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Bad news for the prosecution and their star witness.

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The credibility of the state's star witness has just taken a major hit. She lied in a sworn statement.

George Zimmerman: George Zimmerman attorneys due in court today - OrlandoSentinel.com

Attorneys for George Zimmerman were expected to ask his judge this morning to order the state's most important witness, the young Miami woman who was on the phone with Trayvon Martin just before he was shot, to produce medical records.However, defense lawyer Don West made a starting claim shortly after the hearing began: The state had revealed, before the hearing, that there are no medical records.

The woman, the defense lawyer said, "misrepresented" in a sworn statement that she missed Trayvon's funeral because she had been hospitalized. "In fact, she lied," West said.Prosecutor John Guy confirmed there will be no medical records, effectively confirming that there was no hospital trip.
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The only reason you would lie about reasons for missing a funeral is because you are setting up a narrative.
 
Samhain said:
The only reason you would lie about reasons for missing a funeral is because you are setting up a narrative.
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I don't know about that. Seems to me she would lie because she knows she should've been there. That it looked bad that she wasn't.
 
Excon said:
Didn't she also say the exact same thing when the Prosecutor deposed her?
If she did, that would be perjury.
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I am not certain, but I thought that is what I read a few minutes ago. I went back to check, and I can't find it again. So either I imagined it or I just can't find the same story.
 
buck said:
I am not certain, but I thought that is what I read a few minutes ago. I went back to check, and I can't find it again. So either I imagined it or I just can't find the same story.
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I just read it again yesterday. It's there. Just have to find out if the quote was accurate.
I don't have the time at this moment.
So maybe someone else can provide it in the meantime or wait and I will source it later.
 
MaggieD said:
I don't know about that. Seems to me she would lie because she knows she should've been there. That it looked bad that she wasn't.
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Not under oath.
We already know Crump lied about her age.
This is just part and parcel.
 
Apparently this came out at the same hearing:

The defense also wants all the information about Martin, including any criminal history and Twitter and Facebook content, that was acquired by the Florida Department of Law Enforcement.

The FDLE says, however, there's possible criminal information in Martin's biographical file, and a lawyer for the agency said the information cannot be disclosed to Zimmerman.
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That's seems interesting, since we have been repeatedly told what a good little child he was....
 
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BDLR:_ OK._ I’m not saying that they did._ I’m just making sure the records’ clear on that….Um…you obviously found out about what happened to Trayvon, right?_ And at some point you ended up knowing that he was killed, right?

Dee Dee:_ Yeah.

BDLR:_ Were you able to go to the funeral or to the wake?

Dee Dee:__I was goin’ to go, but…

BDLR:_ OK, what happened?

Dee Dee:__I didn’ feel good.

BDLR:_ OK, did you end up going to the hospital or somewhere?

Dee Dee:_ Mmmm…Yeah, I had high blood pressure.

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W8 did not lie in a sworn statement. She just did not clarify, and Bernie did not push the issue. If she said that to Crump, she was not under oath.
 
JackFrost said:
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BDLR:_ OK._ I’m not saying that they did._ I’m just making sure the records’ clear on that….Um…you obviously found out about what happened to Trayvon, right?_ And at some point you ended up knowing that he was killed, right?

Dee Dee:_ Yeah.

BDLR:_ Were you able to go to the funeral or to the wake?

Dee Dee:__I was goin’ to go, but…

BDLR:_ OK, what happened?

Dee Dee:__I didn’ feel good.

BDLR:_ OK, did you end up going to the hospital or somewhere?

Dee Dee:_ Mmmm…Yeah, I had high blood pressure.

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W8 did not lie in a sworn statement. She just did not clarify, and Bernie did not push the issue. If she said that to Crump, she was not under oath.
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I am not certain if that was the statement they were talking about in the OP.. but assuming it was, it is still a lie - just not one that can be prosecuted.

Lying by omission. Also known as a continuing misrepresentation, a lie by omission occurs when an important fact is left out in order to foster a misconception.

And yes, she did tell Crump and the media that she was in the hospital. It will all be used to attack her credibilty.
 
buck said:
I am not certain if that was the statement they were talking about in the OP.. but assuming it was, it is still a lie - just not one that can be prosecuted.

Lying by omission. Also known as a continuing misrepresentation, a lie by omission occurs when an important fact is left out in order to foster a misconception.

And yes, she did tell Crump and the media that she was in the hospital. It will all be used to attack her credibilty.
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1. Obviously they are going to attack the witnesses credibility. This was never in question:lol:

2. She told the media? Source? The way I understand it is Crump told the media. W8 did not tell the media.

3. Being asked a question with two options and replying with "yeah" is not lying in a sworn statement. Good luck with that:lol:
 
JackFrost said:
1. Obviously they are going to attack the witnesses credibility. This was never in question:lol:
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She sure made it easy for them and handed them teh weapon to do it with.

