• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!
  • Welcome to our archives. No new posts are allowed here.

Latest Zimmerman PR Stunt

JackFrost

Banned
Joined
Jul 12, 2012
Messages
3,471
Reaction score
513
Location
El Monte, California
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Libertarian
Madre de George Zimmerman rompe el silencio en Univision - Univision Noticias

Below is a translation por el gringos.

JR: Jorge Ramos
RZ: Robert Zimmerman Jr.
GZ: Gladys Zimmerman


JR: In his first conversation with Spanish-language TV, joining us here in the studio is Robert Zimmerman, George’s brother. Robert, thanks for being with us.

RZ: Hello, Jorge.

JR: Thank you very much for being here. Thank you. And via satellite, his mother, Gladys Zimmerman, who for safety reasons does not want her face to be shown. Mrs. Zimmerman, thanks for being with us.

GZ: You’re welcome. Hello, Jorge.

JR: Let me start with you. Of course, you’re Peruvian and speak Spanish very well, and this will make this interview with you much easier. The first question is, where is George at this time?

GZ: George is in Seminole County, under court order.

JR: What were the conditions the court imposed on him? Can he leave his home?

GZ: Oh, yes, he can leave home from 6:00 in the morning until 6:00 in the evening.

JR: And does he do it or is he afraid he’ll be recognized?


GZ: There are days he has to do it, mostly for his mental health.

JR: Of course, I assume that at this time, beyond coming and going for basic necessities, I guess he’s not working or doing anything to make a living. Right?

GZ: Unfortunately, Jorge, no. And I doubt that in the future or near future he’ll be able to work and make a living.

JR: Let me start by talking about this case, and I understand that due to legal reasons, there are many things you cannot talk about. You tell me what you can and you cannot talk about. But…

GZ: Sure.

JR: … when you first found out that your son had been involved in this incident in which he shot Trayvon Martin, how did you find out?

GZ: I found out from him.

JR: What did he tell you?

GZ: He told me he’d had an incident and that, unfortunately, he’d had to use a weapon to defend himself.

JR: Regarding the weapon, how is it that George has access to weapons? At home, was it customary to be armed? Was that something that the Zimmermans did?

GZ: Look, let me tell you, we have lived in Virginia most of our lives. We’ve lived there for 31 years, and George lived there for 17 years of his life. He was born there, grew up there, he graduated from high school there, and then he came to Florida. It’s in Florida that the law is different in the sense that people can get weapons, get a license and can carry them. The same thing happens in Virginia, but here I’ve noticed that people can get a weapon, what they call a concealed weapon, and carry the weapon, and it’s no big deal.

JR: And did you know that George had a weapon?

GZ. The reality is that I didn’t know that George had a weapon.

JR: And did you know if George was involved in neighborhood watch activities in the area where he lived?

GZ: Yes, I knew he was helping out, he was very worried about the home burglaries that had happened. I’m familiar with those houses, and I couldn’t believe there were so many burglaries, especially in a gated area, you know?

JR: Very well, and now, I want to get to the point. As you know, your son George is accused of Trayvon Martin’s death, and many people in the United States suspect that he did it for racial reasons. However, you and his lawyers insist that it wasn’t because of race, but rather to defend himself from a personal attack. What is your interpretation? What happened?

GZ: George is not a racist. My family is not racist. That will come out in the evidence. What will also come out in the evidence and what has been seen lately is the photo of my son after he was beaten up. My son defended himself for dear life. The young man who attacked him, for reasons we do not know, left a mark behind and thank God there is a photo that can show that mark. If it weren’t for that mark…

JR: Are you referring to the color photo that shows your son with wounds on his face?

GZ: Exactly. That photo that was turned over to the defense in black and white, and now it has been turned over, thank God, in color, shows how my son was attacked. According to young Martin’s autopsy, he had no marks on him, except the bullet that went into his chest, which unfortunately, killed him.

JR: Well, you say that George wasn’t racist. There are many people who assert that if Trayvon Martin hadn’t been wearing a hoodie and hadn’t been African-American, he’d be alive today. That is, they suggest that all this was motivated simply by the fact that Trayvon Martin was African-American.

