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Bad News For Team Zimmerman: No Immunity Hearing, No "Star Witness Bombshell"

sharon said:
If OMara believed that George could prevail in an immunity hearing without testifying... he would have done so months ago
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Just stop. You don't know that.


sharon said:
but George account doesn't work for me.
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Of course it doesn'ty.
As you can not look at this case and it's evidence without your bias.


sharon said:
It makes NO sense that Trayvon would wait in ambush for an older white guy while talking on his phone.
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As that is what the evidence suggests, yes it does.


sharon said:
George simply isn't telling the truth about how it went down.
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The evidence says you are wrong!


sharon said:
TM had no history of violence or bullying.
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Our prisons are full of those who only acted out violently once in their life.
It is a norm.
And your saying such is meaninglessness.

But besides it being meaningless, you don't even know if what you said is true or not. That is hilarious.


sharon said:
I do not believe that he bashed GZ's head on the sidewalk.
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The evidence says otherwise.


sharon said:
So what would provoke a 17 year old, mild mannered kid to punch George in the nose?
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The fact that he thought he was being followed is sufficient.


sharon said:
If you are open to my questions.. listen to the FDLE interview of witness #6.

Trayvon was NOT beating George..
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:doh
You seen to be confused as that witness does not confirm what you say.
And witness 6 is not determinative of whether or not Trayvon beat on Zimmerman.
As Zimmerman has the injuries to prove it. Or don't you know these things?
 
MaggieD said:
I consider you to be the most knowledgeable person on this website regards this case.
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Is this a girl thing or something? Because sharon has done nothing but show her lack of knowledge about this case.
She gets called on it all the time and then runs when called out.
Your statement is so far from the truth that I am astounded that anybody would say such a thing.
 
Excon said:
Is this a girl thing or something? Because sharon has done nothing but show her lack of knowledge about this case.
She gets called on it all the time and then runs when called out.
Your statement is so far from the truth that I am astounded that anybody would say such a thing.
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Perhaps she talks a good game. ;)
 
I am pretty sure Zimmerman would have been required to take the stand at a SYG hearing, and he would be examined by the prosecution. And I remember he refused to to take tbe stand at a hearing following his rearrest after lying to the court, because the judge refused to prevent to ptosecution from questioning him then.
 
sharon said:
Trayvon ASKED George.. "Why are you
following me?"... and at that precise moment George decided to make a PHONE CALL?

Remember George knew the cops were on their way.

George made many mistakes that evening .. compounding error and poor judgment upon blunder.
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The evidence obviously says that Zimmerman pegged Trayvon wrong and made numerous inaccurate assumptions about Trayvon and the entire situation. I don't see how anybody can argue differently.
 
I don't see any change at all, it's always been self defense.

Using Self Defense, it doesn't matter who started it. If Tvon went beyond reasonable measures to protect himself and attempted to seriously injure or kill Zman after Zman had been neutralized, then Tvon became the aggressor and Zman was legally entitled to defend himself. Luckily he had a gun. Plus an enormous amount of patience, I would have shot that kid long before Zman did.
 
SheWolf said:
The evidence obviously says that Zimmerman pegged Trayvon wrong and made numerous inaccurate assumptions about Trayvon and the entire situation. I don't see how anybody can argue differently.
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You're confused or simply do not understand how the law works....

It doesn't matter if Z profiled M or unfairly suspected M of *being up to no good/criminal activity*. The fact is... Z broke no law

What matters legally is whether M's felonious assault/attack on Z caused Z to reasonably believe he was in danger of serious bodily injury or death.

Focus on that
 
ric27 said:
You're confused or simply do not understand how the law works....

It doesn't matter if Z profiled M or unfairly suspected M of *being up to no good/criminal activity*. The fact is... Z broke no law

What matters legally is whether M's felonious assault/attack on Z caused Z to reasonably believe he was in danger of serious bodily injury or death.

Focus on that
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One in denial like yourself should take his own advice.

There is no reasonable belief that Zimmerman was in danger of serious bodily injury or death.

He will be found guilty of murder in the second degree.
 
JackFrost said:
One in denial like yourself should take his own advice.

