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State unlocked trove of info from Trayvon's cellphone

What if...? said:
And of course it could have been simply young male bravado. Not wanting to appear cowardly to a girl.
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Could have been, but only if you require no evidence and would rather just use imagination.
 
buck said:
Could have been, but only if you require no evidence and would rather just use imagination.
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We have a good bit of time unaccounted for. Right at the critical moments.

Apparently out of character behavior on Ms part.

And a clear effort to deceive the court on Zs part per the bail thing.

So I'm not prepared to assume Zs narrative carries the weight of say DNA evidence.

I still think it was mostly an accident precipitated by Zs actions, not murder.

His steel dick and hollow point balls got him into a situation he wasn't prepared to deal with like a responsible adult. And somebody died.
 
What if...? said:
We have a good bit of time unaccounted for. Right at the critical moments.

Apparently out of character behavior on Ms part.

And a clear effort to deceive the court on Zs part per the bail thing.

So I'm not prepared to assume Zs narrative carries the weight of say DNA evidence.

I still think it was mostly an accident precipitated by Zs actions, not murder.

His steel dick and hollow point balls got him into a situation he wasn't prepared to deal with like a responsible adult. And somebody died.
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We started this discussion trying to determine what T was doing rather than returning home - he could have been home at least 3 minutes prior to the enocounter. The only thing you have offer was a guess that T was hiding but didn't want to tell his GF. Sadly, that is just not supported by any evidence. W8 would not hesitate to say that T went into hiding, if she had known, and if T hid but didn't want her to know, she would have noticed that he was silent/whispering. There is no point to hiding then talking in a normal voice into a phone. It defies logic. So, let's try again.

What was T doing instead of returning home? You are certain that he was not engaging Z with the intent to attack him... I am positive that the evidence does not show a kid that was hiding for fear. Do you have anythign else?
 
buck said:
We started this discussion trying to determine what T was doing rather than returning home - he could have been home at least 3 minutes prior to the enocounter. The only thing you have offer was a guess that T was hiding but didn't want to tell his GF. Sadly, that is just not supported by any evidence. W8 would not hesitate to say that T went into hiding, if she had known, and if T hid but didn't want her to know, she would have noticed that he was silent/whispering. There is no point to hiding then talking in a normal voice into a phone. It defies logic. So, let's try again.

What was T doing instead of returning home? You are certain that he was not engaging Z with the intent to attack him... I am positive that the evidence does not show a kid that was hiding for fear. Do you have anythign else?
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You are presuming that M was aware that Z was out of the car and needed to whisper.

He may have thought he was free of the weirdo and was back to chatting with D and/or catching his breath.
 
What if...? said:
You are presuming that M was aware that Z was out of the car and needed to whisper.
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If he had reason to hide, he would have had reason to keep it quiet. Why hide then talk normally? Or why, after you know you are being followed, would you just assume you are safe and sit there (even though the girl said T indicated he was continuing home - just not running). It's like a 20-30 second walk for Trayvon to get home, yet 3 minutes later he ends up back near the T where Z is. I suspect you are ignoring a lot in order to maintain your opinion. It would seem fairly obvious T was not hiding for fear and was not on the way back home and according to Dee was not just sitting around...
 
buck said:
If he had reason to hide, he would have had reason to keep it quiet. Why hide then talk normally? Or why, after you know you are being followed, would you just assume you are safe and sit there (even though the girl said T indicated he was continuing home - just not running). It's like a 20-30 second walk for Trayvon to get home, yet 3 minutes later he ends up back near the T where Z is. I suspect you are ignoring a lot in order to maintain your opinion. It would seem fairly obvious T was not hiding for fear and was not on the way back home and according to Dee was not just sitting around...
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I think you have the timeline wrong. And I'm too lazy to look it up.
 
What if...? said:
I think you have the timeline wrong. And I'm too lazy to look it up.
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Not by much, if at all... Martin could have easily made it home while Z was still on the phone with NEN. That leaves approximately 3 minutes where Trayvon could have been home resting comfortably, but instead was back near the T for some mystery reason.