GZ: No. This happened because Trayvon attacked my son. If Trayvon Martin hadn’t attacked my son in the savage way he did… Look, Mr. Ramos, if somebody punches you in the nose, I can’t imagine the pain it can cause. But to be punched in the nose, to fall down to the ground, to have someone jump on you and hit you fiercely and bust your head open every time you try to get up, and bang your head against the pavement, and for a neighbor to open the door and say, “Stop, because I’m going to call the cops,” and for that neighbor to provide the description of the person who was hitting him, the one who was lying on the ground, using what they call MMA style, mixed martial arts. I had never seen that sport, but I saw it on YouTube and I was shocked at people getting hit so aggressively.

JR: Now, wasn’t your son’s reaction in using a weapon excessive? Couldn’t he have defended himself in some other way?

GZ: Well, I can’t tell you because I’m not in his shoes. But the only thing I can tell you is this: show the photo of my son like that, in color, and play the tape, that tape in which he asks for help, in what many witnesses say is my son’s voice. Even Trayvon Martin’s father, Mr. Tracy Martin, says that it is my son’s voice. Show those two things together.

JR: I emphasize, you have told us in this show that George is not a racist. I understand, of course, that George and your son Robert went to Peru on several occasions, and you well know that in Latin America there is a lot of discrimination, not only against indigenous groups, but also among people who have darker skin. What did you teach your children regarding the discrimination we have in Latin America? How did you raise them?

GZ: Look, Mr. Ramos, in Peru we have a saying that basically says, “If you’re not one thing, you’re another,” which means that if you don’t have Indian blood in you, you probably have some African blood. In my family, we’re proud of our Afro-Peruvian heritage. My kids know their aunts and uncles; they know our roots, and my roots aren’t with non-Hispanic whites. My roots are Afro-Peruvian. So they have been brought up, not just here at home as a family, but in school, not to notice peoples’ skin color. I call them “my kids” because they are part of my family, because skin color doesn’t mean anything to me either.

JR: Mrs. Zimmerman, as you know, President Barack Obama weighed in on the issue when he said that if he had had a son, he would have looked like Trayvon Martin. How do you respond to that?

GZ: Well, at the beginning it hurt a lot, but now that I know how things developed, because, honestly, Jorge, at the beginning I barely even watched TV. My husband and my doctors forbade me from watching TV. It has all been really traumatic, but now that I’ve seen how Trayvon Martin’s family’ lawyers have presented this case; I don’t blame the President, because they fooled him, too. All of this has to be set straight: all the lies that have been told by Mr. Crump, by Ms. Nathalie Jackson through Ryan Julison of Julison Communications. It all needs to come out, but they told a lie to the nation, to the whole world, and even the President himself.

JR: Mrs. Zimmerman…

GZ: That’s how I feel about this now.

JR: Mrs. Zimmerman, I’ll come back to you in a moment. Now I’m going to go to your son Robert, who is with us in the studio. Robert, thanks again for joining us on Al Punto. Your brother George Zimmerman’s legal team has filed a lawsuit for defamation against NBC. Why?

RZ: Well, George has explained in his own words how they made up a racial narrative, because the facts of this story just weren’t sensational enough for people who wanted to report more. So words like white, black, and gated community were used from the beginning to speculate about what had happened, which was very, very different from what really happened on that day.

JR: The debate is centered on whether your brother acted out of racism or self-defense. What do you know about that? What has your brother told you?

RZ: Well, as a brother, I know we need to ask why Trayvon Martin punched him. You know? Lots of people are focusing on what George did. He did the same thing he did 40 times in one year: he called the police. What George did is that same thing that was done 400 times over 13 months where he lived, in a neighborhood of less than 200 homes around there. Four hundred calls to the police: why? Because there were a lot of robberies, there was a woman with a baby who was just months old, in her bedroom while her house was being robbed, and people were afraid. So I think that what George…

JR: But is this the first time that George has used a handgun to defend himself this way?

RZ: Oh, yes. In the state of Florida, handguns are licensed, but you have to keep them concealed. Back where we were in Virginia, as my mother started to explain, the law is totally opposite. Even without a license, you can carry a handgun just like I have done when I’ve gone out to shoot at a public range as long as it’s in sight.

