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Bad news for the prosecution and their star witness.

He followed Martin because he felt safe i.e. Kel-tec P-9 in case the ****ing punk mouthed off...or worse stood his ground:shock:

So you claim. But you have zero proof and have to rely on you omniscience. As I have already proven, he previously followed an individual without having a gun. So, your claim that he only followed this individual because he had a gun is highly circumspect and only based on your emotions.
 
In Florida George will have a six man jury. If George had a brain or could speak, Trayvon would be alive.

Let's let the jury decide his fate.
 
Go to GZ legal and listen the the witnesses. Its arranged for easy access.
you are trying to be evasive, sharon
give us the specific information provided by the witnesses to prove zimmerman did NOT act in self defense
don't think you can or will
 
you are trying to be evasive, sharon
give us the specific information provided by the witnesses to prove zimmerman did NOT act in self defense
don't think you can or will

I am not being evasive at all. I can't listen to the recorded interviews for you.
 
you are trying to be evasive, sharon
give us the specific information provided by the witnesses to prove zimmerman did NOT act in self defense
don't think you can or will

She has done this before with me. I went to check wehter she was right, found out she was wrong, posted the link (which she won't do), and didn't hear back from her. To be fair, one time she was correct. Unlike her, I posted back and acknowledged that she was right.
 
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I see. They both asked each other a question, the first thing on their minds. Neither recieved an answer. Yet GZ should then be beat up for attempting to make a phone call? Was not TM already on the phone? Since when is reaching for a phone "aggresive" behavior? If phone talking is "aggressive" then TM was the initial aggressor as he was already on the phone. ;)

George has told so many different stories that its impossible to believe him. Why would George reach for his phone.. He knew the police were on their way.

And consider for just a moment that George was NW captain yet he threw his training and the protocols out the window,,

Why do that.. Would you call that reasonable and prudent?
 
She has done this before with me. I went to check wehter she was right, found out she was wrong, posted the link (which she won't do), and didn't hear back from her. To be fair, one time she was correct. Unlike her, I posted back and acknowledged that she was right.

None of the witnesses saw what happened.
 
None of the witnesses saw what happened.
excellent!
NONE of the witnesses (other than zimmerman) saw what happened
so you have NOTHING to prove zimmerman did not act in self defense
now let's see what you posted earlier in this thread:
Witnesses? Have you read their accounts? George is simply a very stupid person.. that has never been held accountable.
so, those witnesses, whose accounts you have read, confirm they did not see the incident
so, they are not able to establish that zimmerman acted in other than self defense

again, sharon, thank you for making my point
 
Trayvon created the situation for walking while black??
Is that what I said sharon?
What was that? I didn't?
Go figure. :doh

Trayvon created the situation by attacking Zimmerman.
 
There is no disputing the fact Zimmerman got out of his vehicle to chase Martin BECAUSE he was armed, NOT because he found Martin suspicious.
BS!
This is not something you can show at all.


The encounter would NOT have taken place if Zimmerman would have waited for SPD.
Doesn't matter.
Trayvon was the one who confronted and acted out violently. Zimmerman responded to that. That is what matters.


Trayvon Martin was a teenager being followed at night walking home with skittles and iced tea.
Your narrative is off.
Trayvon was a young adult who was returning to the place in which he was staying with some skittles and an Arizona Watermelon drink, who got caught looking into homes that he had no business looking into.


George Zimmerman exited his vehicle armed with a deadly weapon looking for this teenager walking home armed with skittles and iced tea.
More narrative spin. Figures.
Zimmerman got out of his vehicle to ascertain where the suspicious person he had called the police on had gone. He just happened to be armed.


Per George Zimmerman's Hannity interview, he did not believe Martin was armed before getting out of his vehicle. Hannity asked him straight up, "Did you believe he was armed?" Zimmerman replied, "no".
Doh! :doh Really matters not to Trayvon acting out violently.


Using Cold.Hard.Facts., we can determine Zimmerman acted irrationally because he was armed and clearly on "higher ground", so to speak:

  • Zimmerman got out of his vehicle because he was armed. He believed Martin was unarmed.
  • Zimmerman did not return to his vehicle because he was armed. He did not "need" to, having an "ace up his sleeve".
  • Zimmerman did not need to address Trayvon Martin's concern of being followed because he was armed. Why would he need to answer to a ****ing punk?
Wrong!
Doesn't mater if he got out of his vehicle to get an address and later decided to try and get eyes on the suspicious person, or even if he got out of his vehicle specifically to get eyes on the suspicious person he had called the police about. These actions are not illegal, nor are they inappropriate.

Zimmerman was prevented from returning to his vehicle by Trayvon's attack.

And yet he did answer Trayvon's question, didn't he?


The prosecution will prove Zimmerman's actions, not Martin's, led to the altercation. They will show Zimmerman, not Martin, was unreasonable and reckless.

Guilty of murder 2.

