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Florida Statute 782.04

JackFrost

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Key to understanding a guilty verdict. Keep it simple.

Orange-Unlawful killing

Red-Depraved mind

Green-Act imminently dangerous to another


Murder (2)
The unlawful killing of a human being, when perpetrated by any act imminently dangerous to another and evincing a depraved mind regardless of human life, although without any premeditated design to effect the death of any particular individual, is murder in the second degree...

1. "These assholes, they always get away."
2. "****ing Punks"
3. "He's running!"
4. "Are you following him?"
5. "Yeah."
George Zimmerman 911 call about Trayvon Martin UnRedacted - YouTube

6. "Screams for help not George Zimmerman's."
Expert Voice Analysists Say 911 Screams are NOT From Zimmerman - YouTube

7. "I just grabbed my firearm, and shot him."
George Zimmerman Reenactment Of Trayvon Martin Shooting (Part 2) - YouTube

8. Would not do anything differently
9. "God's Plan"
George Zimmerman FOX Interview: Says Shooting Was 'God's Plan' to Sean Hannity (2012) - YouTube

Nothing Else Matters
Metallica - Nothing Else Matters (Video) - YouTube
 
LMMFAO.... I guess it was only a matter of time before you tried applying your baseless, irrelevant speculation to an actual piece of Florida law. Too bad you can't overcome the SYG self defense laws and show me exactly what evidence you have that proves Zimmerman's actions were not justified by that law... Because without any such evidence, your beliefs are nothing but a joke hawke.
 
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hawke812 said:
Key to understanding a guilty verdict. Keep it simple.

Orange-Unlawful killing

Red-Depraved mind

Green-Act imminently dangerous to another


Murder (2)
The unlawful killing of a human being, when perpetrated by any act imminently dangerous to another and evincing a depraved mind regardless of human life, although without any premeditated design to effect the death of any particular individual, is murder in the second degree...

1. "These assholes, they always get away."
2. "****ing Punks"
3. "He's running!"
4. "Are you following him?"
5. "Yeah."
George Zimmerman 911 call about Trayvon Martin UnRedacted - YouTube

6. "Screams for help not George Zimmerman's."
Expert Voice Analysists Say 911 Screams are NOT From Zimmerman - YouTube

7. "I just grabbed my firearm, and shot him."
George Zimmerman Reenactment Of Trayvon Martin Shooting (Part 2) - YouTube

8. Would not do anything differently
9. "God's Plan"
George Zimmerman FOX Interview: Says Shooting Was 'God's Plan' to Sean Hannity (2012) - YouTube

Nothing Else Matters
Metallica - Nothing Else Matters (Video) - YouTube
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Lol....What an embarrassment

You don't understand nor comprehend what you wrote
 
ric27 said:
Lol....What an embarrassment

You don't understand nor comprehend what you wrote
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It's really sad seeing the extent a person is willing go just to prop up their political and ideological beliefs... Self respect becomes meaningless and just vanishes... It's difficult to watch at times without cringing, and this is definitely one of those times.
 
Grim17 said:
LMMFAO.... I guess it was only a matter of time before you tried applying your baseless, irrelevant speculation to an actual piece of Florida law. Too bad you can't overcome the SYG self defense laws and show me exactly what evidence you have that proves Zimmerman's actions were not justified by that law... Because without any such evidence, your beliefs are nothing but a joke hawke.
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Like GZ, the men in the first three cases placed themselves/others in danger by their own actions. And the last two...if they can't get off no one should be able to:lol:

I been reading up on self-defense cases for a long time. GZ should have stayed in his vehicle and wait for police. He would still be failing his college courses and a lot less fat than he is now:lol:

1. "Are you following him?"
2. "Yes."



Raul Rodriguez sentenced to 40 years
Texas man gets 40 year sentence in stand-your-ground case | Fox News

Trevor Dooly sentenced to 8 years
Trevor Dooley sentenced to 8 years for manslaughter - Tampa Bay Times

Van Dyke sentenced to 6 years
Jacksonville 60-year-old sentenced to almost 6 years for killing brother-in-law | jacksonville.com

John McNeil sentenced to life in prison
Family, activists demand release of man in prison for defending his property | theGrio

Rayon McIntosh back in jail (not sure how long)
McDonald's cashier claims self-defense after brutal attack on female customers with metal bar - NY Daily News
 
hawke812 said:
Like GZ, the men in the first three cases placed themselves/others in danger by their own actions. And the last two...if they can't get off no one should be able to:lol:

I been reading up on self-defense cases for a long time. GZ should have stayed in his vehicle and wait for police. He would still be failing his college courses and a lot less fat than he is now:lol:
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You can post other cases till the cows come home, but there still isn't any evidence that proves that George Zimmerman wasn't acting in self defense according to Florida law.
 