You can see T's timeline here starting at 4:50 in the video:

Zimmerman timeline examined on 'Flashpoint' (CC) | Home - Home
 
buck said:
If he had reason to hide, he would have had reason to keep it quiet. Why hide then talk normally? Or why, after you know you are being followed, would you just assume you are safe and sit there (even though the girl said T indicated he was continuing home - just not running). It's like a 20-30 second walk for Trayvon to get home, yet 3 minutes later he ends up back near the T where Z is. I suspect you are ignoring a lot in order to maintain your opinion. It would seem fairly obvious T was not hiding for fear and was not on the way back home and according to Dee was not just sitting around...
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LOL so much misinformation.

NEN Call and Trayvon's Walk - YouTube

Did any Zimmer-supporter ever walk the path? Oh right of course not, it would blow holes in Zimmer's fabricated story:lamo
 
JackFrost said:
LOL so much misinformation.

NEN Call and Trayvon's Walk - YouTube

Did any Zimmer-supporter ever walk the path? Oh right of course not, it would blow holes in Zimmer's fabricated story:lamo
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Dude, I posted a link to the video showing T's timeline. I was off on the 20-30 seconds, but I provided the corrected info in a later post (post #108 above). The fact remains, T could have been home while Z was still on teh call with NEN and approximately 3 minutes prior to the confrontation - yet he ends up near the T.
 
buck said:
Dude, I posted a link to the video showing T's timeline. I was off on the 20-30 seconds, but I provided the corrected info in a later post (post #108 above). The fact remains, T could have been home while Z was still on teh call with NEN and approximately 3 minutes prior to the confrontation - yet he ends up near the T.
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And? Zimmerman could have been back to his vehicle.

Neither one was breaking the law by being at the T. Moot point.

Not by much, if at all
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That does not look like a correction:lol:
 
JackFrost said:
And? Zimmerman could have been back to his vehicle.

Neither one was breaking the law by being at the T. Moot point.
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No, but when you look at the reason they didn't get back to where they were allegedly heading is where the problem occurs. Tray was scared and on his way back to the house and could have been there before Z had even hung up with NEN. Yet, magically he ended up all the way back at the T. Why?

Z could have made it back to his truck - but somehow ended up at the T (on the path to his truck). Why?

I believe T's reason for ending all the way back at the T is a bit more problematic Then Z ending up at the T - towrads his truck.

That does not look like a correction:lol:
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The portion you quoted was only a clarification on how T had 3 minutes to make it to his house, yet somehow ended up at the T. The three minutes may have been off by seconds.

The correction regarding the timeline for T was contained in the video I posted, which showed it was about a 1 minute walk - yet three minutes later.. all the way back at the T.
 
LiberalAvenger said:
I hope so, but remember it's florida, casey anthony turf.
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I agreed with the Casey Anthony verdict. The prosecutors overcharged her. They set themselves up to fail.

Two things that are different in this case that will ensure the prosecution will succeed:

1. M2/manslaughter charges are appropriate, Zimmerman (& Casey Anthony at least evidence that was submitted-wise) did not plan to kill. Or there is/was no evidence available to show premeditated murder.

2. Zimmerman yapping to everyone who will listen, from the SPD to Hannity. I do not recall Casey Anthony going on Hannity:lol:
 
What if...? said:
I'm still not convinced that it started at the t. I think Z was down between the buildings when they came together.

And Ds testimony would be fragmentary at best, even if it wasn't possibly contaminated by exposure to Zs story.

She couldn't SEE what was happening. She had never been there.
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I agree. the walk through video Zimmerman did didn't add up.

I don't think the fight started where he claimed. I think he walked between the buildings. It's hard to believe a scuffle would travel a far. It's also hard to believe he grabbed his gun in the manner he demonstrated. I would have to see a reenactment.
 
JackFrost said:
I agreed with the Casey Anthony verdict. The prosecutors overcharged her. They set themselves up to fail.