JR: Do you know if George had a handgun?

RZ: Yes, yes, I had always known that both George and his wife had a permit for that gun. There was an attack, or, an alleged incident in which they could have been attacked by a dog, but that has nothing to do with our case. But at that time a police officer suggested to him, “Look, if you’re so afraid of that dog and if these people don’t keep it under control, it’s better for you to be armed than to wind up in the hospital.”

JR: Okay. So, what’s the next step? What are you folks emphasizing in the defense the fact that you are a Hispanic family?

RZ: No, Jorge, because I think that would be going, well, going backward on the progress we’ve made about race. We are an American family, and what happened that night was a tragedy. That’s what it has always been for our family, but for us to say, “We’re Latinos, and so Latinos need to take our side rather than someone else’s because that person is of a different color,” that wouldn’t be right, either. Now, what has surprised the public is that we are not non-Hispanic whites. That photo of George where he has very light skin is because it was a photocopy, that photo doesn’t look like him. And if that photo had been published in color, if people had known something more about George than just the word non-Hispanic white like they put on all the posters when they were offering $10,000 for him dead or alive, for turning him in…. Well, if they had known something about what really happened that night, maybe we wouldn’t have gotten to this point, but looking ahead, we need to make it clear that not only are we not racists, but the United States, and the whole world are watching us: as my mother said, “They even fooled the President.” Racism in this country is a game that pays really well. Lots of people are looking to make a buck, and there’s a lot of money to be made by alleging racism. You don’t even have to prove it.

JR: George, thanks for being here with us. I appreciate it a lot.

RZ: Thanks.

JR: Mrs. Gladys, thanks for joining us. Before we go, I just wanted to ask why you decided to talk to us, and why we are concealing your face. Do you fear for your life?

GZ: Yes, I fear for my life. I have to protect it, and I have to protect my family. I have an 88-year-old mother to take care of. If I have to come out in defense of my son, the best way I can do it is by keeping my identity concealed. We’ve come on Univision because we trust that it’s a news organization that will get to the truth, and I would love for it to be a Hispanic news organization that goes all the way in search of the truth.

JR: Gladys Zimmerman, thanks for speaking with us.

GZ: You’re welcome.

JR: Robert Zimmerman, thanks for being here.

RZ: Thanks, Jorge.

JR. Thanks to both of you.
 
((( shakes head)))
 
GZ: Look, Mr. Ramos, in Peru we have a saying that basically says, “If you’re not one thing, you’re another,” which means that if you don’t have Indian blood in you, you probably have some African blood. In my family, we’re proud of our Afro-Peruvian heritage. My kids know their aunts and uncles; they know our roots, and my roots aren’t with non-Hispanic whites. My roots are Afro-Peruvian. So they have been brought up, not just here at home as a family, but in school, not to notice peoples’ skin color. I call them “my kids” because they are part of my family, because skin color doesn’t mean anything to me either.

This is odd because Christina Meza (Johnson), Gladys Zimmerman's own niece, says otherwise:lol:

Witness #9 Files: Trayvon Martin / George Zimmerman Case | AxiomAmnesia.com Presents They Always Get Away: Trayvon Martin/George Zimmerman Documents, Photos, Videos, Audio, and Articles
 
GZ: Look, Mr. Ramos, in Peru we have a saying that basically says, “If you’re not one thing, you’re another,” which means that if you don’t have Indian blood in you, you probably have some African blood. In my family, we’re proud of our Afro-Peruvian heritage. My kids know their aunts and uncles; they know our roots, and my roots aren’t with non-Hispanic whites. My roots are Afro-Peruvian. So they have been brought up, not just here at home as a family, but in school, not to notice peoples’ skin color. I call them “my kids” because they are part of my family, because skin color doesn’t mean anything to me either. . . .

Madre de George Zimmerman rompe el silencio en Univision - Univision Noticias

Below is a translation por el gringos.

JR: Jorge Ramos
RZ: Robert Zimmerman Jr.
GZ: Gladys Zimmerman


JR: In his first conversation with Spanish-language TV, joining us here in the studio is Robert Zimmerman, George’s brother. Robert, thanks for being with us.

