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Undeniable Objective Evidence

The video was produced with a specific objective in mind, which wasn't a search for truth.

Now it is not a search for truth:roll:

How about you back up all your talk. Link a video discussing evidence in the case objectively, as you put it. Similar to this one. An example if you will. If none exist, you are just nitpicking and not being reasonable.

You don't like the evidence, therefore you disagree with it. That is my take on it.
 
Now it is not a search for truth:roll:

How about you back up all your talk. Link a video discussing evidence in the case objectively, as you put it. Similar to this one. An example if you will. If none exist, you are just nitpicking and not being reasonable.

You don't like the evidence, therefore you disagree with it. That is my take on it.

It's always been a search for the truth, at least for me.

And I'm a big supporter of the evidence, because that's what will be important at trial.
 
You're going to have to be a little clearer than that.
I'm not a Mentat.

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Post #52: How about you back up all your talk. Link a video discussing evidence in the case objectively, as you put it. Similar to this one. An example if you will. If none exist, you are just nitpicking and not being reasonable.

You are saying "this is not objective". Well, show me something that is objective? If you "know" that this video is not objective, then you must have seen one that is, correct? For comparison's sake, let's do this.

I contend that it is in fact objective. It does not give opinions or conjecture, nor does it mislead. What is not objective about it?
 
Post #52: How about you back up all your talk. Link a video discussing evidence in the case objectively, as you put it. Similar to this one. An example if you will. If none exist, you are just nitpicking and not being reasonable.

You are saying "this is not objective". Well, show me something that is objective? If you "know" that this video is not objective, then you must have seen one that is, correct? For comparison's sake, let's do this.

I contend that it is in fact objective. It does not give opinions or conjecture, nor does it mislead. What is not objective about it?

I could give a frak about videos pushing a position rather than a search for truth.
 
Once again, Excon speaking before thinking:lol:
WTF?
You are saying you were stupid enough to think that was what I talking about?

Tell me it ain't so.




I completely agree. He was wrong. There are in fact some people that are some stupid enough ;)

iLOL
I don't think he realizes exactly what you are saying.
:lamo


Funny thing her account.
She says she was looking at them when she heard the sound. With as dark as it was for her, she didn't see any type of muzzle flash.

I seriously doubt she was looking in their direction at that moment.
 
Some people that are some stupid enough:shock:

It was broken up in small pieces and easy to understand yet....you simply don't get it..:roll:
 
Some people that are some stupid enough:shock:

After I hit submit I realized I made the mistake. I thought about going in and editing, but assumed there wouldn't be anyone stupid enough not to realize what was meant. I guess I too have been proven wrong. You really are on a roll with victories today.
 
After I hit submit I realized I made the mistake. I thought about going in and editing, but assumed there wouldn't be anyone stupid enough not to realize what was meant. I guess I too have been proven wrong. You really are on a roll with victories today.

Thanks for admitting defeat:lol:
 
Funny thing her account.
She says she was looking at them when she heard the sound. With as dark as it was for her, she didn't see any type of muzzle flash.

I agree, that is unusual. In my mind I see her hearing the screams for help, rushing to pick up the phone and dial - she almost certainly had to look away to do that - and while doing so heard the pop. By the time she looked back outside, she saw what Z indicated had happened. Z on top pinning TM down then standing up when people arrived outside. She saw just before and just after the shot, but not the actual moment - at least if her account to police is to be believed.
 
I agree, that is unusual. In my mind I see her hearing the screams for help, rushing to pick up the phone and dial - she almost certainly had to look away to do that - and while doing so heard the pop. By the time she looked back outside, she saw what Z indicated had happened. Z on top pinning TM down then standing up when people arrived outside. She saw just before and just after the shot, but not the actual moment - at least if her account to police is to be believed.

Even though she said she was looking at them when she heard the pop:lol:

Oh right, let's make up scenarios to trash witness statement's we don't agree with:lol:

But George Zimmerman is OF LIMITS! THOU SHALT NOT SPEAKATH ILL OF THY SAVIOR GEORGE ZIMMERMNAN. AMEN.
 
Even though she said she was looking at them when she heard the pop:lol:
Yes, even though she said she was looking at them.
Do you not understand that she would have seen a flash of light if she had been looking at them at that moment.
 
Yes, even though she said she was looking at them.
Do you not understand that she would have seen a flash of light if she had been looking at them at that moment.

Really? Like a blinding flash of light and a huge fireball? Her eyebrows would be burned off too:lol:

It is a gun man, not a Roman Candle:lamo
 
Really? Like a blinding flash of light and a huge fireball? Her eyebrows would be burned off too:lol:

It is a gun man, not a Roman Candle:lamo
And thereby proving beyond certainty that you are not objective.
 
