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Marijuana, fights, guns: Zimmerman loses key pretrial battles

In any case, Zimmerman committed murder. Martin's past has no bearing on the facts of that night as he was not committing a crime.
:doh
Now you are showing a complete lack of understanding of the evidence and the case.
His fighting has bearing as it shows he has a propensity for violence.
His drug usage of that evening confirms Zimmerman's suspicions. That he was on drugs.
Those things will be coming in to trial.
 
Read the texts.. He was on the bus headed for Sanford.. and said he had been kicked out.. but after the first week.. he also texted that he only had a week to go before going home and he missed his mother.
I have read the texts sharon. Stop making things up.
Either support your claims or clam up.
 
:doh
Now you are showing a complete lack of understanding of the evidence and the case.
His fighting has bearing as it shows he has a propensity for violence.
His drug usage of that evening confirms Zimmerman's suspicions. That he was on drugs.
Those things will be coming in to trial.

You sound ridiculous. Considering you are an excon, maybe that explains it.
 
If lets say i was killed in a situation like this would my drinking habits be at all relevant in my death?

It would if you were killed in a drunken brawl, absolutely. However, Trayvon Martin's past as no relevance at pre-trail because not only is he not the person on trial, he wasn't the one who initiated the pursuit not the acts that resulted in his death. I'm not an attorney, but I don't think one needs to be in order to reach such a logical conclusion through reason.
 
So because i like to drink someone killed me based on my drinking?

It would all depend on the other evidence and claims related to the case.

Let's say that your alleged murderer had a history of violently prohibitionist behavior. Maybe he'd been implicated in the bombing of a Budweiser brewery at some point in his past and had a history of beating up drunks.

What are the the three aspects of a crime that must be established before guilt can be determined in a criminal proceeding?

Means, motive, and opportunity.

Is it your opinion that a person's character and beliefs, as demonstrated by his or her behavioral history, has no bearing at all upon possible motivation for commiting a crime?

If so I'd have to assume that you're either a fool or that you're being deliberately obtuse because reality is conflicting with your preconceived notions.
 
No, but your drug usage could be, and your propensity for violence would be.

And O'Mara never said he wanted to use all of that information that was discovered.
It was discovered and as such, releasable. That is why you got to see it. And he even redacted the parts that should be.

I believe you are wrong here as well. Again, Trayvon isn't on trial here. Therefore, his past actions at pre-trail introduction are irrelevant. As the trial progresses, however, the defense will have every opportunity to prove an abusive pattern of behavior. Until then, I believe the judge ruled properly. Now, if Trayvon were the defendant, this would be a different story.
 
You sound ridiculous. Considering you are an excon, maybe that explains it.
So you have nothing as usual right?
Figures.


Read ALL the texts..................
I already told you I read the texts sharon.
What did you not understand about that?

What you also don't seem to be understanding is that you are making assumptions on what you have read, as to what they mean.

On the other hand we know he said he was kicked out. There is no assuming anything about that.
 
If George Zimmerman had, hypothetically, a history of racially bigoted behavior would it be at all relevant to this trial?

Of course it would.

It would speak to Zimmerman's character, or really a lack thereof, and would inform the jury's perception of what kind of man Zimmerman is.

It might not indicate guilt in and of itself, but it might indicate the potential, or possibly a motivation, for commiting the crime he's been charged with.

Likewise, evidence that speaks to Trayvon Martin's personality and character is equally relevant.

This is especially true in light of the fact that the prosecution, the media, and the Martin family have waged a campaign of dishonestly since the night the shooting occured portraying Martin as some poor, innocent, child-like little boy, virtually the type of kid who would be afraid of his own shadow, when clearly he is anything but.

Now clearly nothing in Martin's history paints him as a hardened criminal, but when the defense's claim is that Martin instigated the fight that eventually led to his fatal shooting I think it's relevant that he quite demonstrably has a history of drug use, petty property crimes, behavior problems at school, physical altercations, gang participation (or at least giving the appearance of being a "gangsta"), and that he had recently been kicked out of his family home because of a pattern of unacceptable behavior.

Now, because Zimmerman IS on trial, the above statement pertaining to his alleged racial biasness very likely will be admissible at pre-trial because it goes to motive, whereas Trayvon Martin's past behavior won't because it would only set a precedent for his abusive behavior. In short, the defense has the higher duty to prove that their client was provoked or attacked without cause or warrant, whereas, the prosecution merely has to show that despite Trayvon's checked past he was pursued with prejudice. That's the difference in this situation.
 
I believe you are wrong here as well. Again, Trayvon isn't on trial here. Therefore, his past actions at pre-trail introduction are irrelevant. As the trial progresses, however, the defense will have every opportunity to prove an abusive pattern of behavior. Until then, I believe the judge ruled properly. Now, if Trayvon were the defendant, this would be a different story.
Do you not know how the judge ruled?
-Martin's school records and history of fighting can be mentioned outside of opening statements.

-Marijuana in Martin's system can't be allowed in opening statements. Nelson will determine if it can be used in trial.

His fighting is coming in as it shows his propensity for violence.


