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What the state doesn't want said of Trayvon Martin at trial [W:326]

sharon said:
George is not very bright..

At what point does one decide that a teen walking home at 7 PM and caught in the rain is "up to no good"?

The whole of George's fantasy is ridiculous.

Something else happened that night.. George had no money to go shopping and/or he'd quarrelled with Shelie.. There had to be some acute reason for George to be so angry and so determined to prove himself.
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So sharon, are you ready yet to admit you lied about the FBI?
 
sharon said:
Something else happened that night.. George had no money to go shopping and/or he'd quarrelled with Shelie.. There had to be some acute reason for George to be so angry and so determined to prove himself.
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Why not, instead of imagining a reason for someone to go psycho as a linchpin for a derailed deduction of events, just use the available evidence?
 
Jerry said:
Why should we ever suppress anything, ever? Does the oath not state "....the whole truth...."?
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You are welcome to try and prove any of the Internet rumors are true.

(Spoiler alert: You're going to fail)
 
Stardog said:
You are welcome to try and prove any of the Internet rumors are true.

(Spoiler alert: You're going to fail)
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I'm not aware of any internet rumors, true or false.
 
This place isn't any fun since Thunder left.


The media takes a real event among normal people and blurs the facts so as to create 2 characters that are empty shells. By creating these "empty shells", both Zimmerman and Martin become less of a person and more of something the casual reader can put on and wear. I'm going to refer to Zimmerman as "Pants" and Martin as "Hoodie" from here on out.

The media has taken this incident and created a meme out of it. Have fun beating each-other over the head, you're all wrong anyway.
 
Jerry said:
That's the wonderful thing about the Zimmerman/Martin meme forum: you get to be whatever you want to be.
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No I rely on facts and those to can't keep up make excuses to run way.
 
Stardog said:
No I rely on facts and those to can't keep up make excuses to run way.
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amazing you fail to provide the links to the "facts". Why is that. Your posts are mostly opinion.

I am never wrong.:mrgreen:
 
The OS just had a report on the state's experts:

George Zimmerman trial voice - OrlandoSentinel.com

Hollien and Harnsberger broke down the recording scream by scream. They concluded that the recording quality and the voice samples they were provided were not good enough to definitively match either Trayvon or Zimmerman.

But they wrote there were near matches for several individual cries. Some of the first eight came close to matching Trayvon's voice, they wrote, while the 14th and 16th came close to matching Zimmerman's.

In a separate evaluation, forensic analyst Alan Reich wrote that he believed the cries came from "the younger of the two male speakers, Trayvon Martin."

According to Reich's analysis, the "resonant frequency" of the vowel in last scream — Reich says it was likely the word "stop" — is about 10 percent above "the adult male average" and therefore "highly appropriate" for a still-maturing teenager.
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I beleive the FBI's statement and the first expert's statement that the recording is not high enough quality to positively ID either and the following quote would trump Reich.

A retired FBI expert, James Ryan, questions whether such certainty is possible, though he was speaking in general rather than analyzing Reich's work. Ryan said he doesn't know of any studies indicating it's possible to make conclusions about age from vocal pitch. In emotional situations, the range of the human voice is too varied to make any conclusions about age, he said. Nor is it always possible to positively identify words being said, even with the help of technology, he added.

“I think it’s hard to scientifically say anything definitive with audio like this,” Ryan told the newspaper. “One person will come up with one scenario, one speech, one sentence, and some other well-meaning person, trying hard, unbiased in a controlled environment with headphones, will come up with another one.”
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I would also find these two experts as disagreeing with each other. Reich indicated that he heard a younger voice say "i'm begging you" at the begginning of the call while the helps were still be yelled. The first expert says those helps came close to a match for Trayvon... " but Trayvon couldn't have been saying "i'm begging you" while screamign for help. additionally, Reich hears the same (younger) voice screamign for help throughout while expert 1 thinks Trayvon was at the beginning and Zimm at the end.

If Trayvon was screamign for helpp -w hich I still find unlikely - I would certainly change my position.
 
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Stardog said:
No I rely on facts and those to can't keep up make excuses to run way.
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Is there anything to keep up with? A motion here, a motion there....I'm pretty sure Slim@No_Limit_Nigga is still dead, and Mr. Zimmerman is still fat and unemployed...what's to report?
 
JackFrost said:
-10 years of molesting a younger female cousin
-Years of child abuse
-Attacking his ex-fiance
-Attacking an undercover LEO
-Bullying co-workers
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Wow Tryvon did all that? Damn.

He's dead now, so who cares.
 
Jerry said:
Wow Tryvon did all that? Damn.

He's dead now, so who cares.
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I thought you wanted the whole truth Jerry? Seem's like you can't handle the whole truth. We all know witnesses have come forward and stated under oath Zimmerman did all these things. So why would you outright lie about Trayvon doing those things?
 
JackFrost said:
I thought you wanted the whole truth Jerry? Seem's like you can't handle the whole truth. We all know witnesses have come forward and stated under oath Zimmerman did all these things. So why would you outright lie about Trayvon doing those things?
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You're mistaking me for someone who keeps up on this story.

I didn't know anyone did those things. You failed to state who did those things or give a link, so how was I to know?

Ok, so Pants did them. So...what's your point?
 
Jerry said:
You're mistaking me for someone who keeps up on this story.

I didn't know anyone did those things. You failed to state who did those things or give a link, so how was I to know?

Ok, so Pants did them. So...what's your point?
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Does the oath not state "....the whole truth...."?
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For one who advocates the whole truth...you are putting in very little effort to learn the whole truth.

Why is that Jerry? Why would someone jump in on a thread to discuss a topic which, by his own admission, is not familiar with the topic?
 
JackFrost said:
For one who advocates the whole truth...you are putting in very little effort to learn the whole truth.

Why is that Jerry? Why would someone jump in on a thread to discuss a topic which, by his own admission, is not familiar with the topic?
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So you aren't going to answer my question?
 
Jerry said:
So you aren't going to answer my question?
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Your original question? The problem here is that you are willfully ignorant of the subject matter, which you have admitted, to know that I have already answered the question.

Are you going to learn about the subject matter so you can see the answer that has been given already?
 
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