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Lawyer: Zimmerman prosecutor withheld evidence [W:600]

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Had you all been watching the proceedings you would already know this.
It is now being reported in the media with a little more information.


Lawyer: Zimmerman prosecutor withheld evidence

By KYLE HIGHTOWER
Associated Press

ORLANDO, Fla. -- A court employee who retrieved photos and deleted text messages from Trayvon Martin's cellphone has been placed on administrative leave after an attorney testified that prosecutors didn't properly turn over the evidence to the defense, an attorney said Wednesday.

Former prosecutor Wesley White said he was ethically obligated to reveal that Fourth Judicial Circuit Information Technology Director Ben Kruidbos retrieved the data that weren't turned over.

Kruidbos was placed on leave shortly after White testified during a hearing in George Zimmerman's second-degree murder case on Tuesday. White said Kruidbos was interviewed by state attorney investigators twice before the action was taken.

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ORLANDO, Fla.: Lawyer: Zimmerman prosecutor withheld evidence - Trayvon Martin - MiamiHerald.com​


The newer information is the last quoted paragraph.
They placed him on leave for exposing the truth.

Prosecutors play dirty.
I hope real sanctions come out of this.

But based on this Judge, she is most likely to claim no foul and sweep the actual transgression under the rug, as the defense has that information anyways.
 
Oh no this can't be true, only the defense plays dirty.:mrgreen:

and some say this trial has no political factor in it. Yeh right.

I think the court employee has some explaining to do.
 
mike2810 said:
Oh no this can't be true, only the defense plays dirty.:mrgreen:

and some say this trial has no political factor in it. Yeh right.

I think the court employee has some explaining to do.
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Splaining?
I think the court employee has some testifying to do against the Prosecution.

And some folks believe the Defense is the only one who plays dirty, hence my comment, when they are the ones who usually play fair and by the law.

And it Officially became political the moment a special prosecutor was assigned.


At least that is what I would say. lol
Any others have a different take?
 
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His testimony that was complete hearsay was quite impressive at the last hearing. At least until Nelson stopped it. Can't wait for the next hearing. :lol:
 
Ha!
I just read a comment from a person who was confused and read the following "A court employee who retrieved photos and deleted text messages..." as if he had deleted text messages, instead of retrieving them.
iLOL
 
Stardog said:
His testimony that was complete hearsay was quite impressive at the last hearing. At least until Nelson stopped it. Can't wait for the next hearing. :lol:
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I am sure you are.
White was speaking as to that which Kruidbos informed him. Hearsay.
At the upcoming hearing, Kruidbos will be there to give his first hand knowledge.
 
Excon said:
I am sure you are.
White was speaking as to that which Kruidbos informed him. Hearsay.
At the upcoming hearing, Kruidbos will be there to give his first hand knowledge.
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How reassuring for all the Zimmerman donators that O'Desperate is charging $400 an hour to not even know what hearsay is.
 
Stardog said:
How reassuring for all the Zimmerman donators that O'Desperate is charging $400 an hour to not even know what hearsay is.
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Still still showing everybody why you are really here.

Not only that but that you are clueless as to what occurred. Figures
:lamo
 
Stardog said:
Motion denied.
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Still showing everybody why you are really here.

What a shame.

Well you are wrong as usual.
See the post in the other thread that proves it.
 
Still showing everybody why you are really here.

What a shame.

Well you are wrong as usual.
See the post in the other thread that proves it.
 
As usual you are wrong.
We all know it.
The only one who apparently doesn't is you.

So as before, I will again be gracious enough to give you the last word as I bow out for a bit of slumber.

Lets hope you don't go on a bait tirade as you did before.

P.s. I truly hope you continue to obsess over me. iLOL :lamo
 
Excon said:
As usual you are wrong.
We all know it.
The only one who apparently doesn't is you.

So as before, I will again be gracious enough to give you the last word as I bow out for a bit of slumber.

Lets hope you don't go on a bait tirade as you did before.

P.s. I truly hope you continue to obsess over me. iLOL :lamo
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Motion denied.

Congrats on your third failure. At least you didn't resort to begging this time. Hopefully, you've learned your place and, if you haven't, I'll be here to remind you of it.
 
Excon said:
Had you all been watching the proceedings you would already know this.
It is now being reported in the media with a little more information.
Lawyer: Zimmerman prosecutor withheld evidence

By KYLE HIGHTOWER
Associated Press

ORLANDO, Fla. -- A court employee who retrieved photos and deleted text messages from Trayvon Martin's cellphone has been placed on administrative leave after an attorney testified that prosecutors didn't properly turn over the evidence to the defense, an attorney said Wednesday.

Former prosecutor Wesley White said he was ethically obligated to reveal that Fourth Judicial Circuit Information Technology Director Ben Kruidbos retrieved the data that weren't turned over.

Kruidbos was placed on leave shortly after White testified during a hearing in George Zimmerman's second-degree murder case on Tuesday. White said Kruidbos was interviewed by state attorney investigators twice before the action was taken.

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ORLANDO, Fla.: Lawyer: Zimmerman prosecutor withheld evidence - Trayvon Martin - MiamiHerald.com​


The newer information is the last quoted paragraph.
They placed him on leave for exposing the truth.

Prosecutors play dirty.
I hope real sanctions come out of this.

