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Florida Case Law: Accused Must Be Free From Fault

I read the law a long time ago. I live in Florida. One cannot simply "de-activate" a law because they don't wanna use it. Florida statue will, in fact, be the applicable law in this case and it supercedes previous decisions.

I lived in Fl too.. .. in the 1980s and again after 9-11. My family also had a home in Daytona Beach.

How is it that you identify with George?
 
I lived in Fl too.. .. in the 1980s and again after 9-11. My family also had a home in Daytona Beach.

That's nice. I grew up here and read the statutes on lethal force as soon as they were passed. I've kept up on the developments and remain fully aware of when I may employ lethal force.

How is it that you identify with George?

If I was carrying and someone attacked me, I'd shoot them.
 
That's nice. I grew up here and read the statutes on lethal force as soon as they were passed. I've kept up on the developments and remain fully aware of when I may employ lethal force.



If I was carrying and someone attacked me, I'd shoot them.

Are you like George?

George is stupid and a failed person who's only source of self esteem was playing cop by running around at night with a gun. George is sick.. he retreated into his cop fantasy because he failed in every other aspect of his life.

Are you a former felon? A jailhouse lawyer?
 
Are you like George?

George is stupid and a failed person who's only source of self esteem was playing cop by running around at night with a gun. George is sick.. he retreated into his cop fantasy because he failed in every other aspect of his life.

Are you a former felon? A jailhouse lawyer?

I'm an ex-paratrooper, did my masters in Europe and my phd in the States. I specialize in agricultural development and spent 2 years in rural Africa conducting research, alone, for my dissertation. I'm not a felon and I'm definately not racist.

If someone attacked me while I was carrying, I would shoot them.
 
Oh, George has more than 6 different accounts of what happened. He keeps fooling with the details and trying to clean up the impossibilities.

George retreated into his cop fantasy long ago.. because he has failed at everything else. He will become a jailhouse lawyer or a religious fanatic in prison.

Wow...6 :roll:

What's the official one? Have you read it?
 
The defense gave up on SYG, declined to pursue an immunity hearing. Mark O'Mara has stated on record they will not use a SYG defense. This is plain ole self-defense.

Not true. He has not waived/declined the issue

He can bring up the immunity issue at trial

Don't make the mistake of second-guessing him
 
George is stupid and a failed person who's only source of self esteem was playing cop by running around at night with a gun. George is sick.. he retreated into his cop fantasy because he failed in every other aspect of his life.

How completely and utterly pathetic Sharon... Do you have any idea just how bad it makes both you and your beliefs on this case look when you resort to cheap personal attacks on Zimmerman like that? Resorting to such a childish, and quite frankly deplorable means to prove your point, ends up doing quite the opposite... It shows everyone not only how weak the basis of your beliefs are, it also shows everyone that your beliefs have absolutely nothing to do with the evidence, but rather your own personal and political beliefs.

You ruthlessly attack a man you don't even know, not because it's valid or justified, but in order to prop up your own personal, political and ideological beliefs... How do you live with that?
 
How completely and utterly pathetic Sharon... Do you have any idea just how bad it makes both you and your beliefs on this case look when you resort to cheap personal attacks on Zimmerman like that? Resorting to such a childish, and quite frankly deplorable means to prove your point, ends up doing quite the opposite... It shows everyone not only how weak the basis of your beliefs are, it also shows everyone that your beliefs have absolutely nothing to do with the evidence, but rather your own personal and political beliefs.

You ruthlessly attack a man you don't even know, not because it's valid or justified, but in order to prop up your own personal, political and ideological beliefs... How do you live with that?

I am not a child... and I know a sicko when I see one..
 
The defense gave up on SYG, declined to
pursue an immunity hearing. Mark O'Mara has stated on record they will not use a SYG defense. This is plain ole self-defense.

What's the major difference? I don't see how Zimmerman is better off, do you?
 