RZ: Hello, Jorge.

JR: Thank you very much for being here. Thank you. And via satellite, his mother, Gladys Zimmerman, who for safety reasons does not want her face to be shown. Mrs. Zimmerman, thanks for being with us.

GZ: You’re welcome. Hello, Jorge....

What a vicious, rotten, under-handed, scheming plot. I cannot believe the umbrage of this family to come out and speak LIE AFTER LIE AFTER LIE AFTER LIE in defense of their son. Bastards, all of 'em.

(That would be sarcasm.)
 
What a vicious, rotten, under-handed, scheming plot. I cannot believe the umbrage of this family to come out and speak LIE AFTER LIE AFTER LIE AFTER LIE in defense of their son. Bastards, all of 'em.

(That would be sarcasm.)

Not sure why you hate them. It is human nature to try and defend one's own family.

Anyways I did find a lie and a discrepancy. I posted the discrepancy above (her family does not notice skin color).

The lie:
GZ: Well, I can’t tell you because I’m not in his shoes. But the only thing I can tell you is this: show the photo of my son like that, in color, and play the tape, that tape in which he asks for help, in what many witnesses say is my son’s voice. Even Trayvon Martin’s father, Mr. Tracy Martin, says that it is my son’s voice. Show those two things together.

Tracy Martin never stated it was George Zimmerman's voice on the recording. He was never asked that question. Why would someone be called in to a police station to identify someone they do not even know?
 
Nothing new here.
 
Nothing new here.

Of course you would ignore Gladys Zimmerman spreading false information of Tracy Martin identifying her son's voice as the one screaming for help as nothing new. How much did they pay you joko:lamo
 
Not sure why you hate them. It is human nature to try and defend one's own family.

Anyways I did find a lie and a discrepancy. I posted the discrepancy above (her family does not notice skin color).

The lie:
GZ: Well, I can’t tell you because I’m not in his shoes. But the only thing I can tell you is this: show the photo of my son like that, in color, and play the tape, that tape in which he asks for help, in what many witnesses say is my son’s voice. Even Trayvon Martin’s father, Mr. Tracy Martin, says that it is my son’s voice. Show those two things together.

Tracy Martin never stated it was George Zimmerman's voice on the recording. He was never asked that question. Why would someone be called in to a police station to identify someone they do not even know?


Not that truth matters in any of this, but he said it wasn't his son. Since there were only 2 possible people...
 
Of course you would ignore Gladys Zimmerman spreading false information of Tracy Martin identifying her son's voice as the one screaming for help as nothing new. How much did they pay you joko:lamo

The one again trying to spread something false is you. :roll:
 
Of course you would ignore Gladys Zimmerman spreading false information of Tracy Martin identifying her son's voice as the one screaming for help as nothing new. How much did they pay you joko:lamo

That is a technicality.
Tracy said it wasn't his son, so by default and process of elimination, he said it was Zimmerman.
 
That is a technicality.
Tracy said it wasn't his son, so by default and process of elimination, he said it was Zimmerman.

No matter how you try to spin it, Tracy Martin did not say it was Zimmerman:lol:
 
No matter how you try to spin it, Tracy Martin did not say it was Zimmerman:lol:
Wrong!
As stated. "Tracy said it wasn't his son, so by default and process of elimination, he said it was Zimmerman."


So if it wasn't his son hawke812, who was it? Huh?
Go ahead.
You can say it.
You can tell us because we already know.
 
Wrong!
As stated. "Tracy said it wasn't his son, so by default and process of elimination, he said it was Zimmerman."


So if it wasn't his son hawke812, who was it? Huh?
Go ahead.
You can say it.
You can tell us because we already know.

Provide text from a statement, audio or interview in which Tracy Martin said something to the effect of:

Tracy Martin: "It was George Zimmerman".
 
Provide text from a statement, audio or interview in which Tracy Martin said something to the effect of:

Tracy Martin: "It was George Zimmerman".
Don't need to, because as previously stated; "Tracy said it wasn't his son, so by default and process of elimination, he said it was Zimmerman."