But based on this Judge, she is most likely to claim no foul and sweep the actual transgression under the rug, as the defense has that information anyways.
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O'mara asked for raw data, as should be the usual practice, and the prosecutor had already handed him the raw data way back in January. Why ain't he hired computer experts to extract the info from the raw data files by now?

The defense should not expect the prosecutor to spoon feed him by doing his work to hire computer software experts to extract the raw data files for him and then cry foul to judge Nelson for getting some "enhanced version" like he did with zimmerman's nose bleed picture.

You can't have it both ways, ya know?

Btw, the info was irrelevant and not exculpatory.
 
dolphinocean said:
O'mara asked for raw data, as should be the usual practice, and the prosecutor had already handed him the raw data way back in January. Why ain't he hired computer experts to extract the info from the raw data files by now?

The defense should not expect the prosecutor to spoon feed him by doing his work to hire computer software experts to extract the raw data files for him and then cry foul to judge Nelson for getting some "enhanced version" like he did with zimmerman's nose bleed picture.

You can't have it both ways, ya know?

Btw, the info was irrelevant and not exculpatory.
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Bingo. The defense did NOT withhold the evidence.

Too bad for the stoopid defense team they couldn't figure out how to make BIN information into readable format.

Raw data was asked for. Raw data provided. It's not the State's job, as you say, to spoon feed the defense.
 
dolphinocean said:
O'mara asked for raw data, as should be the usual practice, and the prosecutor had already handed him the raw data way back in January. Why ain't he hired computer experts to extract the info from the raw data files by now?

The defense should not expect the prosecutor to spoon feed him by doing his work to hire computer software experts to extract the raw data files for him and then cry foul to judge Nelson for getting some "enhanced version" like he did with zimmerman's nose bleed picture.

You can't have it both ways, ya know?

Btw, the info was irrelevant and not exculpatory.
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As I recall,the judge asked Bernie if he had any additional information/reports/etc regarding Trayvon's cell phone. Bernie indicated he had nothing additional. This was actually pointed out in the comments sections of one of Leatherman's posts, which is sparked my memory...

It could be relevant depending on how the trial goes. Additionally, it could speak to impeachment material, depending on what was said during depositions and what is said on the stand.

Edit: I just read Omara's motion, and he has a quote.. Here is the basic gist:

West: We also include any other person that may have given them that information....
Judge: Have you recieved any information
BDLR: No, we have not talked to cellbrite
Judge: Or anybody else
BDLR: No, you honor.
 
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buck said:
As I recall,the judge asked Bernie if he had any additional information/reports/etc regarding Trayvon's cell phone. Bernie indicated he had nothing additional. This was actually pointed out in the comments sections of one of Leatherman's posts, which is sparked my memory...

It could be relevant depending on how the trial goes. Additionally, it could speak to impeachment material, depending on what was said during depositions and what is said on the stand.

Edit: I just read Omara's motion, and he has a quote.. Here is the basic gist:

West: We also include any other person that may have given them that information....
Judge: Have you recieved any information
BDLR: No, we have not talked to cellbrite
Judge: Or anybody else
BDLR: No, you honor.
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I'm sure you've well heard of Diwataman. A major Z supporter. I give him credit for being one of the more thoughtful and dedicated supporters, as opposed to some of the knuckle draggers at the Treehouse zoo (and a few here).

His commentary yesterday puts a bullseye on O'Mara's silly games:

But O’Mara is as much to blame.

He also did nothing except just wait for the State to give him information which they didn’t have in a lot of cases. So the fact of the matter is they are both to blame. Could O’Mara not have a year ago now get Trayvon’s phone to Cellebrite? I would think so. He had the time, he had the money, he didn’t do it. He just let it sit there for months and played games with the state regarding it and the info on it that continues right up to the trial. What kind of defense attorney does that?

]But really it’s no surprise to me, O’Mara has slow rolled with discovery and with investigating Trayvon himself and he has produced virtually nothing on his own accord that hasn’t already technically been in evidence. No need for me to spew about O’Mara again here but if you like you can familiarize yourself with it on my post here:
O’Mara – The Legacy of Trayvon Martin Maintained | DiwataMan

On the specific issue just go ahead and watch the hearings regarding it and see for yourself how convoluted the matter is. I’ve listened to the first one a few times now and I can’t figure out just where exactly the defense thinks Bernie lied or hid info or what. Then the way O’Mara frames the issue in the last hearing just convoluted the matter even more.

It’s going to come down to the same argument. The state gave O’Mara the .bin file, therefore they had the photos, texts, etc. the entire time, they just didn’t pay to get it all extracted.
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Ben Kruidbos – The State and Discovery in the George Zimmerman Case | DiwataMan
 
Paperview said:
I'm sure you've well heard of Diwataman. A major Z supporter. I give him credit for being one of the more thoughtful and dedicated supporters, as opposed to some of the knuckle draggers at the Treehouse zoo (and a few here).
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I've heard or him, but don't really read him. I prefer hearing opinions that contradict mine, so I mainly follow Leatherman.

In reading Omara's motion, though, he did obtain an expert to extract the data. So, Diwatman is wrong.

Additionally, BDLR indicated to the judge in the court that he had nothing further from anyone. It would appear that this may not be exactly accurate.
 
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