Two things that are different in this case that will ensure the prosecution will succeed:

1. M2/manslaughter charges are appropriate, Zimmerman (& Casey Anthony at least evidence that was submitted-wise) did not plan to kill. Or there is/was no evidence available to show premeditated murder.

2. Zimmerman yapping to everyone who will listen, from the SPD to Hannity. I do not recall Casey Anthony going on Hannity:lol:
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Didn't the jury have the option of convicting her of lesser offenses? I thought they did?

Hannity is a whack job. Z is making a killing off of his killing, imo.
 
I wonder what Zimmerman thought and how he felt, when he learned Trayvon did belong in his neighborhood and was just walking home with candy and tea.
 
buck said:
And evidence you have supporting that?

T was allegedly discussing with her what was occuring. I discount a lot of her testimony, as i've already indicated, but I do believe that it is clear from her testimony that he was not hiding. SHe would not have hesitated to bring that up, unless there was a reason outside the normal for his hiding.
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And that would be because he was hiding, not out of fear, but in an effort to lay in wait.
Which is why she doesn't say anything. It would totally support Zimmerman and his actions.




What if...? said:
Why is it that y'all are.so hung up on how long it would have taken M to get home and don't care at all about how long it took Z to get back halfway back to his truck?
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If you think they are comparatively equal, you are mistaken.

Zimmerman not making it back to his truck doesn't matter one bit as we already know he was interested in keeping eyes on this suspicious person in order to point them out to the police.

Trayvon not making it back to the place he was staying when he could suggests he had nefarious intentions.
Coupled with his actual attack on Zimmerman the reason he didn't becomes obvious.


What if...? said:
We have a good bit of time unaccounted for. Right at the critical moments.
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It is accounted for.


What if...? said:
Apparently out of character behavior on Ms part.
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No evidence supports such a statement.


What if...? said:
And a clear effort to deceive the court on Zs part per the bail thing.
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You have no evidence of such.
None.
No evidence what-so-ever to suggest an intention deception on the part of Zimmerman or family.


What if...? said:
His steel dick and hollow point balls got him into a situation he wasn't prepared to deal with like a responsible adult. And somebody died.
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Somebody died because they attacked someone.




JackFrost said:
And? Zimmerman could have been back to his vehicle.

Neither one was breaking the law by being at the T. Moot point.
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It isn't moot.
As already stated.
Zimmerman not making it back to his truck doesn't matter one bit as we already know he was interested in keeping eyes on this suspicious person in order to point them out to the police.

Trayvon not making it back to the place he was staying when he could suggests he had nefarious intentions.
Coupled with his actual attack on Zimmerman the reason he didn't becomes obvious.​




SheWolf said:
It's hard to believe a scuffle would travel a far.
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For who? You?

For those who know - No is isn't hard to believe at all.


SheWolf said:
I wonder what Zimmerman thought and how he felt, when he learned Trayvon did belong in his neighborhood and was just walking home with candy and tea.
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As Trayvon wasn't just walking home with a watermelon drink and skittles but involved in suspicious activity and in an unjustified attack on him.
I hope he doesn't lose any sleep over it.
 
dolphinocean said:
Trayvon's cellphone: O'Mara: State has unlocked trove of info from Trayvon's cellphone - Orlando Sentinel



If Trayvon's movement could be tracked that night leading up to the shot fired by Zimmerman that killed him, then O'mara shouldn't worry a thing about it being so hard that required "hundreds of more hours of work for defense attorneys" if Zimmerman is telling the truth, should it?

So, all these excuses to delay the trial after spending all these $300,000 of donation money and more pouring in for expert witness expense, I mean, didn't Bill Lee and Serino stood by Zimmerman and claimed all evidence supported Zimmerman's account of what happened that night? If that's so, why the need for asking to delay the stand your ground trial? Didn't Bill Lee let Zimmerman walk based on stand your ground law?
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OMara claims they spent 200 hours getting rid of judge Lester.
 
sharon said:
OMara claims they spent 200 hours getting rid of judge Lester.
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1. Proof?
2. So ****ing what? Or in other words ~ Pertinence?
 
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