How completely and utterly pathetic
Sharon... Do you have any idea just how bad it makes both you and your beliefs on this case look when you resort to cheap personal attacks on Zimmerman like that? Resorting to such a childish, and quite frankly deplorable means to prove your point, ends up doing quite the opposite... It shows everyone not only how weak the basis of your beliefs are, it also shows everyone that your beliefs have absolutely nothing to do with the evidence, but rather your own personal and political beliefs.

You ruthlessly attack a man you don't even know, not because it's valid or justified, but in order to prop up your own personal, political and ideological beliefs... How do you live with that?

The same could.be said about all the people attacking Martin.
 
The same could.be said about all the people attacking Martin.

You seem confused....

The *attacking* was done by M (himself)

If M hadn't started the fight and continued to brutally beat Z, he'd be alive today.

M reaped what he sowed
 
Not true. He has not waived/declined the issue

He can bring up the immunity issue at trial

Don't make the mistake of second-guessing him

I am going off of what Mark O'Mara has stated on record. No second guessing going on here. I am taking what Mark O'Mara has stated.

Per Mark O'Mara himself:

1. They only have time to prepare for one thing, immunity hearing OR trial, not both. If they have said otherwise, prove it.

2. George WANTS to be acquitted by a jury. If they have said otherwise, prove it.
 
It doesn't matter what they want to use as a defense. The law is the law and it will apply.

The law still needs to be argued in a courtroom. George Zimmerman's own attorney Mark O'Mara, has stated on record this is not a SYG case, but one of self-defense. They will be arguing self-defense, not SYG. If you have proof they will do otherwise, please provide the information.
 
Florida statute (SYG) includes and supercedes those decisions. The legal use of lethal force is clearly and definitively (as far as this case is concerned) contained therein.

Again, George Zimmerman's own attorney, Mark O'Mara, has stated this is NOT a case of SYG, but one of self-defense. They will be arguing self-defense.
 
The law still needs to be argued in a courtroom. George Zimmerman's own attorney Mark O'Mara, has stated on record this is not a SYG case, but one of self-defense. They will be arguing self-defense, not SYG. If you have proof they will do otherwise, please provide the information.

Let them argue self-defense. SYG laws still exist and are applicable, including the requirements for using lethal force in self defense. Perhaps some aspects of SYG will not be invoked by the defense, but I'm quite sure that SYG covers when someone can use lethal force in self defense. There is no "going back in time" to previous statutes.
 
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Mixon v. State 1952

MIXON v. STATE*-*April 1, 1952.



The law is clear that one may not provoke a difficulty and having done so act under the necessity produced by the difficulty, then kill his adversary and justify the homicide under the plea of self defense. Zimmerman clearly provoked a difficulty, by forcing Martin to run, then exiting his vehicle. According to Zimmerman, Martin attempted to communicate at least twice with Zimmerman, who failed to state his intentions or identify himself both times, further provoking a difficulty.

The prosecution will make the following argument:

Zimmerman profiled Martin and followed him in his car, causing Martin to run. After clearly attempting to put some distance between himself and the stranger following him, Zimmerman exited his vehicle armed with a gun. Zimmerman assumed Martin had committed or was about to commit a crime and was intent Martin should not get away. Martin was innocent of any wrongdoing, and was just walking home from 7/11. Zimmerman was unjustified in pursuing Martin and under the circumstances his conduct was threatening. This, the prosecution will argue, was sufficient to "initially provoke" the struggle, no matter who struck the first blow.

There is no credible evidence that Zimmerman either tried to escape from Martin or that he withdrew and clearly indicated his intent to withdraw from the altercation.

776.041 - - 2011 Florida Statutes - The Florida Senate

The case you cite is irrelevant because in it the finding was that the deceased had not attacked the accused at the time of the shooting. The physical injuries to Zimmerman show that he was.
 
None of the crap you had quoted applies.
The law you sourced, and I cited, says what you quoted was wrong. Do you really not understand that?
No it does not. It supports the prosecution's case.