Grim17 said:
You can post other cases till the cows come home, but there still isn't any evidence that proves that George Zimmerman wasn't acting in self defense according to Florida law.
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Just because you say so, which you are literally doing, does not mean there is no evidence.

There is evidence, and it will be enough for a conviction. If you want to continue literally "saying" there is no evidence without providing any to support your belief, that is fine. It will just be that much more difficult for you to accept when George is convicted.
 
Grim, how about you provide/show an example of this evidence you speak of? All you are doing is saying "not enough evidence".

Can you provide a similar case where key evidence is present, but not in this case? Or just make an example for this case, where it would change your view on it.
 
hawke812 said:
Just because you say so, which you are literally doing, does not mean there is no evidence.

There is evidence, and it will be enough for a conviction. If you want to continue literally "saying" there is no evidence without providing any to support your belief, that is fine. It will just be that much more difficult for you to accept when George is convicted.
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Hear me, and hear me good hawke... There is no evidence that has been made public thus far, that proves that the shooting of Trayvon Martin by George Zimmerman was not an act of self defense according to Florida law.

Neither you, or anyone else has presented anything that even comes close.
 
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hawke812 said:
Grim, how about you provide/show an example of this evidence you speak of?
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OK... What you have provided is a perfect example of someone not providing evidence that proves someones guilt.

All you are doing is saying "not enough evidence".
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I am saying no such thing... I am saying there is NO EVIDENCE AT ALL that's been presented, proving that George Zimmerman did not act in self defense according to Florida law.
 
hawke812 said:
Grim, how about you provide/show an example of this evidence you speak of? All you are doing is saying "not enough evidence".

Can you provide a similar case where key evidence is present, but not in this case? Or just make an example for this case, where it would change your view on it.
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The prosecution/state must prove Z's guilt at the jury (that's if it goes to trial) trial beyond a reasonable doubt.

Not only the state has the burden of proving guilt beyond a reasonable doubt, it must disprove self-defense.

Z must prove squat/zilch. The burden is on the state.....or on YOU
 
hawke812 said:
I been reading up on self-defense cases for a long time.
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:doh
iLOL

Reading and understanding are two different things.
Thus far you have shown that you do not understand what you read.


hawke812 said:
1. "Are you following him?"
2. "Yes."
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:doh
Damn, all that reading and it hasn't taught you that going in the same direction someone has is "following".
Figures!



Sadly the reading didn't help with the following either.
hawke812 said:
Raul Rodriguez sentenced to 40 years ~ Not Similar! Not Florida!


Trevor Dooly sentenced to 8 years ~ Not Similar!


Van Dyke sentenced to 6 years ~ Not Similar!


John McNeil sentenced to life in prison ~ Not Similar! Not Florida! And a miscarriage of justice.


Rayon McIntosh back in jail (not sure how long) ~ Not Similar! Not Florida! A Grand Jury refused to indict and he was freed.
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What we do know, that in Florida, simply having a bag of car radios swung at you is enough to use deadly force against the person in self defense.
So getting ones head slammed into the ground would clearly qualify as a prerequisite to use deadly force in self-defense.
Just as a person going for your gun with the stated intent of killing you would also qualify.
 
Grim17 said:
OK... What you have provided is a perfect example of someone not providing evidence that proves someones guilt.




I am saying no such thing... I am saying there is NO EVIDENCE AT ALL that's been presented, proving that George Zimmerman did not act in self defense according to Florida law.
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1. You are not providing an example for discussion's sake, just attacking
2. Exactly, "all you are saying..."
 
hawke812 said:
1. You are not providing an example for discussion's sake, just attacking
2. Exactly, "all you are saying..."
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1. What do you mean "example?"

2. You stated I was saying there was not enough evidence, when I was saying there is no evidence that proves Zimmerman wasn't acting in self defense. I'm sorry, but that is a fact.
 
Grim17 said:
LMMFAO.... I guess it was only a matter of time before you tried applying your baseless, irrelevant speculation to an actual piece of Florida law. Too bad you can't overcome the SYG self defense laws and show me exactly what evidence you have that proves Zimmerman's actions were not justified by that law... Because without any such evidence, your beliefs are nothing but a joke hawke.
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I think you should expect OMara to waive the immunity hearing. George will have to testify and then be subject to cross. He's told too many different accounts.

This case gets messier.. While we don't know exactly what happened, none of GZ's stories add up.
 
Grim17 said:
It's really sad seeing the extent a person is willing go just to prop up their political and ideological beliefs... Self respect becomes meaningless and just vanishes... It's difficult to watch at times without cringing, and this is definitely one of those times.
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It's truly embarrassing the ignorance displayed here on part of M supporters....It truly is

The ONLY thing the state has established is that Z killed M, which Z has always accepted.

