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The Paperwork has been FILED: George Zimmerman Civil Suit

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hawke812 said:
According to paperwork filed on behalf of Crump by Orlando attorney Bruce Blackwell, "Attorney Crump has been retained by the victim's parents to assert civil claims against defendant…."

Crump to sue George Zimmerman: Trayvon's parents hired Crump to go after George Zimmerman's money - Orlando Sentinel

1. Trayvon Martin's family filed paperwork intending to sue George Zimmerman
2. Benjamin Crump Will fight the deposition

Poor Georgie:(
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After I bought my first gun, I took a course in home protection. During the course of lessons, he explained that, "If you do shoot someone in self-defense? Prepare to spend at least $25,000 protecting yourself from the law." He didn't know the half of it.
 
MaggieD said:
After I bought my first gun, I took a course in home protection. During the course of lessons, he explained that, "If you do shoot someone in self-defense? Prepare to spend at least $25,000 protecting yourself from the law." He didn't know the half of it.
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As it should be. I do not believe that we should let violent deaths go unscrutinized even when the person appears justified in the killing. As for the cost, I suppose someone could do it on their own if need be......
 
Fisher said:
As it should be. I do not believe that we should let violent deaths go unscrutinized even when the person appears justified in the killing. As for the cost, I suppose someone could do it on their own if need be......
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I don't disagree. Just that an "investigation" shouldn't necessarily cost a person $25,000. I think his point is that you can just about count on charges being brought. ?
 
MaggieD said:
After I bought my first gun, I took a course in home protection. During the course of lessons, he explained that, "If you do shoot someone in self-defense? Prepare to spend at least $25,000 protecting yourself from the law." He didn't know the half of it.
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Indeed.

This is one of the reasons why I do not chase unarmed teenagers walking home from 7-11 in the dark.
 
MaggieD said:
I don't disagree. Just that an "investigation" shouldn't necessarily cost a person $25,000. I think his point is that you can just about count on charges being brought. ?
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In my area that is likely since it will be presented to a grand jury and they just rubber stamp charges usually. Quite frankly, when the police and prosecution was on his side in the beginning, I have trouble seeing why an innocent man would need a $500K and growing legal defense without the trial even happening. I feel like he is being played by somebody for some reason or he is guilty as sin. IDK. This is not a matter I really care about in the end no matter which way the shoe drops.
 
Fisher said:
In my area that is likely since it will be presented to a grand jury and they just rubber stamp charges usually. Quite frankly, when the police and prosecution was on his side in the beginning, I have trouble seeing why an innocent man would need a $500K and growing legal defense without the trial even happening. I feel like he is being played by somebody for some reason or he is guilty as sin. IDK. This is not a matter I really care about in the end no matter which way the shoe drops.
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I hate to admit it, but I feel sorry for the guy. I don't think he's a murderer. Whatever happened, I don't think he just decided to shoot TM. I think he got overwhelmed and genuinely feared for his life. There's nothing in his background to indicate he was a violent person or a bully, in my opinion.

I hope he gets a fair trial. Can the state prove who yelled help? And if they can, is that really relevant? I'm not sure it is. No one saw it. Guilty beyond a reasonable doubt...hard to imagine that would happen.

But whichever way it goes, the guy's life is ruined.
 
In this particular case I hate that a defendent can be cleared of all charges in criminal court and then be sued in civil court like this. No one is going to gain satisfaction here, no matter the disposition of the cases.
 
clownboy said:
In this particular case I hate that a defendent can be cleared of all charges in criminal court and then be sued in civil court like this. No one is going to gain satisfaction here, no matter the disposition of the cases.
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It happens. Like the juice.
 
clownboy said:
In this particular case I hate that a defendent can be cleared of all charges in criminal court and then be sued in civil court like this. No one is going to gain satisfaction here, no matter the disposition of the cases.
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What did you think about OJ being cleared then sued by the Goldman's?
 
MaggieD said:
I hate to admit it, but I feel sorry for the guy. I don't think he's a murderer. Whatever happened, I don't think he just decided to shoot TM. I think he got overwhelmed and genuinely feared for his life. There's nothing in his background to indicate he was a violent person or a bully, in my opinion.

I hope he gets a fair trial. Can the state prove who yelled help? And if they can, is that really relevant? I'm not sure it is. No one saw it. Guilty beyond a reasonable doubt...hard to imagine that would happen.

But whichever way it goes, the guy's life is ruined.
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Which is why I do not follow cases like this too closely. There are just no winners.
 
hawke812 said:
Indeed.

