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Trial Date Set!!!

dolphinocean said:
So, it's legit to kill a person just because of the music he listened to or the tweet he tweeted? So then it's fine for a mass murderers of prostitutes to do what they do because of the prostitutes' background and past criminal offenses?

What kind of logic is that?

There is no evidence whatsoever to support your insinuation that Trayvon started a fist fight or threatened Zimmerman’s life or reached for his gun with or without provocation or was the aggressor. Why do you persist in unproven assertion as if it were fact?

On the contrary, all the known evidence from Zimmerman’s call to the Sanford police non-emergency line and his defiance against the dispatcher’s instruction not to follow clearly showed that it was Zimmerman who was the aggressor who chased after Trayvon with verbal hostility under his breath even while still on the phone with the dispatcher. Not only this showed his hostile impulsivity towards Trayvon at that time, but it also showed his lack of concern for flaunting his hostility in front of the police dispatcher.

At the same time, in Zimmerman’s own words, Trayvon was trying to run away from him and sought refuge under cover of the darkness between two rows of building where car pursuit was impossible. But, Zimmerman got out of his car to follow no matter what.

Nothing in Zimmerman’s own words during the conversation with the SPD dispatcher had he mentioned anything about Trayvon exhibiting any aggressive behavior toward him while he was in his car doggedly following him. These are what we know per the evidence.

The claim that Trayvon suddenly turned into the aggressor who started a fist fight is a stretch even though there was no physical evidence on his body of any sign of having involved in a severe fight nor any sign of struggle noted in Zimmerman’s clean, stainless and pristine outer jacket nor in his well tucked in inner clothing to concretely prove Trayvon savagely attacked him. Nobody has ruled out the possibility that Zimmerman might have caused his own injuries by hitting his head against something while relentlessly pursuing Trayvon in the dark. There was also no forensic evidence that Trayvon reached for Zimmerman’s gun.

To try to shove down our throat that Zimmerman suddenly changed from a hostile person as evidenced in his police call into a gentle and meek victim who nevertheless won the fight with his gun and that Trayvon, who was trying to run away as evidenced in the police tape by Zimmerman's words, suddenly became an unprovoked killer in and under a dark cover where no one saw how it went down but only Zimmerman's words, is beyond pale.

Having said that, it is not to say that Trayvon absolutely did not struggle or fight with Zimmerman during their encounter or that he did not try to reach for Zimmerman’s gun. At this point without a court trial the most we can say is we don’t know. What we have at this point is Zimmerman’s words after the fact. If Trayvon did all that fighting, who is to say he wasn’t trying to defend himself from the aggressor who relentlessly chose to follow him without a cause? These questions should be addressed and settled in court of law by the jury from evidence presented and cross-examined by both counsels.

Yet, you and your pro-zimmerman cohorts persistently resort to dishonest debate in presenting unsubstantiated claim as fact, evidenced only by Zimmerman’s assertion after the fact. Furthermore, you are also engaging in the fallacy of red herring when the point in contention of this debate is about whether Trayvon, who had just turned 17, was considered a child or an adult.

By your logic, if a person was old enough to join the military then he is old enough to be considered an adult, then you must agree with Iran’s policy of sending 12 to 13 year olds to go to the front line to die as adult soldiers during the Iran-Iraq war while the fattened mullahs and khoumeini sat in their nice sofas telling them on TV that they would get their 72 virgins in heaven. While I see the mullahs and khoumeini as war criminals, you would simply see them as war commanders sending 12 and 13 year old “adults” to their certain death.
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Shall I eviscerate your screed line by line?
 
dolphinocean said:
There is no evidence whatsoever to support your insinuation that Trayvon started a fist fight or threatened Zimmerman’s life or reached for his gun with or without provocation or was the aggressor. Why do you persist in unproven assertion as if it were fact?
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Why you are choosing to ignore the evidence is beyond comprehension.
You are simply wrong.


dolphinocean said:
On the contrary, all the known evidence from Zimmerman’s call to the Sanford police non-emergency line and his defiance against the dispatcher’s instruction not to follow clearly showed that it was Zimmerman who was the aggressor who chased after Trayvon with verbal hostility under his breath even while still on the phone with the dispatcher. Not only this showed his hostile impulsivity towards Trayvon at that time, but it also showed his lack of concern for flaunting his hostility in front of the police dispatcher.
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Here we go again. Wrong! There was no defiance of an instruction. It was nothing more than a suggestion. A suggestion that he was under no obligation to comply with.
Not only that, but he did acknowledge the suggestion and apparently stopped following.


dolphinocean said:
The claim that Trayvon suddenly turned into the aggressor who started a fist fight is a stretch ...
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Over here in reality, it isn't a stretch at all.


dolphinocean said:
The claim that Trayvon suddenly turned into the aggressor who started a fist fight is a stretch even though there was no physical evidence on his body of any sign of having involved in a severe fight nor any sign of struggle ...
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Fight?
Zimmerman was walking away from where Trayvon was laying in wait. When Trayvon approached him from his rear left, verbally confronted him and then assaulted him.
There was no fight. It was an unprovoked assault by Trayvon.


dolphinocean said:
Nobody has ruled out the possibility that Zimmerman might have caused his own injuries by hitting his head against something while relentlessly pursuing Trayvon in the dark.
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:doh
Holy ****. Talk about reaching.
Zimmerman has multiple impact abrasions. There is no likelihood that they were self inflicted.
And there was no "relentlessly" to it. It happened over a short time span.

dolphinocean said:
There was also no forensic evidence that Trayvon reached for Zimmerman’s gun.
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There doesn't need to be, and with what was described, highly unlikely that there would be.




