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The jewelry found in Trayvons possession. [W:242]

Excon said:
We all know ™ was found to have jewelry and a screw driver when apprehended for vandalism at his school.
We all pretty much know ™ wouldn't answer to whom it belonged.

sharon was saying it was costume jewelry.

What we didn't know is exactly what was found.



So here is the list.
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(Original credit to Sundance at the CTH for finding out through a FOIA request.)

In document at Scribe. Page 101 and 102. Also listed just before that in individually entries.
Trayvon Martin MDSPD Reports - Tagle Attachment pgs 90-102


Do you really believe it wasn't stolen?
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I can't help but notice that both forms look similar and yet Sundunce has intentionally zoomed in on the property description of the first form so that the "value" column is not visible.

I'm gonna take a wild guess and say the reason is because it also all says $0.0.

So, with out an actual valuation, Sharon may in fact still be correct.
 
Mathematician said:
Get used to it. The history of a person should play a role in the credibility of testimony. If TM was an all-around hoodlum then it should come out to assess the likelihood that TM was acting suspicious that night. Those who were trying to say he was a good kid deserve to have this information thrown in their faces.
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Glad you agree that Zimmerman's lies about his indigency, his multiple passports, his history of violence against women, officers of the law, and his sexual assault of his underage cousin for over a decade should all be admitted.
 
Stardog said:
I can't help but notice that both forms look similar and yet Sundunce has intentionally zoomed in on the property description of the first form so that the "value" column is not visible.

I'm gonna take a wild guess and say the reason is because it also all says $0.0.

So, with out an actual valuation, Sharon may in fact still be correct.
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LOL - and you're right. . . it's all listed as $0.0 . . . that is funny.
 
Stardog said:
I can't help but notice that both forms look similar and yet Sundunce has intentionally zoomed in on the property description of the first form so that the "value" column is not visible.

I'm gonna take a wild guess and say the reason is because it also all says $0.0.

So, with out an actual valuation, Sharon may in fact still be correct.
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Then you did not go to the links as he did no such thing.
Those are my images that I took to inform the readers of what was found.

There is no value listed for any of them.
And there is nothing to infer from that as it was listed as found.
The police are not in the business of valuation. Unless given to them by the victim, it usually isn't listed.
But it is funny that you have pointed it out as if it means something. :doh :lamo iLOL



And since this was all part of the school and Police purposely falsify the stats, you don't even have an arrest.


And no sharon really wouldn't be correct.
Costume jewelry, some broken, with a burglary tool.
Yeah sure, she could be correct. In some alternative universe when Trayvon was a theater actor or tech.

Gold/gold/silver/diamonds.
 
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Excon said:
The OP never said it was material to the trial, did it?
It asked a specific question.
Were you not paying attention to what was asked?
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If it's not material to the trial, it really doesn't matter here does it? Are you going to treat us to an analysis of whose penis was bigger too? It's not material to the trial either. Did Z have vanity plates, and if so what did they say? Who cares!
 
rocket88 said:
If it's not material to the trial, it really doesn't matter here does it? Are you going to treat us to an analysis of whose penis was bigger too? It's not material to the trial either. Did Z have vanity plates, and if so what did they say? Who cares!
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So what you are saying that you didn't pay attention, and don't care that you didn't pay attention. That isn't my problem, but yours.
But instead you now want to make it about your opinion of not caring. Which is strange as you took the time to care enough to make a reply. :doh
A reply that was not even based on that which was asked.

And your sexual reference is inappropriate.

So you don't care. BFD!
Thank you for informing us. iLOL
 
Well that is new evidence.
A picture existed on ™'s phone that showed jewelry spread out on the bed.
Go figure.
 
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rocket88 said:
If it's not material to the trial, it really doesn't matter here does it? Are you going to treat us to an analysis of whose penis was bigger too? It's not material to the trial either. Did Z have vanity plates, and if so what did they say? Who cares!
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I think it is material to the trial. Whether it will be introduced or not is another story. But if it was immaterial, it wouldn't have been put out there.