This is one of the reasons why I do not chase unarmed teenagers walking home from 7-11 in the dark.
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who do you know who has done that?
certainly does not have a bearing on the zimmerman-martin case
 
MaggieD said:
I hate to admit it, but I feel sorry for the guy. I don't think he's a murderer. Whatever happened, I don't think he just decided to shoot TM. I think he got overwhelmed and genuinely feared for his life. There's nothing in his background to indicate he was a violent person or a bully, in my opinion.

I hope he gets a fair trial. Can the state prove who yelled help? And if they can, is that really relevant? I'm not sure it is. No one saw it. Guilty beyond a reasonable doubt...hard to imagine that would happen.

But whichever way it goes, the guy's life is ruined.
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actually, that is one of the few things i see which could incriminate zimmerman
if the voice repeatedly screaming for help was martin's, then i don't see how a self defense plea would stand
 
spanky said:
What did you think about OJ being cleared then sued by the Goldman's?
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That's why I said, "In this particular case". OJ had deep pockets AND only got away with it because of the sham made of his trial.

But hey, that's why I didn't say it shouldn't be allowed.
 
It is no surprise. Lawyers will get clients to file a suit over almost anything. Like the criminal case, filing suit proves nothing, except,

Welcome to the United States of Litigation.
 
Fisher said:
As it should be. I do not believe that we should let violent deaths go unscrutinized even when the person appears justified in the killing. As for the cost, I suppose someone could do it on their own if need be......
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In this case there is no justification for cold blooded murder. Trayvon was minding his own business, not committing any crime. It looks like his only transgression was wearing a hoodie while black.

Zimmerman pursued Trayvon after being told by the police dispatcher to stand down. If Zimmerman had stayed in his car instead of confronting Trayvon (possibly with his gun alreay drawn), there would be no reason for a murder trial today.

Trayvon's parents are within their right to file a civil claim against Zimmerman. I wish them well.
 
mike2810 said:
It is no surprise. Lawyers will get clients to file a suit over almost anything. Like the criminal case, filing suit proves nothing, except,

Welcome to the United States of Litigation.
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The criminal case will most certainly prove that he is guilty if he is convicted
 
66gardeners said:
The criminal case will most certainly prove that he is guilty if he is convicted
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well, yes.
My point is it is not surprising that a civil suit was filed. The civil case stands on its own. Doesn't matter the outcome of the criminal case.

In the US, one can file suit over about anything.
 
mike2810 said:
well, yes.
My point is it is not surprising that a civil suit was filed. The civil case stands on its own. Doesn't matter the outcome of the criminal case.

In the US, one can file suit over about anything.
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Well they can try, at least. Some cases get thrown out pretty quickly. This one won't.
 
What this is all about...is the stand your ground law in FL.

Like Roe vs Wade, or other large cases, this is going to have a ripple effect, depending on the way the shoe drops, that will be felt for years, decades, even, in FL law. The murder/involuntary homicide/self defense is the least of what is on trial...the law itself is.
 
66gardeners said:
Well they can try, at least. Some cases get thrown out pretty quickly. This one won't.
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you are most likely correct that this civil case will go forward.

If found in the plantiffs favor, it will be interesting to see how much they will actually collect. If found in Z's favor, wonder how much he should be awarded?
 
mike2810 said:
you are most likely correct that this civil case will go forward.

If found in the plantiffs favor, it will be interesting to see how much they will actually collect. If found in Z's favor, wonder how much he should be awarded?
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What should be awarded either way is conjecture at this point in time.
 
Here we go again... The baseless assumptions and mis-information never seem to end.

66gardeners said:
In this case there is no justification for cold blooded murder.
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Where has that been proved? If it was "cold blooded murder" as you say, then why didn't the state file Murder 1 charges?


Trayvon was minding his own business, not committing any crime.
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Then how come the fight took place where it did? How come he has no other injuries except the gun shot wound, while Zimmerman had the hell beat out of him? Does that translate into "minding his own business" to you?

It looks like his only transgression was wearing a hoodie while black.
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The race card... Wow, didn't think anyone would bring that one in again.

Zimmerman pursued Trayvon after being told by the police dispatcher to stand down.
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How do you know that? Have you forgotten that 1. it isn't an order that he was required to follow, and 2, he replied "OK" to that request and stopped running?


If Zimmerman had stayed in his car instead of confronting Trayvon (possibly with his gun alreay drawn), there would be no reason for a murder trial today.
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And if Martin would have continued home instead of hanging around, confronting Zimmerman and then assaulting him, there would be no reason for a murder trial today.

Trayvon's parents are within their right to file a civil claim against Zimmerman. I wish them well.
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Not if Zimmerman is found not guilty.
 
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