You can play obtuse all day long, but it will not change what he said means.
 
Don't need to, because as previously stated; "Tracy said it wasn't his son, so by default and process of elimination, he said it was Zimmerman."

You can play obtuse all day long, but it will not change what he said means.

Tracy Martin: "No."

Tracy Martin: "That is George Zimmerman screaming for help."

He reportedly said one of these things to Serino. One is the truth, the other is a lie.
 
Tracy Martin: "No."

Tracy Martin: "That is George Zimmerman screaming for help."

He reportedly said one of these things to Serino. One is the truth, the other is a lie.

Again. Stop playing obtuse.

They are both true.
One being his actual words and the other the default and only other option available by process of elimination.

If it is not his son, it has to be Zimmerman.
You know that. So stop playing obtuse.
When he says it is not my son, he is saying it is the other guy. which has to be Zimmerman by default.
 
Again. Stop playing obtuse.

They are both true.
One being his actual words and the other the default and only other option available by process of elimination.

If it is not his son, it has to be Zimmerman.
You know that. So stop playing obtuse.
When he says it is not my son, he is saying it is the other guy. which has to be Zimmerman by default.

We all know how it works, except Gladys Zimmerman stated Tracy Martin <said> this, which is a lie.
 
well, we all knew that they aren't whites... only the media did this to sensationalize the news.
 
We all know how it works, except Gladys Zimmerman stated Tracy Martin <said> this, which is a lie.
It is essentially what he said by default. Her statement is not wrong or a lie.

You trying to make an issue out of it is ridiculous.
 
It is essentially what he said by default. Her statement is not wrong or a lie.

You trying to make an issue out of it is ridiculous.

What is ridiculous is you are unable to accept the fact what she said is a lie.

There is no audio or video recording of Tracy Martin "saying" anything. It was only <reported> Tracy Martin said "no", but he cleared it up long ago. Both of Trayvon's parents have said it was their son screaming for help.

911 Calls Are Absolutely Trayvon Martin, His Mother Says - YouTube
 
What is ridiculous is you are unable to accept the fact what she said is a lie.

There is no audio or video recording of Tracy Martin "saying" anything. It was only <reported> Tracy Martin said "no", but he cleared it up long ago. Both of Trayvon's parents have said it was their son screaming for help.

911 Calls Are Absolutely Trayvon Martin, His Mother Says - YouTube
Dude. It is not a lie. It is true by default. Or do you not know what that means?
By process of elimination, that is exactly what he said. And you know it.

As I asked you previously:

Wrong!
As stated. "Tracy said it wasn't his son, so by default and process of elimination, he said it was Zimmerman."


So if it wasn't his son hawke812, who was it? Huh?
Go ahead.
You can say it.
You can tell us because we already know.


And yes, we know he changed his mind after the fact. :doh
After he lawyered up with that dirt-bag Crump.
We also know what that means.

So two witnesses to what was asked and answered compared to him later changing his mind.
:doh iLOL
 
Dude. It is not a lie. It is true by default. Or do you not know what that means?
By process of elimination, that is exactly what he said. And you know it.

As I asked you previously:



And yes, we know he changed his mind after the fact. :doh
After he lawyered up with that dirt-bag Crump.
We also know what that means.

So two witnesses to what was asked and answered compared to him later changing his mind.
:doh iLOL

Trayvon Martin screamed for help, not George Zimmerman.

If someone wrote down something you said, would you not want a chance to clarify yourself? I would.Tracy Martin did.

Also, you brought up "changed his mind after the fact". Let us talk about another person who "changed their mind, after the fact.".

1. "He's Running" (911 Call)
2. "I can't say" (When asked how Martin was running from him)
3. "He wasn't running" (Hannity)

Consistent #1 - YouTube
George Zimmerman 911 call about Trayvon Martin UnRedacted - YouTube


So on one hand, we have a report from a person who said another person said something, and said person clarifies himself. End result, you don't believe him, but believe what the third party says.

On the other hand, we have direct evidence of someone saying something, can't explain upon what he said during an investigation, then does a 180 and says the opposite of what he initially said on a talk show, "after the fact". End result, you believe him.
 
Back
Top Bottom