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Day 4 testimony [W:162]

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AlfredENeuman said:
She has a very limited set of facts that are backed up by the physical evidence. She heard him being chased, the NEN call tracks that precisely. She heard them talk to each other, that's backed up by witnesses.

I ask you: is there any concern that she could have been given a script to recite? Would a person like her be able to memorize a script and keep it consistent over a year?

She's being very truthful here, just with great difficulty in handling something like this. West isn't doing anything but badgering her. Her story is consistent.

People who are heaping abuse on her on message boards are the ones operating on emotion, not me.
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She testified to hearing Trayvon running. That isn't the same as him being chased. In fact, her testimony indicates that Zimmerman was still in the car and that Martin was moving to avoid being observed.
 
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At least he got her to admit she doesn't know if Travon had gotten hit and that it was just her assumption.
 
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AlfredENeuman said:
She has a very limited set of facts that are backed up by the physical evidence. She heard him being chased, the NEN call tracks that precisely. She heard them talk to each other, that's backed up by witnesses.

I ask you: is there any concern that she could have been given a script to recite? Would a person like her be able to memorize a script and keep it consistent over a year?

She's being very truthful here, just with great difficulty in handling something like this. West isn't doing anything but badgering her Her story is consistent.

People who are heaping abuse on her on message boards are the ones operating on emotion, not me.
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That's his freaking job as defense counsel

Specifically....is what, we call...*a positive shakedown*
 
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Grim17 said:
She has lied and given conflicting versions of events, so the defense has a duty to their client to explore everything about her statements.
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Yes I understand and agree she should be accountable for her different versions and probable lies. It's shameful the way she's been exploited by the family and state which is now backfiring on them.... and this is likely the best witness the prosecution has to offer. Assuming so... the state's dead in the water.
 
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Paperview said:
It appears she obviously has a likely congenital medical condition of some form. Notice her mouth, tongue, overbite, and unusually large neck.

This was posted by dolphin, who *think* is a nurse.

"From my perspective, Ms Jeantel appears to have some form of macroglossia, i.e. an unusually large tongue, possibly congenital, that caused her to have speech impediment.

That's why most people would find her speech slurred and hard to understand. Most people would also have the impression that she is flippant, frustrated and slow up stairs. People also want to make fun of her being too old for high school.

But, when you have speech impediment and slow to express your thought and idea in a society that expects you to catch up like everybody else, unlike regular non-impaired kids who have no problem ...

That's why she tends to get frustrated with with long circular defense questions designed to ensnare her. And that's why she tends to avoid emotional situation where she was expected to tell her long story that she knows she couldn't handle in one long breath.

People [with her condition] are usually very direct, straightforward and simple in their thought and expression."
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Didn't know that but it now make sense. Interesting.
 
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Grim17 said:
What people may not realize is this witness compared to the others thus far, is a friend of Martin and has motivation to lie. Therefore her testimony has to be examined very extensively.
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And Z doesn't, so his testimony must be accepted at face value?
 
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Compatibilist said:
Yes I understand and agree she should be accountable for her different versions and probable lies. It's shameful the way she's been exploited by the family and state which is now backfiring on them.... and this is likely the best witness the prosecution has to offer. Assuming so... the state's dead in the water.
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Why doesn't the Court request a tape of the phone call from NSA. It's certainly on file. That's what the huge hard drive servers are for. It is public property, isn't it?
 
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Here we go again... This witness is a friken judicial nightmare
 
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MaggieD said:
Her testimony changed from one deposition to another. "Why are you following me?" First testimony under oath: "What are you talking about?" Second testimony under oath: "What are you doing here?" That is a salient point.

She was asked during a recorded interview if she thought GZ's actions were racially motivated, she said she thought it was. That portion of the interview is missing from the transcript. That is a salient point,

When asked WHY she thought it was racially motivated, she replied, paraphrased, "Because GZ was white." Another salient point.

When the state is trying to say GZ had a depraved mind . . . a total disregard for human life . . . her testimony is crucial. She is slowly being found incredible, in my opinion.
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I think ANY lawyer could make her sound incredible.

Even if she was telling gods truth.

Depraved mind also includes mistakenly identifying someone. Being SURE they are a criminal or the guy who shot you pa, only they weren't.

I don't buy murder two, but I think that's the angle they are going with, that Z believed that M was one of the burglars and he was going to make sure he didnt get away THIS TIME.
 
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buck said:
If she lied about all these items to help the mother and not hurt her feelings what else did she lie about? That's really the point of the questioning. Help the jury make the decision that they can't believe a thing she says and theyjust ignor (or put little weight) to all of her testimony.
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Z has the same hazard.
 
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buck said:
If she lied about all these items to help the mother and not hurt her feelings what else did she lie about? That's really the point of the questioning. Help the jury make the decision that they can't believe a thing she says and theyjust ignor (or put little weight) to all of her testimony.
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If everybody told everybody the whole truth 100% of the time our world would come crashing down.