Accept the inevitable.
:doh
:lamo
The prosecution is unable to prove any such thing.


the fact is he followed with a gun.
:naughty

The fact is, he just happened to be armed.

Did he have a gun when he followed a shoplifter?
1. Another case of Zimmerman being reckless, good job pointing it out.
2. If Zimmerman had been armed, would he have shot and killed the shoplifter?
You are being absurd.
It shows that he will follow regardless of having a gun.


Did he have a gun when he pulled two police off of his friend?
1. Another case of Zimmerman being reckless, well done.
2. Would Zimmerman have shot and killed those officers messing with his friend?
More absurdity on your part.
This and the one above shows that he did not need a gun for any infusion of confidence.


Please point to any witness account which proves Zimmerman WAS defending himself
More absurdity.
There are two witness accounts that specifically puts him on the bottom in the defensive position.
His account says aas much and more. And the injuries support it.

You are being ridiculous.


1. Witnesses heard two people arguing. Your make believe "assault and battery" had to have occurred <after> the conversation.
Wtf?
Conversation?
There was no conversation.
Witnesses heard what they believed to be arguing. That does not means that is what was happening. Or do you not know that?
For all you know, Trayvon speaking out angrily and aggressively towards Zimmerman, and Zimmerman calling for help is exactly what they heard, and described as an argument.


2. Defending oneself from a shady guy following you in the dark with a gun =/= assault and battery.
Which is not what happened.
Trayvon laid in wait. Waited until Zimmerman's back was to him before he attacked. That is not defending oneself, but attacking.


Witnesses and evidence will show Zimmerman guilty of the crime(s)he is charged with. There is no other option.
Wrong!


2. GZ's injuries are so minor a reasonable person would not believe he shot and killed TM in self defense
Actually they were not that minor. Nor do they matter to his response. As anybody getting their head slammed into the ground would reasonably believe their life was threatened.
And with Trayvon going for Zimmerman's gun with the stated intent of murdering him, it is highly unlikely that a jury would think that his response was not reasonable or justified.
 
Trayvon ran and evaded George..
Trayvon ran, evaded and then hid and laid in wait to effectuate an attack.


and Trayvon did the adult thing..
Laying in wait is not doing "the adult thing".


He ASKED George, "Why are you following me?"
He simply didn't ask sharon. He approached in a hostile fashion. The question was hostile and part and parcel of his attack.


In that moment George decided to make ANOTHER phone call to the police. .. instead of saying.. I'm NW. George is an idiot.
First off, your scenario of how that question was asked is off. When placed in proper perspective of what occurred it is more than reasonable for Zimmerman to respond the way he did.
Secondly, there is no requirement for Zimmerman to respond as you wish with his being part of NW. He was under no obligation to do so.
Nor can you show that Trayvon would have halted his attack (as we know he was already in the process of carrying it through), had Zimmerman answered the way you wish he did.


I am not being evasive at all.
The hell you aren't.
You always are.
Either provide the specific quote and time stamps, or push on.


George has told so many different stories that its impossible to believe him.
Wrong sharon. He has told one account which has remained consistent.
And as Serino said, it all added up.


Why would George reach for his phone.. He knew the police were on their way.
Why wouldn't he?
Nor does it matter.
Trayvon attacked him. Trayvon was in the wrong and lost his life because of it.


And consider for just a moment that George was NW captain yet he threw his training and the protocols out the window,,

Why do that..
He was under no obligation to follow such protocols.
Especially since he was just on his way to the store.


Would you call that reasonable and prudent?
His actions in self defense were, and that is all that matters.


None of the witnesses saw what happened.
Wrong sharon.

And besides you being wrong, many of them saw a part of what happened, and they all are consistent with Zimmerman's account.
 
Trayvon ran, evaded and then hid and laid in wait to effectuate an attack.


Laying in wait is not doing "the adult thing".


He simply didn't ask sharon. He approached in a hostile fashion. The question was hostile and part and parcel of his attack.


First off, your scenario of how that question was asked is off. When placed in proper perspective of what occurred it is more than reasonable for Zimmerman to respond the way he did.
Secondly, there is no requirement for Zimmerman to respond as you wish with his being part of NW. He was under no obligation to do so.
Nor can you show that Trayvon would have halted his attack (as we know he was already in the process of carrying it through), had Zimmerman answered the way you wish he did.


The hell you aren't.
You always are.
Either provide the specific quote and time stamps, or push on.



Wrong sharon. He has told one account which has remained consistent.
And as Serino said, it all added up.



Why wouldn't he?
Nor does it matter.
Trayvon attacked him. Trayvon was in the wrong and lost his life because of it.


He was under no obligation to follow such protocols.
Especially since he was just on his way to the store.



His actions in self defense were, and that is all that matters.


Wrong sharon.

And besides you being wrong, many of them saw a part of what happened, and they all are consistent with Zimmerman's account.

Fail post

No evidence presented.
 
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