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Analysis: George Zimmerman Probably Won't Be Convicted....[W:174]

sharon said:
Do you want an idiot like George profiling your teen aged son for waking in the rain?
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Maybe you'd like to cower in a closet, or run, or just not get involved and let your neighbors get robbed, raped, or even killed, not me. I think Z was doing what he could to make his neighbors safe, and make the neighborhood a better place to live crime free. That is admirable. Too many like you don't want to get involved, or have a soft spot for criminals in their hearts, that makes them in my opinion a danger to the community, and not some one I want as a neighbor.
 
Oceandan said:
You choose the words, and the FACT you choose the words indicates you are NOT rational.

But let me expand. Are you saying, if your teen aged son/daughter feels as if someone is "profiling" them for walking in the rain, you're going to TEACH them to go confront the person and get in a fight?

That should turn out well, as it did in this case.
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George was behaving like a fool.. pretending he was a cop.. and there's no doubt in my mind that he was perceived as scary.. Other residents had been followed home by George and complained. Trayvon had no way of knowing that George was NW or that the police were on their way. But, idiot George knew.

Trayvon was not a ghetto or inner city kid. The school he attended was A rated.

There is NO evidence that TM ambushed George.. The more likely scenario is that George failed to identify himself and tried to detain TM... because George was angry and frustrated.
 
j-mac said:
Maybe you'd like to cower in a closet, or run, or just not get involved and let your neighbors get robbed, raped, or even killed, not me. I think Z was doing what he could to make his neighbors safe, and make the neighborhood a better place to live crime free. That is admirable. Too many like you don't want to get involved, or have a soft spot for criminals in their hearts, that makes them in my opinion a danger to the community, and not some one I want as a neighbor.
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George's neighbor .. who he also didn't know ... had been sitting in jail for 3 weeks for those daytime burglaries.

The men in my family carry guns... but they are responsible adults.
 
sharon said:
George's neighbor .. who he also didn't know ... had been sitting in jail for 3 weeks for those daytime burglaries.

The men in my family carry guns... but they are responsible adults.
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Oh, so you don't want to take away guns, you just want to decide who can, and who can't...Who the hell do you think you are?
 
sharon said:
George was behaving like a fool.. pretending he was a cop.. and there's no doubt in my mind that he was perceived as scary.. Other residents had been followed home by George and complained. Trayvon had no way of knowing that George was NW or that the police were on their way. But, idiot George knew.

Trayvon was not a ghetto or inner city kid. The school he attended was A rated.

There is NO evidence that TM ambushed George.. The more likely scenario is that George failed to identify himself and tried to detain TM... because George was angry and frustrated.
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Where do you get your information??? "the more likely scenario"?????? That's your LEGAL proof beyond a reasonable doubt? sharon you've been proved WRONG and fact less many times on this subject.

Trayvon was only in Sanford because he was REPEATEDLY expelled from school in .....*ahem*.....Miami!!! I believe, sharon, at least in the REAL world, "Miami" is inner city.
 
sharon said:
George's neighbor .. who he also didn't know ... had been sitting in jail for 3 weeks for those daytime burglaries.

The men in my family carry guns... but they are responsible adults.
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I believe you've time and time again demonstrated your definition of ............<shudder> "responsible".
 
Oceandan said:
Where do you get your information??? "the more likely scenario"?????? That's your LEGAL proof beyond a reasonable doubt? sharon you've been proved WRONG and fact less many times on this subject.

Trayvon was only in Sanford because he was REPEATEDLY expelled from school in .....*ahem*.....Miami!!! I believe, sharon, at least in the REAL world, "Miami" is inner city.
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Trayvon wasn't from Miami.. He lived in Miami Gardens.. which is a middle class area.
 
Oceandan said:
I believe you've time and time again demonstrated your definition of ............<shudder> "responsible".
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We don't kill unarmed teens walking home in the rain.
 
Trayvon Martin lived in a Middle Class suburban neighborhood (his mother earned $70,000 a year) and did not attend an inner city school. Dr. Michael Krop High School is an A rated school. Carol City had a magnet program for legal studies. The color of Trayvon's skin did not mean he was in the inner city.