Forget it. You have said too many things that need to be corrected.
 
hawke812 said:
Been over this already. The injuries do not match what he described. At least that is what the lead detective wrote in his report.

"Serino: That’s why we’re here today. Once again, these can be interpreted as capillary-type cuts or whatever, lacerations, uh, not really, um, coinciding with being slammed hard into the ground."

https://www.txantimedia.com/?p=1025
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Think before you give an answer....

How many blows to the head does it take to cause death or serious bodily harm?
 
ric27 said:
Think before you give an answer....
How many blows to the head does it take to cause death or serious bodily harm?
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With what? By whom or what?
One blow caused by a bullet can be sufficient.
1000 blows by a feather could be insufficient.
Is there some relevance to your question?

bonus points:
What reason does Z give for deciding to shoot M?
 
Simon W. Moon said:
With what? By whom or what?
One blow caused by a bullet can be sufficient.
1000 blows by a feather could be insufficient.
Is there some relevance to your question?

bonus points:
What reason does Z give for deciding to shoot M?
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He said he shot Martin because Martin went for his gun.
 
ric27 said:
Think before you give an answer.... -Weak...Ad Hominem:roll:

How many blows to the head does it take to cause death or serious bodily harm? - One...Two...Three. Three:lol:
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Nice red herring there. Why change direction? Let us stick to what Serino stated/concluded in his investigation. The injuries do not coincide with Zimmerman's description of events.
 
OMG. Who the hell cares!? This case is a joke already.

Also, the world ends in less than 2 months in december. Spend your time doing something better than giving a hoot about nothing.
 
Simon W. Moon said:
If you're not sure, I can Google it for you. Just let me know.
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Just the thought of that creates intense fear in me or in any victim....

How, the brain can bleed on the inside *with out a single cut on the out side. How it starts to swell and swell.....

I would be in fear of being killed. This coming from me...thats been in some truly awesome life changing situations

What about you? [FONT=verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif]Or are you[/FONT] in the minority that doesn't think so?
 
Rainman05 said:
OMG. Who the hell cares!? This case is a joke already.

Also, the world ends in less than 2 months in december. Spend your time doing something better than giving a hoot about nothing.
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The case is a joke...but end of world predictions are serious stuff:lol:
 
ric27 said:
Just the thought of that creates intense fear in me or in any victim....
How, the brain can bleed on the inside *with out a single cut on the out side. How it starts to swell and swell.....
I would be in fear of being killed. This coming from me...thats been in some truly awesome life changing situations
What about you? Or are you in the minority that doesn't think so?
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The minority who do not think what exactly?
 
ric27 said:
People do die from head wounds all the time without cuts....correct?
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Yes, it's possible, but I don't know if death by head wounds caused in a fight is the exception or the rule. In other words, more likely to happen than not. I don't have a clue.

However, since we're all awaiting for the trail to unfold all of the evidence, then we can't get all that draconian about this case.

I know, Ric...you and a few others have pointed out that in your opinions...there's enough evidence to view in the public arena to determine the outcome of the case. I've been around a few courtrooms in my life and I've been surprised more than just a few times so I'm more reluctant to call the game so early in the process. And hopefully that doesn't make me a bad person for holding out until the trial ends.
 
His head wounds just contribute to, and corroborate the reasonable fear he was experiencing from Trayvon's words and actions.

He resorted to deadly force because Trayvon went for his firearm and told him he was going to die.
 
ric27 said:
The whole justifiable use of deadly force relies on what critical piece?
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You think I do not think the whole justifiable use of deadly force relies on what critical piece¿?¿?
Wish I could say I know what you're on about.
 
The trial date is set, I imagine there will be few delays outside the usual maneuvering for pre-trial bragging rights.
 
spanky said:
The trial date is set, I imagine there will be few delays outside the usual maneuvering for pre-trial bragging rights.
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There's, the prospect of no trial
 
ric27 said:
There's the prospect of no trial
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HA! No kidding. The prosecution is trying their best to scare Zman into pleading guilty to something, anything.
 
hawke812 said:
Yes, GZ can still try a plea deal.
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Nope....no plea

Its by raising SYG

It's filing a motion to dismiss claiming SYG immunizes Z from prosecution.
 
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