All because she did not see the the fireball and smoke from a NASA space shuttle liftoff when the gun fired:roll:
The only person saying such ridiculousness, is you, and that is what demonstrates for all, your lack of objectivity.
 
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Your lack objectivity:shock:
Yes, your lack of objectivity.
If you were being objective you would recognize that she would have seen the effects of the flash, or the flash itself, had she been looking at them when the gun went off, as she said she was.

Instead, you want to engage in ridiculous hyperbole and distraction from your being wrong.
 
Even though she said she was looking at them when she heard the pop:lol:

Oh right, let's make up scenarios to trash witness statement's we don't agree with:lol:

But George Zimmerman is OF LIMITS! THOU SHALT NOT SPEAKATH ILL OF THY SAVIOR GEORGE ZIMMERMNAN. AMEN.

Actually, in the interview with Serino it is not at all what she stated. She didn't state that until she was in a television interview.
 
I've gone over Witness 18 statements and interviews and have come to the conclusion she hasn't necessarily been contradictory, she just doesn't have much to add to the body of evidence.

She says she was looking out her window and saw two people struggling on the ground, actually grass. She can't identify them, all she can say is the "larger" man was on top. From a witness standpoint this is pretty useless as 6'3" TM in a large, baggy hoodie could appear to be the larger man on top. She hears a gunshot.

She says she went to get her phone, which would concur with her statements she was in bed reading a book in her nightie...nobody carries their phone with them when they go to bed. She then walks back to the window and sees Z getting off of TM as she calls 911.

The time it would take for her to retrieve her phone and get back to the window would allow Z the time to roll TM over and get on top of him, as he states.

One item of note, she DOES say when she heard the sound they were on the grass, which is consistent with Z's statement that he maneuvered over to the grass to minimize damage to his head.

I see very little of use in her testimony to either the pross or def. Her statements might be entered as evidence but I doubt she will be called as a witness. She has little substantive to add.

Check that, she will have something substantive to add...for the defense. She will be able conclusively show via her eyewitness testimony that both men were on the ground, one on top of the other, when the shot was fired.

Everything she says seems to corroborate Z's version...at least at that moment.
 
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I've gone over Witness 18 statements and interviews and have come to the conclusion she hasn't necessarily been contradictory, she just doesn't have much to add to the body of evidence.

I find contradiction in her statement. In the serino interview she is not certain if she was looking out the window when the gun went off. in the media interview, he is positive she was. If she is called, she will have to clarify the contradiction and the jury will have to decide for themselves which version they believe.
 
I've gone over Witness 18 statements and interviews and have come to the conclusion she hasn't necessarily been contradictory, she just doesn't have much to add to the body of evidence.

She says she was looking out her window and saw two people struggling on the ground, actually grass. She can't identify them, all she can say is the "larger" man was on top. From a witness standpoint this is pretty useless as 6'3" TM in a large, baggy hoodie could appear to be the larger man on top. She hears a gunshot.

She says she went to get her phone, which would concur with her statements she was in bed reading a book in her nightie...nobody carries their phone with them when they go to bed. She then walks back to the window and sees Z getting off of TM as she calls 911.

The time it would take for her to retrieve her phone and get back to the window would allow Z the time to roll TM over and get on top of him, as he states.

One item of note, she DOES say when she heard the sound they were on the grass, which is consistent with Z's statement that he maneuvered over to the grass to minimize damage to his head.

I see very little of use in her testimony to either the pross or def. Her statements might be entered as evidence but I doubt she will be called as a witness. She has little substantive to add.

Check that, she will have something substantive to add...for the defense. She will be able conclusively show via her eyewitness testimony that both men were on the ground, one on top of the other, when the shot was fired.

Everything she says seems to corroborate Z's version...at least at that moment.

I can't believe this false information is still being circulated. Especially from one who seeks the truth:shock:

Trayvon Martin was 71 (5'11") inches and 158 pounds at the time of his death. The initial police report gives a height of 5'9" for Zimmerman, but no weight.

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2012/images/05/17/trayvon.martin.autopsy.pdf

Change of Subject: Trayvon Martin shooting death -- initial police reports and '911' call transcript

"went to her phone", what?

She stated a larger/heavier man was on top, then saw the same larger/heavier man walk away. Notice how she does not say "taller". Oh but you don't like that, so let's tear this witness apart and make up a thousand-and-one excuses on how her testimony is useless and/or how she will be useful for the defense:lol:

ZIMMERLOGIC FTW!!!!
 
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