Dr. Michael M. Krop High School
 
sharon said:
We don't kill unarmed teens walking home in the rain.
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Once again intellectually DISHONEST representation. If said teen confronted you, broke your nose, pounded your head on concrete during an EYE witness account of an "MMA style ground and pound" and you didn't use any force necessary to END the assault, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE stay FAR FAR FAR from me and my family.
 
sharon said:
We don't kill unarmed teens walking home in the rain.
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Unless they break your nose, knock you to the ground, mount you, pin you down and continue to attack you. It is those tiny details, that make skipping down the sidewalk different from aggravated assault/battery. ;)
 
sharon said:
Trayvon Martin lived in a Middle Class suburban neighborhood (his mother earned $70,000 a year) and did not attend an inner city school. Dr. Michael Krop High School is an A rated school. Carol City had a magnet program for legal studies. The color of Trayvon's skin did not mean he was in the inner city.

Dr. Michael M. Krop High School
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You were right on this point I was wrong. Doesn't change the fact he was expelled numerous times from same school and sent to Sanford due to his mother believing she could not control him.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Unless they break your nose, knock you to the ground, mount you, pin you down and continue to attack you. It is those tiny details, that make skipping down the sidewalk different from aggravated assault/battery. ;)
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George's behavior was very menacing and suspicious. He patrolled the neighborhood in his car with his lights off or on foot with his two dogs most nights.. with some of his NEN calls as late as 2 AM.. He would certainly have scared me with such stupid behavior.
 
Oceandan said:
You were right on this point I was wrong. Doesn't change the fact he was expelled numerous times from same school and sent to Sanford due to his mother believing she could not control him.
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Trayvon was "kicked out" for two weeks.. Read the texts...
 
Oceandan said:
Where do you get your information???
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sharon seems to be digesting, and formulating her opinion based solely on the media that agrees with her preconceived notions of what happened that night, coupled with an already cemented judgement of Z without ever hearing anything more than spin from MSM sources that sensationalized the case early on for ratings.

A recent Pew Center study on the media’s handling of the Martin case found substantial differences in the way the story was reported between cable news outlets. For example, between March 19 and March 28, MSNBC devoted nearly half of its airtime discussing the case. The most popular topics of discussion were Florida’s Stand Your Ground law and the city of Sanford’s questionable racial history.

Fox News, on the other hand, devoted only 15 percent of its airtime to the case and most stories focused on Martin’s past, statements in Zimmerman’s defense and the media’s handling of the story. According to the study, CNN, which spent 40 percent of its time covering the story, offered the most balanced reporting on the case.

The study did not address the instances of incorrect or even outright fraudulent reporting on the part of the media. CNN was forced to correct its initial reporting that Zimmerman uttered “f—ing coon” on his 911 call after an improved audio revealed he most likely uttered “it’s f—ing cold,” referring to the weather. NBC fired a producer after conservative bloggers caught the network airing a selectively edited 911 tape which created the false impression that Zimmerman’s confrontation with Martin was racially motivated.

Fortunately, the jurors who will decide Zimmerman’s fate will only hear the established facts of the case as determined by Florida’s rules of evidence, without any spin or manipulation. However, one still has to wonder how the extensive, and often unsubstantiated and biased, media coverage of the killing will influence the jury. Thanks to the media, It seems just about everyone in America now has some preconceived notions of what happened that night in Sanford.

Pew Study Illustrates Media Bias in Trayvon Martin Case
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sharon said:
George's behavior was very menacing and suspicious. He patrolled the neighborhood in his car with his lights off or on foot with his two dogs most nights.. with some of his NEN calls as late as 2 AM.. He would certainly have scared me with such stupid behavior.
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Again, you come up with stuff not related to the actual situation. It was not 2AM and GZ did not have dogs with him. If your reaction to being afraid is to launch a preemptive attack, then you better be capable of elimitinating that "threat" quickly or you will end up just as TM did - shot dead for brutally attacking an armed person.
 
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ttwtt78640 said:
Again, you come up with stuff not related to the actual situation. It was not 2AM and GZ did not have dogs with him. If your reaction to being afraid is to launch a preemptive attack, then you best be capable of elimitinating that "threat" quickly or you will end up just as TM did - shot dead for brutally attacking an armed person.
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He patrolled most nights with his gun, flashlight and dogs. You don't find that weird?