Since George Zimmerman has to make an affirmative defense (required in self-defense cases, since he's admitted to killing him), Trayvon Martin's character is certainly an issue. If he were a street thug with a long rap sheet, as an example, GZ would have never been brought to trial.
 
MaggieD said:
I think it is material to the trial. Whether it will be introduced or not is another story. But if it was immaterial, it wouldn't have been put out there.

Since George Zimmerman has to make an affirmative defense (required in self-defense cases, since he's admitted to killing him), Trayvon Martin's character is certainly an issue. If he were a street thug with a long rap sheet, as an example, GZ would have never been brought to trial.
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Half of this forum is immaterial to the trial. Let's just say that Trayvon stole all that jewelry. Seems relatively likely. Did he steal it from Zimmerman? Was he hitting Zimmerman with it?

Criminals get murdered all the time. Martin's past doesn't necessarily mean he wasn't murdered. Doesn't mean he was either, but it is possible to be both a criminal and a murder victim. If Martin was a criminal, that shouldn't mean an automatic acquittal. I think it was self-defense, but I'm not going to play the character assassination game. What matters is the altercation and who started it. IF Martin was carrying that jewelry having just stolen it, it's evidence. Outside of that, it's not evidence of anything regarding his death.
 
rocket88 said:
Half of this forum is immaterial to the trial. Let's just say that Trayvon stole all that jewelry. Seems relatively likely. Did he steal it from Zimmerman? Was he hitting Zimmerman with it?

Criminals get murdered all the time. Martin's past doesn't necessarily mean he wasn't murdered. Doesn't mean he was either, but it is possible to be both a criminal and a murder victim. If Martin was a criminal, that shouldn't mean an automatic acquittal. I think it was self-defense, but I'm not going to play the character assassination game. What matters is the altercation and who started it. IF Martin was carrying that jewelry having just stolen it, it's evidence. Outside of that, it's not evidence of anything regarding his death.
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I disagree. George Zimmerman has to prove out that Trayvon Martin attacked him first. How likely was he to do that? A choir boy with a squeaky clean record? Or a thief? Trayvon Martin's character factors in Zimmerman's assertion that he attacked first.
 
MaggieD said:
I disagree. George Zimmerman has to prove out that Trayvon Martin attacked him first. How likely was he to do that? A choir boy with a squeaky clean record? Or a thief? Trayvon Martin's character factors in Zimmerman's assertion that he attacked first.
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Not all thieves are violent. Is there any record of TM being violent like there is of Zimmerman?
 
Tettsuo said:
Not all thieves are violent. Is there any record of TM being violent like there is of Zimmerman?
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Of what actual violence do you speak?
There is no true violence in Zimmerman's record.
 
505 said:
The little **** DID commit a crime. What is it with people thinking that it isn't a crime to smash someone in the face, jump on top of them, and bash their head into a sidewalk?

If someone does that to me while I am armed, you bet your ass they are getting shot. Thug life gangster trash thinking they can go assault whoever they want should get what they deserve when they pick a fight with the wrong mother****er. He took a gamble and LOST. Good riddance.
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I made a post similar to this in a different thread about this case. Basically, Florida law permits you to shoot someone if they are assaulting you. TM initiated the violence, he got popped as a result. It was lawful. Now he's a martyr - go figure :roll:

Should have been an open and shut case.
 
Zimmerman is a cold blooded racially motivated murderer who was hunting for a young black man to kill that night.
Who his victim was and what that victim may have done in the past is immaterial to the fact that Zimmerman succeeded in his mission.
Zimmerman will go to prison for the rest of his life, and that is as it should be.
 
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Buck Ewer said:
Zimmerman is a cold blooded racially motivated murderer who was hunting for a young black man to kill that night..
Who his victim was and what that victim may have done in the past is immaterial.
He will go to prison for the rest of his life.
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Don't sugar coat it, tell us what you really think!
 