The state has shown no evidence in making a solid case that a crime was committed *M2* or even that the M's death wasn't justified

My hope is that Z sues the **** out of the state when this ordeal is done
 
sharon said:
I think you should expect OMara to waive the immunity hearing. George will have to testify and then be subject to cross. He's told too many different accounts.

This case gets messier.. While we don't know exactly what happened, none of GZ's stories add up.
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Look sharon, it's really very simple... Just read Florida's self defense laws which clearly state what justifies the use of lethal force for someone who is the victim of aggression, as well as someone who is the actual aggressor in a confrontation. You will see that based on Zimmerman's account of what took place that night, either way he was acting in self defense according to those laws.

So in order for you to prove he did not act in self defense and is guilty of murdering Travon Martin, you must produce evidence that directly contradicts those specific parts of the law that grant him legal justification for his actions. Since nothing he did leading up to the confrontation was illegal, that's what you're faced with having to do sharon to prove his guilt.

For example, if the law said that anyone who claps their hands during a confrontation can not use lethal force to defend themselves, then you providing direct evidence showing he had in fact clapped his hands, would prove he didn't act in self defense under Florida law and was in fact guilty of murder.

So take a look at the law, and then try and provide evidence that proves his actions don't legally qualify as self defense.
 
Grim17 said:
1. What do you mean "example?"

2. You stated I was saying there was not enough evidence, when I was saying there is no evidence that proves Zimmerman wasn't acting in self defense. I'm sorry, but that is a fact.
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Not enough evidence to convict Zimmerman of murder?

You are a broken record. ALL you are doing is stating there is no evidence to convict George Zimmerman....that is your whole argument. Do you get it now? You do not present anything. Zero. Nada. Zilch.

The following is your whole argument:

"There is no evidence..."

How does one discuss the case when one party does nothing but ignore everything about the case?

No evidence? Why even come here when you do nothing but ignore everything about the case? Without the state's evidence, there would be nothing. There would be no case. There would be no Zimmerman/Martin forums.

So obviously, there has to be "something", and not "nothing" as you falsely claim.

You going to continue to sound like a broken record, or offer something more than "no evidence"?
 
Grim17 said:
Since nothing he did leading up to the confrontation was illegal, that's what you're faced with having to do sharon to prove his guilt.
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What is the relevance of actions being "illegal" or "legal" leading up to the confrontation?

Raul Rodriguez walking over to his neighbor's hours to complain was not illegal, but got 40 years.
Texas man gets 40 year sentence in stand-your-ground case | Fox News

Trevor Dooley walking outside to yell at a skateboarder was not illegal, but got 8 years.
Trevor Dooley sentenced to 8 years for manslaughter - Tampa Bay Times

Van Dyke was not doing anything illegal leading up to the confrontation, but was sentenced to 6 years.
Jacksonville 60-year-old sentenced to almost 6 years for killing brother-in-law | jacksonville.com

John McNeil was not doing anything illegal leading up to the confrontation, but was sentenced to life.
Family, activists demand release of man in prison for defending his property | theGrio
 
hawke812 said:
Not enough evidence to convict Zimmerman of murder?

You are a broken record. ALL you are doing is stating there is no evidence to convict George Zimmerman....that is your whole argument. Do you get it now? You do not present anything. Zero. Nada. Zilch.

The following is your whole argument:

"There is no evidence..."

How does one discuss the case when one party does nothing but ignore everything about the case?

No evidence? Why even come here when you do nothing but ignore everything about the case? Without the state's evidence, there would be nothing. There would be no case. There would be no Zimmerman/Martin forums.

So obviously, there has to be "something", and not "nothing" as you falsely claim.

You going to continue to sound like a broken record, or offer something more than "no evidence"?
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If you gather all the witnesses in this criminal case...most of the state's witnesses seem to help/support Z's self-defense case while the others don't hurt it at all

What does that tell you?
 
Hear me, and hear me good hawke... There is no evidence that has been made public thus far, that proves that the shooting of Trayvon Martin by George Zimmerman was not an act of self defense according to Florida law.

Neither you, or anyone else has presented anything that even comes close.
 
In the OP's analysis, everyone who has posted in the basement has 'a depraved mind."

Calling someone "an asshole" or "a xxxxx punk" to the OP is a "depraved mind?" That is how worthless the OP is.

The verdict is a crap shoot. What works against Zimmerman is the entirely of the Federal and State government is out to convict him, while the government took away nearly all his defense money. So it is $1 BILLION dollars and the full force of government against an ordinary joe because this happened in a critical election stated during the election season.
 
Grim17 said:
Hear me, and hear me good hawke... There is no evidence that has been made public thus far, that proves that the shooting of Trayvon Martin by George Zimmerman was not an act of self defense according to Florida law.

Neither you, or anyone else has presented anything that even comes close.
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Thanks for adding nothing to the discussion.
 
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