There was no threat.. just a kid caught in the rain.
 
sharon said:
Trayvon was "kicked out" for two weeks.. Read the texts...
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"Dear Mr. Martin. We are "kicking" you out off school for the third time this year". Ya right. Be fun to read the school's "kicking out" letters to our little Black cherub.
When a rat like DA jumps off this stinking dead horse it's time for the last two 'T-Boners' here to do the same.
Crump and his new 'para-legals' DD and 'Rev. Al. would have done a better job than Bernie and Co. did. All they were missing was the OJ Pros. woman.
 
sharon said:
He patrolled most nights with his gun, flashlight and dogs. You don't find that weird?

There was no threat.. just a kid caught in the rain.
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What I find weird is your insistance that TM was correct in choosing to attack GZ, yet GZ was not correct in using whatever force was at hand to protect himself from that attack.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
What I find weird is your insistance that TM was correct in choosing to attack GZ, yet GZ was not correct in using whatever force was at hand to protect himself from that attack.
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Because George claims he was attacked?
 
sharon said:
Trayvon wasn't from Miami.. He lived in Miami Gardens.. which is a middle class area.
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Uh huh....

The city violent crime rate for Miami Gardens in 2010 was higher than the national violent crime rate average by 138.67% and the city property crime rate in Miami Gardens was higher than the national property crime rate average by 66.98%.

In 2010 the city violent crime rate in Miami Gardens was higher than the violent crime rate in Florida by 77.64% and the city property crime rate in Miami Gardens was higher than the property crime rate in Florida by 38.05%.

Miami Gardens Crime Statistics: Florida (FL) - CityRating.com
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Dade's most dangerous ZIP for teens
Miami Herald, The (FL)
August 12, 2007

The deadliest ZIP Code for teenagers in Miami-Dade County is a place where boys play ball on the street, other children ride their bikes up and down sidewalks, and teenagers congregate on the neighborhood wall.

The placid scene belies the tragic reality of ZIP Code 33054, which includes parts of Opa-locka and Miami Gardens. A review of five years of statistics from the Miami-Dade County Medical Examiner's Office shows a higher rate of gunshot deaths among children 17 and younger in this area than in any other part of the county.

The ZIP Code is bordered by Northwest 167th Avenue to the north, Northwest 119th Street to the south, and West Fourth Avenue in Hialeah to Northwest 17th Avenue, west to east. The tragic incidents of teen violence are part of a broader story in the larger Miami-Dade communities, long plagued by violence. In one week in July, the county medical examiner's office had five homicide victims from Miami Gardens alone, including a 19-year-old man gunned down in a double homicide.

One in 10 homicide victims in Miami-Dade are teenagers, said Larry Cameron, a spokesman with the office. There were 258 homicides in Miami-Dade County last year. Cameron said current homicide trends suggest that Miami-Dade could end the year with almost as many. "Twenty-six of them will be teenagers," Cameron predicted. "Almost all of them will be gunshots."

Founded in 2003, Miami Gardens is only 22 square miles. The young city acknowledges its problems, and Miami Gardens Mayor Shirley Gibson, a former Miami-Dade police officer, says the city is trying to implement programs to help youths in the community.

"We are working on interaction, bringing people together. We are trying to link hands between adults and teens," Gibson said. "It's not just a children problem, a youth problem. It's an adult problem."

Adding to the concern is the recent number of high-profile shootings, especially in the Miami Gardens area.

In June, Darnarius Green, 16, was shot and killed. His crumpled body was left in Bunche Park on the Miami Gardens side of 33054. Darnarius reportedly had played high school football and was trying to escape his troubled youth by moving to a high school in a statistically safer district.

On Aug. 6, 2006, 17-year-old Otissha Burnett was shot to death at a party in the 1500 block of Northwest 31st Avenue on the Miami Gardens side. Today the nondescript home where Otissha died shows no signs of violence. Its lawn is well groomed and full of cars.

Miami Gardens (a war zone???) (Hialeah, Carol City: high crime, credit, houses) - Broward County - Page 2 - City-Data Forum
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You were saying?
 
sharon said:
Because George claims he was attacked?
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Yep. That and the fact that several witnesses saw the "alleged" attack, GZ suffered several injuries and TM did not, save for a single fatal ghunshot wound to end that attack.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Yep. That and the fact that several witnesses saw the "alleged" attack, GZ suffered several injuries and TM did not, save for a single fatal ghunshot wound to end that attack.
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Nobody saw the attack or what lead up to it.
 
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