Excon said:
We all know ™ was found to have jewelry and a screw driver when apprehended for vandalism at his school.
We all pretty much know ™ wouldn't answer to whom it belonged.

sharon was saying it was costume jewelry.

What we didn't know is exactly what was found.

So here is the list.
Direct003.jpg


Direct004.jpg


(Original credit to Sundance at the CTH for finding out through a FOIA request.)

In document at Scribe. Page 101 and 102. Also listed just before that in individually entries.
Trayvon Martin MDSPD Reports - Tagle Attachment pgs 90-102


Do you really believe it wasn't stolen?
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maybe he just had a personal passion for wearing an array of pretty earrings [/sarcasm]
 
Tettsuo said:
Not all thieves are violent. Is there any record of TM being violent like there is of Zimmerman?
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you mean like throw a punch at an older bus driver
 
Aunt Spiker said:
This

People are full of **** - and it pisses me off. Some would honestly dip into his Kindergarten files to pull out anything that might make him look bad. He just became the whipping boy of all spite.

What's next - his shot records and how much he cried when he was kneed in the nuts the first time?
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That's fair - but is it also fair for the prosecution to be able to bring in Zimmerman's history, whatever it may be, to impeach his conduct while Martin's history is off limits as prejudicial?

No one alive, other than Zimmerman, knows what happened that night so it's hard to see how this is going to wash out but if a man is on trial for his life shouldn't he be allowed to defend himself to the fullest as long as the evidence is truthful?
 
justabubba said:
you mean like throw a punch at an older bus driver
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Or hit on a hot one.

Slangs a bitch sometimes.

"Taking a swing at" is also slang for hitting on.

But regrdless its hearsay without a victim.
 
Fisher said:
It doesn't matter if he was a master thief with the Hope Diamond in his pants and a stolen Rembrandt rolled up in his pocket. All that matters is what happened between the time Zimmerman made his call to the police and Martin being shot. That is all that matters, and as far as I can tell, Zimmerman is going to have a lot of explaining to do if he wants to successfully mount a self-defense claim.
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it does have a bearing on this case
it tends to confirm zimmerman's suspicions about the kid, observing martin's slow his walk in the rain, looking into the windows of homes he passed, may have been valid
 
justabubba said:
maybe he just had a personal passion for wearing an array of pretty earrings [/sarcasm]
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Yeah. And he was going to use that large burglary tool to fix the broken ones. :mrgreen:
 
Buck Ewer said:
Zimmerman is a cold blooded racially motivated murderer who was hunting for a young black man to kill that night.
Who his victim was and what that victim may have done in the past is immaterial to the fact that Zimmerman succeeded in his mission.
Zimmerman will go to prison for the rest of his life, and that is as it should be.
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Well you seem to have a problem here in what you believe. Because it all flies in the face of reality.
The FBI says not racial.
The evidence says not murdered.
 
CanadaJohn said:
That's fair - but is it also fair for the prosecution to be able to bring in Zimmerman's history, whatever it may be, to impeach his conduct while Martin's history is off limits as prejudicial?

No one alive, other than Zimmerman, knows what happened that night so it's hard to see how this is going to wash out but if a man is on trial for his life shouldn't he be allowed to defend himself to the fullest as long as the evidence is truthful?
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I thought there were witnesses who saw Martin on top of Zimmerman wailing on him beforehand?

I don't see the point in dragging out the past of either of the two guys. 'fight or flight' Martin was on top of Zimmerman beating him so flight wouldn't have worked the only other reasonable possibility would have been for him to fight back and he did.
 
justabubba said:
it does have a bearing on this case
it tends to confirm zimmerman's suspicions about the kid, observing martin's slow his walk in the rain, looking into the windows of homes he passed, may have been valid
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Yeah, you are wrong. Guess what--even prostitutes can be raped and drug dealers victims of crimes. It has zero bearing on self defense.
 
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