When, not if, this issue is argued in the courtroom, George Zimmerman's claim of self-defense will be stripped away.
Wrong!
The law says you are wrong, and the prosecutor can not argue that the law is wrong.
Duh!
Where are you getting arguing the law is wrong:confused:

The prosecution will argue the law does not apply to Zimmerman, not that the law is wrong.
What you don't seem to understand, is that the information that you plagiarized, does not apply, as the prosecutor can not argue that. It is not controlling authority here. And none of the circumstances involved apply to this case.
You really should have researched what you plagiarized before posting it as I previously suggested.
You would have realized it isn't applicable.

Besides, the law has included in it exception when it is possible to use deadly force even if you are the aggressor.
This is why the prosecutors can not argue such, as they would be arguing the law is wrong.
You got nothing here.
 
Do you know that the prosecution is going to use this argument and cite these cases?
He plagiarized someone else work from almost a year ago. Work that he clearly doesn't understand, and you want to sit there and ask him if the prosecution is going to use it?
Utter absurdity.
Of course he doesn't know, because if he did, he would have known they can't and would not have posted this.
 
The case you cite is irrelevant because in it the finding was that the deceased had not attacked the accused at the time of the shooting. The physical injuries to Zimmerman show that he was.

Did you read the Statute?
 
I am going off of what Mark O'Mara has stated on record. No second guessing going on here. I am taking what Mark O'Mara has stated.

Per Mark O'Mara himself:

1. They only have time to prepare for one thing, immunity hearing OR trial, not both. If they have said otherwise, prove it.

2. George WANTS to be acquitted by a jury. If they have said otherwise, prove it.
Yes he said these things. But you seem to forget that he stated with agreement of the Judge, that they could if they wanted to, roll the SYG hearing into the trial, and later in a press briefing after that hearing, stated that the decision had not been made yet.


O’Mara previously stated that he hopes to roll the “stand your ground” hearing into Zimmerman’s second-degree murder trial, scheduled for June. He said that remains his desire. The judge has said she’s open to that.

George Zimmerman’s “Stand Your Ground” Hearing Won’t Be In April « CBS Miami


 
Yes.. George has told many different versions of his story..
No he hasn't sharon. He has told only one version.
But we understand why you continually tell us this untruth.

... too uneducated to read the law..
Thank you for admitting and demonstrating this about yourself.

... is stupid and a failed person who's only source of self esteem ... is sick ... retreated into ... fantasy ... failed in every other aspect of ... life.
I still have no idea why you would refer to your self as such? It may be fitting, but you really shouldn't talk about yourself like that.

I am not a child... and I know a sicko when I see one..
You have yet to show us evidence of either one.
 
Basic rules of self defense:
  • If you are assaulted, you have the right to self-defense using reasonable force.
  • If you invite/provoke an assault, such as an agreed-upon fight, you might not have the right to self-defense.
  • If you escalate the use of force, you lose the right to self-defense.
  • If your attacker attempts to stop or leave and you continue the fight, preventing him/her from leaving or ending the fight, you lose your right to self defense.

I'm quite sure the lawyers for both sides are well aware of these basics and will try to use them to their best advantage.
 
Basic rules of self defense:
  • If you are assaulted, you have the right to self-defense using reasonable force.
  • If you invite/provoke an assault, such as an agreed-upon fight, you might not have the right to self-defense.
  • If you escalate the use of force, you lose the right to self-defense.
  • If your attacker attempts to stop or leave and you continue the fight, preventing him/her from leaving or ending the fight, you lose your right to self defense.

I'm quite sure the lawyers for both sides are well aware of these basics and will try to use them to their best advantage.
As previously provided.

776.041 Use of force by aggressor.—The justification described in the preceding sections of this chapter is not available to a person who:
(1) Is attempting to commit, committing, or escaping after the commission of, a forcible felony; or
(2) Initially provokes the use of force against himself or herself, unless:
(a) Such force is so great that the person reasonably believes that he or she is in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm and that he or she has exhausted every reasonable means to escape such danger other than the use of force which is likely to cause death or great bodily harm to the assailant; or
(b) In good faith, the person withdraws from physical contact with the assailant and indicates clearly to the assailant that he or she desires to withdraw and terminate the use of force, but the assailant continues or resumes the use of force.

Statutes & Constitution :View Statutes : Online Sunshine
 
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