2. She told the media? Source? The way I understand it is Crump told the media. W8 did not tell the media.
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I apolgoize. You may be correct. It was Crump and Trayvon's mother that told the media - after witness 8 had told them that.

3. Being asked a question with two options and replying with "yeah" is not lying in a sworn statement. Good luck with that:lol:
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She lied by omission. She knows that she previously told Crump that she was in the hosptial due to the stress of the situation - she could have cleared that up with BLR, instead only responding with a "yeah". It's lying by omission. Although, thanks to BLR incompetent questioning, certainly not one that can ever be prosecuted... Again, assumign that is the statement they were talking of in the OP.
 
Bernie hasn't yet ruled it out... During a conference after the hearing, the reporters asked if they would charge for perjury regardinthe hospital lie...

Prosecutors would not say whether they had any intention of charging their own witness with perjury for her lie.
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From what I understand, he ducked out of there really quickly, once asked.
 
buck said:
Bernie hasn't yet ruled it out... During a conference after the hearing, the reporters asked if they would charge for perjury regardinthe hospital lie...



From what I understand, he ducked out of there really quickly, once asked.
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They can't charge her with anything:lol:

The question he himself asked was unclear, therefore her answer itself was not a lie.

Could Bernie have cleared it up at that point-sure.

Could she have clarified at that point-sure.

But by definition, it was not a lie.

Bernie CLEARLY led her on at that point. I can see it, you can see it. She never stated "I went to the hospital or something". They have nothing to prosecute:lol:
 
JackFrost said:
They can't charge her with anything:lol:

The question he himself asked was unclear, therefore her answer itself was not a lie.

Could Bernie have cleared it up at that point-sure.

Could she have clarified at that point-sure.

But by definition, it was not a lie.

Bernie CLEARLY led her on at that point. I can see it, you can see it. She never stated "I went to the hospital or something". They have nothing to prosecute:lol:
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Based on what you posted, I agree. However, you are assuming this is the statement and a different "Sworn statement" does not exist. I am not certain. I would think that BLR would have easily dismissed the reporter's question based only on what you posted.
 
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3. Being asked a question with two options and replying with "yeah" is not lying in a sworn statement. Good luck with that:lol:
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Asking if it was the hospital was leading, changing it to "somewhere" made it not leading.
She was answering to the hospital portion.

Secondly, you and everyone else knows damn well he meant the "hospital", as she is the one who was supposedly informing Crump and de la Rionda of such. So yes it would be perjury. Do you honestly think she was answering to someplace other than what was reported?
Of course she wasn't.
 
If I remember correctly, Zimmerman's bond was raised to a level to take essentially all defense money because he didn't interrupt and fire his attorney to then take the stand to testify that his wife was lying.
 
calling on sharon to give us the straight scoop on this development [/s]
 
Excon said:
Asking if it was the hospital was leading, changing it to "somewhere" made it not leading.
She was answering to the hospital portion.

Secondly, you and everyone else knows damn well he meant the "hospital", as she is the one who was supposedly informing Crump and de la Rionda of such. So yes it would be perjury. Do you honestly think she was answering to someplace other than what was reported?
Of course she wasn't.
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Inadmissible.

Next.
 
Excon said:
Wrong!
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Admissible on what grounds?

BDLR:_ OK, did you end up going to the hospital or somewhere?

Dee Dee:_ Mmmm…Yeah, I had high blood pressure.
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She could have gone somewhere else other than a hospital (see "somewhere").

What she told Crump was not under oath. No perjury there.

You got nothing man:lol:
 
JackFrost said:
You got nothing man:lol:
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Wrong as usual.



JackFrost said:
Admissible on what grounds?
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What the **** do you mean on what grounds?
She misrepresented.
Makes her a untruthful and a liar. It casts doubt on anything else she says.
And whether or not that misrepresentation actual came from her, or was concocted by Crump, is very relevant as to what ever else she may say.

Which may be cleared up when she is deposed by O'Mara


JackFrost said:
She could have gone somewhere else other than a hospital (see "somewhere").
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Do you not follow along?
This was already explained to you.
 
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JackFrost said:
Admissible on what grounds?



She could have gone somewhere else other than a hospital (see "somewhere").

What she told Crump was not under oath. No perjury there.

You got nothing man:lol:
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How exactly foolish. Zimmerman did not talk to the police under oath either. It is admissible. A witness lying to police is admissible too.
 
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