We wouldn't have anybody squawking aboit who can marry who because no marriage would survive. "Do these jeans make me look fat?"

Telling Ms mom she had to go to the doctor instead of that she didn't want to go and see Ms body is the kind of small kindness white lie that makes the world go around. Conflating white lies with being dishonest overall is lawyerly assholery.
 
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DaveFagan said:
Why doesn't the Court request a tape of the phone call from NSA. It's certainly on file. That's what the huge hard drive servers are for. It is public property, isn't it?
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Not sure what NSA means but both state/defense are going to bring in everything the court allows which is helpful for their case. I can tell you this... the Judge is definitely on board for the prosecutors. You can easily see that based on most of her rulings including objections. Sustained for Pros and overruled for Def. I'd like to see some stats on that.
 
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Paperview said:
Beat up on Rachel all you like.


There is no doubt she is a physically, emotionally and mentally challenged teenager who is obviously frustrated to be thrown into the world-wide spotlight, having lost a dear friend to a killer and having to contend with a mendacious and persnickety asshat of a trial lawyer

-- who is representing her lost friend's killer -- in what is now her third encounter, the first being a deposition which she was subpoenaed, was there as called, and waited at least 6 hrs before they cancelled without notice.

She's not on trial. Zimmerman is.

If it brings joy to ridicule her, go for it.
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So you admit that the case rest on the testimony of a half wit that thinks " creepy cracker" is not a racial slur. May as well let Zim go now.
 
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Wow, just tuned into this chick's testimony after reading the thread.

Zero credibility in my opinion.

She can't recognize her own voice or what she said? She hears something different now than what she heard last time she listened to the recording? Covering her face, copping an attitude, acting all pissy and put upon because the defense is asking her questions, can you imagine, questions (like she was expecting something else)?

No.

You have to want to belive that Zimmerman is guilty, more than you want the truth to come out, in order to give this woman's testimony any credence at all.

Mind you, I'm not saying Zimmerman is innocent. Maybe he is, maybe he isn't.

But if I was on the jury?

I already flipped the switch and wrote this wittness off as full of ****.

If the prosecution brings real evidence into the courtroom someone please IM me.

If it's just an endless parade of racist ghetto skanks who can't remember what they said last but insist that the "cracker" must be guilty because he's white and a black kid is dead?

LOL
 
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What if...? said:
I think ANY lawyer could make her sound incredible.

Even if she was telling gods truth.

Depraved mind also includes mistakenly identifying someone. Being SURE they are a criminal or the guy who shot you pa, only they weren't.

I don't buy murder two, but I think that's the angle they are going with, that Z believed that M was one of the burglars and he was going to make sure he didnt get away THIS TIME.
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The problem with that is, Zimmerman didn't say he believed that Martin was one of the burglars or that he matched the description of one of them. In his past calls (which we heard yesterday) when a person matched the description, he said so. He stated Martin was acting suspiciously, not that he had broken into any houses or that he suspected him of such... Then you assert/imply that he decided to confront and detain Martin, but the other calls to police that were played yesterday make it clear that Zimmerman has/had no desire to confront the people he finds suspicious, or get involved in any other way than to merely call police to check things out.

If you would pay attention to testimony, you would realize that it contradicts the fantasy scenario that you are trying to create.... Now back to the TESTIMONY.
 
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AlfredENeuman said:
Witnessing a bunch of adults here and elsewhere making fun of a learning disabled young lady
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What evidence do you have that she has a learning disability? Lots of adults are illiterate because of many different factors.
 
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Grim17 said:
The problem with that is, Zimmerman didn't say he believed that Martin was one of the burglars or that he matched the description of one of them. In his past calls (which we heard yesterday) when a person matched the description, he said so. He stated Martin was acting suspiciously, not that he had broken into any houses or that he suspected him of such... Then you assert/imply that he decided to confront and detain Martin, but the other calls to police that were played yesterday make it clear that Zimmerman has/had no desire to confront the people he finds suspicious, or get involved in any other way than to merely call police to check things out.

If you would pay attention to testimony, you would realize that it contradicts the fantasy scenario that you are trying to create.... Now back to the TESTIMONY.
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"These assholes, they always get away"~George Zimmerman
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So anyone walking down the street not committing a crime...get away? :confused:
 
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Grim17 said:
I haven't heard of anyone claiming this girl to be "disabled"... As far as I can see, she is simply uneducated.
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Assuming someone has a cognitive disability with zero evidence is really, really stupid.
 
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Her "bitch" attitude isn't helpful for the state.
 
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I agree. I don't like seeing anybody targeted or attacked. Zimmerman had been targeted enough, his life is most likely over even if he walks.

This girl had to testify. She shouldn't be targeted or unfairly attacked either.

I hope I am never witness. This is a circus.

lizzie said:
The problem is, this is a legal trial, and should be determined based on facts, and not on feelings.
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