There is no reasonable belief that Zimmerman was in danger of serious bodily injury or death.
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You are the one clearly in denial here as the evidence shows it was a reasonable belief.
 
Excon said:
Is this a girl thing or something? Because sharon has done nothing but show her lack of knowledge about this case.
She gets called on it all the time and then runs when called out.
Your statement is so far from the truth that I am astounded that anybody would say such a thing.
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I haven't run from anything. Don't be so puffed up. We are discussing a case here NOT exercising our egos.
 
JackFrost said:
One in denial like yourself should take his own advice.

There is no reasonable belief that Zimmerman was in danger of serious bodily injury or death.

He will be found guilty of murder in the second degree.
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Z's testimony, which is backed up by proof of the physical damage, he received plus a very important point....witnesses that saw the fight.

M broke Z's nose and slammed his head against cement. Z tried to get up and free himself but he could not.
 
sharon said:
Here's Crump's phone interview with Dee.

Hear More of the Phone Conversation | Video - ABC News
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The relevant portion has already been posted and it clearly shows she lied:

Deedee: I was in shock. I was really in shock.
Crump: And why didn't you go to is wake?
Deedee: because I was sick
Crump: and what happened? Where did you go?
Dee: (can't figure out what she is saying)
Crump: So you had to spend the night in the hospital?
Dee: Yes
Crump: And so this made you so sick you had to get medical assisntance?
Dee: Yes.It all comes down to last person talking to him. That's not easy.
Crump: And that'made you physicalyl sick?
Dee: yes
 
sharon said:
I haven't run from anything. Don't be so puffed up. We are discussing a case here NOT exercising our egos.
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I agree with Ex. When something is posted that is a confirmed fact and that fact disagrees with what you want to beleive, you run. Then, a couple of days/weeks later, you try to say the same thing as if the evidence conflicting with your opinion had never been posted. It's like you have some form of mental block that prevents facts from making it to your concious.
 
sharon said:
I haven't run from anything. Don't be so puffed up. We are discussing a case here NOT exercising our egos.
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WTF?
Yes you have and have always done so.
And unless you have turned over a new leaf, you are going to continue to do so.
It is who you are.
Which has nothing to do with me being puffed up. :doh But everything to do with your ego.
 
buck said:
I agree with Ex. When something is posted that is a confirmed fact and that fact disagrees with what you want to beleive, you run. Then, a couple of days/weeks later, you try to say the same thing as if the evidence conflicting with your opinion had never been posted. It's like you have some form of mental block that prevents facts from making it to your concious.
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Buck I posted the transcript of Dee's conversation.. with BDLR and I think that he misunderstood her and she wasn't assertive enough to correct him. It has no importance in her testimony.

Sorry I can't stick around here all day...
 
sharon said:
Buck I posted the transcript of Dee's conversation.. with BDLR and I think that he misunderstood her and she wasn't assertive enough to correct him. It has no importance in her testimony.

Sorry I can't stick around here all day...
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As she was part and parcel of the original fabrication, she clearly did not misunderstand.
She knew exactly what the claim made was and when asked, answered in the affirmative to it.
There could not have been any misunderstanding. None.
To even suggest such defies reality.
 
Excon said:
As she was part and parcel of the original fabrication, she clearly did not misunderstand.
She knew exactly what the claim made was and when asked, answered in the affirmative to it.
There could not have been any misunderstanding. None.
To even suggest such defies reality.
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Just means you haven't read the transcript.

What "fabrication"? George has told lie after lie after lie.. There was no probable cause for George to suspect Trayvon... He should have waited for the police OR identified himself.

I do think there are men (and women) who imagine themselves a "hero" and will do reckless things that put others in danger. They always have something to prove.
 
sharon said:
Just means you haven't read the transcript.

What "fabrication"? George has told lie after lie after lie.. There was no probable cause for George to suspect Trayvon... He should have waited for the police OR identified himself.

I do think there are men (and women) who imagine themselves a "hero" and will do reckless things that put others in danger. They always have something to prove.
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No it means you ignore the truth of the matter.
It means you choose to ignore reality.
She clearly did not misunderstand, nor could she, as she was part and parcel to the fabrication.