His drug usage that night goes directly to Zimmerman's suspicion of him.
He thought he was drugs or something. It confirms his suspicious.
That is a specific. Not all his prior usage. Just that evening. That is why the Judge is waiting to make a ruling on the toxicology report.

Keep in mind that ™'s urine levels have not been released.
I have already posted the information from The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration showing that "Specific THC levels are often less than 5 ng/mL at 3 hours."

™'s level was 7.3. Showing he had recently used. Most likely within that three hour period.
That would be relevant. The Judge probably wants more specifics from the experts, but by law it should be coming in. It confirms Zimmerman's suspicions.
 
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You know you did not.

It is clear your purpose here is to disrupt.
Obviously you didn't read what was presented. Or if you did, you are attempting to be disruptive in a ridiculous fashion, because you already have been proven wrong.
 
Obviously you didn't read what was presented. Or if you did, you are attempting to be disruptive in a ridiculous fashion, because you already have been proven wrong.

Obviously you didn't read what was presented. Or if you did, you are attempting to be disruptive in a ridiculous fashion, because you already have been proven wrong.
 
Obviously you didn't read what was presented. Or if you did, you are attempting to be disruptive in a ridiculous fashion, because you already have been proven wrong.
How sad your actions are.
Stop being disruptive.
 
Now, because Zimmerman IS on trial, the above statement pertaining to his alleged racial biasness very likely will be admissible at pre-trial because it goes to motive, whereas Trayvon Martin's past behavior won't because it would only set a precedent for his abusive behavior. In short, the defense has the higher duty to prove that their client was provoked or attacked without cause or warrant, whereas, the prosecution merely has to show that despite Trayvon's checked past he was pursued with prejudice. That's the difference in this situation.
WTH?
There was no racial bias.
 
Do you not know how the judge ruled?
-Martin's school records and history of fighting can be mentioned outside of opening statements.

-Marijuana in Martin's system can't be allowed in opening statements. Nelson will determine if it can be used in trial.

His fighting is coming in as it shows his propensity for violence.

Yes, I do and I've already stated as much - that none of Martin's past can be admitted AT PRE-TRIAL INTRODUCTIONS, i.e., opening arguments. Afterwards is an entirely different story.

WTH?
There was no racial bias.

The 911 recording will show otherwise. But as another posted stated, I'm more than willing to let the evidence prove guilt or innocence.

And for the record, I'm not saying Martin is innocent. So, please don't misconstrue my arguments here. I'm just saying I agree with the judges ruling concerning the thread topic.
 
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Yes, I do and I've already stated as much - that none of Martin's past can be admitted AT PRE-TRIAL INTRODUCTIONS, i.e., opening arguments. Afterwards is an entirely different story.
What? You didn't state as much.
You said you disagree with me, and yet we are apparently of the same opinion.

Clearly showing you did not understand what I said, for you to disagree with it.



The 911 recording will show otherwise. But as another posted stated, I'm more than willing to let the evidence prove guilt or innocence.
No, it doesn't.
Even the FBI has recognized that he was not acting out of any racial motivation.
Punks is not a racial slur.
 
:doh
Now you are showing a complete lack of understanding of the evidence and the case.
His fighting has bearing as it shows he has a propensity for violence.
His drug usage of that evening confirms Zimmerman's suspicions. That he was on drugs.
Those things will be coming in to trial.

You can tell if someone in a hooded sweatshirt is high on Marijuana in the dark of night? :confused:
 
In short, the defense has the higher duty to prove that their client was provoked or attacked without cause or warrant, whereas, the prosecution merely has to show that despite Trayvon's checked past he was pursued with prejudice.

So essentially we assume guilt until and unless he's able to prove himself innocent.

Given what (little) I know of American jurisprudence that seems kinda bassackwards.

What I would actually expect is the presumption of innocence for the accused and the higher duty being on the state to establish beyond a reasonable doubt that he actually commited the crime they're alledgeing he commited.

As the accused, he should be free to use any and all factual evidence and informattion at his diposal to assert his innocense.
 
You can tell if someone in a hooded sweatshirt is high on Marijuana in the dark of night? :confused:
Have you bothered to look at the evidence?


Are you forgetting the headlights of the vehicle or the other ambient light in the area where Zimmerman's suspicions were first raised?
Are you forgetting that ™'s own actions made it appear to Zimmerman he was "on drugs or something".
 
So essentially we assume guilt until and unless he's able to prove himself innocent.

Given what (little) I know of American jurisprudence that seems kinda bassackwards.

What I would actually expect is the presumption of innocence for the accused and the higher duty being on the state to establish beyond a reasonable doubt that he actually commited the crime they're alledgeing he commited.

As the accused, he should be free to use any and all factual evidence and informattion at his diposal to assert his innocense.
The person you replied to is misstating the requirements.
For what ever reason is yet to be seen.
 
Huge victory for the prosecution today. Team Weasel blew it.

Just showing that you are here to be disruptive, because that was not what happened.
The Judge agreed with O'Mara on most evidentiary points.
The information would be able to come during opening statements or during trial unless the party showed it was relevant.

And frankly what happened severely limits the prosecution, unless of course the then present information that will open the door for the Defense.
It is going to be funny watching them open the door to everything they wanted to keep out. iLOL
 
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