZ a "effup".

I can accept GZ could maybe even should have made some better decisions that night. Gosh, I'd hate to have to examine my life in hindsight. I'd FAIL that bar.

I first "heard" of this case driving through Columbia SC. The radio station had two African-American "dj's". Without presenting any fact, they immediately when into an on air rage of "whitey killed a unarmed black kid". An aside, I'm abhorred that sentiment is still widespread in our Nation. I've not drilled into this case until the trial started. Sure I saw the headlines and heard comments. I wanted however, to view the trial, with as unobstructed mind as possible. The most important question I felt needed to be answered was, were GZ's actions first believable, and second legal.

My first impression as I started watching the actual testimony, was almost shock, the prosecution was putting on witnesses that in effect supported GZ's version of the events. Again, realize, I admit he could have made better choices, I admit there are expected inconsistencies, but the "core" of his recollection stands up to legal, factual examination. We may not LIKE it, we may not like HIM, but it stands up to rigorous legal examination.

As the trial progressed it became abundantly clear, this case should never have gone to trial. As more facts become known, we realize NON law enforcement officials, based more on "racial" components were responsible for this trial. TM is dead, that's a tragedy. GZ's life is forever negatively altered. Why? Not because he broke a law or COULD have made better decisions, but because of "race baiters". It's easy to say, so what, GZ deserves it, he's a douche. The question I ask is, if that's how you really feel, are you TRULY a compassionate person? Does having compassion for TM require that you have NONE for GZ??

It's fair to say GZ could have avoided all of this. It's also fair to say TM is alive today if he'd just went home. I've heard many say what if GZ followed your child. Well first of all, our children know if they are in an area they don't or haven't lived, and someone approaches them, if they are scared, KNOCK on the nearest door, SCREAM, make NOISE, call us, blow the whistle you have. Our children would never attack them. Of course than again we're probably considered paranoid by many, our children even at 17 won't be walking to and from the corner store at night, raining or not. In fact if our children had been expelled from school, they'd probably not be anywhere without one or both of us.

Was it logical, reasonable and legal for GZ to "notice" TM? Yes. Some say it was wrong to be suspicious of him. Difficult to imagine a <ahem> neighborhood **WATCH** that wouldn't notice.
Was it logical, reasonable and legal for GZ to get out of his vehicle? Yes. I know many who think GZ lied about all deviate here. That's opinion not based on law. It's valid but not relevant.
From here it gets murky. True only two people know the actual events and only one is still able to relate their version. However, that version holds up to the above mentioned examination.
If it happened in the manner of GZ's version, and there are no FACTUAL or LEGAL points that are provable beyond a reasonable doubt to disqualify GZ's version and he didn't break a law, I have to say put in the same position, I'd do the same.

Fair enough.
 
No, Zimm's self serving statements point to him being attacked, the evidence points to Z losing a fistfight.

Yes and the witnesses all saw Martin on top of Z pounding him. End of story. Your imaginary "what if" is worth nothing.
 
No, Zimm's self serving statements point to him being attacked, the evidence points to Z losing a fistfight.

another spanky lie.

not a single bit of evidence exists to show Zimmerman even clenched his fist, let alone engaged in a fight.

the evidence indicates he was assaulted.
 
What the jury saw was the State actually demonstrating the FACT that T was straddling George. What an incredibly dumb thing for the State to do. That demo will go into the next 'How to lose your case' for Dummies law book.
The State was supposed to plant 'reasonable doubt' in the jury's minds. Instead they did the opposite.
 
Yes and the witnesses all saw Martin on top of Z pounding him. End of story. Your imaginary "what if" is worth nothing.

In fact 2 witnesses put GZ on top of TM.
 
another spanky lie.

not a single bit of evidence exists to show Zimmerman even clenched his fist, let alone engaged in a fight.

the evidence indicates he was assaulted.

This is so funny since TM is dead.
 
another spanky lie.

not a single bit of evidence exists to show Zimmerman even clenched his fist, let alone engaged in a fight.

the evidence indicates he was assaulted.
This is so funny since TM is dead.
Not at all.
As the evidence shows, was shot, not struck with a fist.
 
Not at all.
As the evidence shows, was shot, not struck with a fist.

"...let alone engaged in a fight."

I think it funny that you don't include firing a handgun to be involved in a "fight".
 
"...let alone engaged in a fight."

I think it funny that you don't include firing a handgun to be involved in a "fight".
Do'h!
That specific act is of self defense, not a fight.
 
State's Witness 6 clearly puts Z on top of TM.

That would not be true.

Name: Jonathan Good - Witness 6

“John” is the name that he provided in the news interview (see video below), and he is the husband or (male companion) of Witness #17.

Witness Summary:

When he first walked outside, the Black guy was on top while they were wrestling. He could tell this because the guy on the bottom was a lighter color. The witness was looking out the window and yelling out the window telling them to stop. After the incident, he saw other people out there with flashlights. The guy who had been previously on top was lying face down in the grass. The one who had been on the bottom had his hands in the air. The guy who did the shooting said, “I shot the other guy in self defense. My gun is on the ground.”

He didn’t have his patio door open. He could only hear the helps with all doors and windows closed. He says he couldn’t tell who was yelling for help. He thought it was the person on the ground at first because his logic says that the person on the bottom would be the one yelling for help. He says he truly couldn’t tell who was yelling help. It was too dark. He didn’t see how it started or how it ended. He only saw when they were in an altercation on the ground.

Witness Jonathan Good (W6) Files: Trayvon Martin / George Zimmerman Case | AxiomAmnesia.com Presents They Always Get Away: Trayvon Martin/George Zimmerman Documents, Photos, Videos, Audio, and Articles
 
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