And Zimmerman did not tell lie after lie. That belief is unsupportable and resides soles in your thoughts.
And we already know he did have probable cause to be suspicious.
 
sharon said:
Buck I posted the transcript of Dee's conversation.. with BDLR and I think that he misunderstood her and she wasn't assertive enough to correct him. It has no importance in her testimony.

Sorry I can't stick around here all day...
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So.. Did Dee Dee lie?

Here, for your review again, is the transcript:
Deedee: I was in shock. I was really in shock.
Crump: And why didn't you go to is wake?
Deedee: because I was sick
Crump: and what happened? Where did you go?
Dee: (can't figure out what she is saying)
Crump: So you had to spend the night in the hospital?
Dee: Yes
Crump: And so this made you so sick you had to get medical assisntance?
Dee: Yes.It all comes down to last person talking to him. That's not easy.Crump: And that'made you physicalyl sick?
Dee: yes
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The above is the exact reason (Deedee's claim) that Bernie thought she had been in teh hospital. It is why he even asked the question. Even ignoring the reason that Crump thought she was in the hospita -which was because that is what her mother and her had told them - she even claimed she needed a bunch of tests) In other words, as Ex stated, Deedee created the fabriacation. IT was not a misunderstanding. It's a shame that you are willing to forgive so much of people just because they are young adults.

Yes, poor Deedee... She just didn't understand the question. :roll:
 
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buck said:
So.. Did Dee Dee lie?

Here, for your review again, is the transcript:

The above is the exact reason (Deedee's claim) that Bernie thought she had been in teh hospital. It is why he even asked the question. Even ignoring the reason that Crump thought she was in the hospita -which was because that is what her mother and her had told them - she even claimed she needed a bunch of tests) In other words, as Ex stated, Deedee created the fabriacation. IT was not a misunderstanding. It's a shame that you are willing to forgive so much of people just because they are young adults.

Yes, poor Deedee... She just didn't understand the question. :roll:
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According to the FL statutes Dee didn't commit perjury because she was not involved in the commission of any crime.

Frederick Leatherman Law Blog
 
sharon said:
According to the FL statutes Dee didn't commit perjury because she was not involved in the commission of any crime.

Frederick Leatherman Law Blog
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Did I mention anything about perjury? Let me make it easy.. No. I did not.

A question for you now... Did Deedee lie? Did she initate the lie? Or do you still, quite miraculously, claim that she was simply a poor "misunderstood" girl who wasn't "assertive" enough to correct the big mean investigator?

BTW, if that is what Leatherman stated, he is very wrong. She is not guilty of perjury because Bernie effed up the question. Had he asked the question as it should have been asked she almost certainly would have lied and committed perjury. Her being involved in a commission of a crime has nothing to do with it.

For example, Shellie was charged with perjury for lying without any other crime. We know she didn't committ any other crime as she was not charged with any crime outside of the perjury charge.
 
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buck said:
Did I mention anything about perjury? Let me make it easy.. No. I did not.

A question for you now... Did Deedee lie? Did she initate the lie? Or do you still, quite miraculously, claim that she was simply a poor "misunderstood" girl who wasn't "assertive" enough to correct the big mean investigator?

BTW, if that is what Leatherman stated, he is very wrong. She is not guilty of perjury because Bernie effed up the question. Had he asked the question as it should have been asked she almost certainly would have lied and committed perjury. Her being involved in a commission of a crime has nothing to do with it.

For example, Shellie was charged with perjury for lying without any other crime. We know she didn't committ any other crime as she was not charged with any crime outside of the perjury charge.
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Lying about finances is material to getting bail.

Lying about the reason the girl didn't go to the funeral is not material.
 
sharon said:
Lying about finances is material to getting bail.

Lying about the reason the girl didn't go to the funeral is not material.
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now you are changing your argument.

Anyway, perjury will never happen... I acknowledged that well before you brought up that contention.

But, I noticed you refused to answer the question. This is what you do when you are proven wrong. You ignore and will make the same claim ina few weeks as if you were not already proven wrong.

Deedee lied and as ex stated, she created the lie. It was not just a poor confused and shy girl that couldn't stand up to the mean investigator.
 
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