the TM murder case verdict and the Black community

[Kal'Stang]

Good. it's very important we keep a level head in the black community with this one.

Beccause the TSA laws, checkpoints, etc, are for US, not them. keep that in mind and tell your neighbors.

They are itching to call Martial Law on Sanford just to make an example out of the Black Community.

The stone Problem was thrown - TM murdered by GZ and the aftermath of no-justice.

Now they are waiting on the Reaction - Riots/Looting/Acting a fool

so they can come with the Solution - TSA checkpoints throughout the Black Community in Sanford.

This belongs in the conspiracy section of the forums.

 

[joko104]

George Zimmerman is not going to walk away from this. Not gunna' happen.

It is unlikely, but not certain. It depends how stubborn he is and then whether the trial is legitimate. If he refuses to deal and the trial and jury are "fair," it's a roll of the dice.

 

[4Horsemen]

He made the wrong decision by calling the cops, and by expecting them to be there in a timely fashion. He also made a poor choice in allowing TM out of his sight once he had made initial contact. Other than that, I don't see that he did anything wrong.

Maybe in Boyston, calling the cops is a bad idea given their reckless record of "Serve and Neglect", but elsewhere in the country where things are more civilized, calling the cops is getting your money's worth since your tax dollars pay their salaries.

But to your credit Vigilante justice was the thing in 1979. times have changed. catch up.

 

[4Horsemen]

George Zimmerman is not going to walk away from this. Not gunna' happen.

He already has..lol...twice...

1. the night the Cops let him walk after he killed TM
2. After he posted bond with his scamming girlfriend

they are just itching to let him walk.

 

[joko104]

He already has..lol...twice...

1. the night the Cops let him walk after he killed TM
2. After he posted bond with his scamming girlfriend

they are just itching to let him walk.

Who are "they?"

 

[Kal'Stang]

It is unlikely, but not certain. It depends how stubborn he is and then whether the trial is legitimate. If he refuses to deal and the trial and jury are "fair," it's a roll of the dice.

I agree for the most part. If the jury is fair then it is a roll of the dice. Unfortenately with the way that most of the evidence has been given out to the public I doubt that the jury will be fair. No matter which direction the case lands. No matter the verdict someone is going to call foul play and it may be possible that they are right. With all the publicity that this case has finding an impartial jury is going to be next to impossible. I am highly against letting ANY evidence of ANY case being let out to the general public for this very reason. Foreknowledge in this kind of situation just breeds biased opinions. And when those opinions are formed by people before day 1 of the trial it can affect how that trial concludes.

 

[Tettsuo]

He made the wrong decision by calling the cops, and by expecting them to be there in a timely fashion. He also made a poor choice in allowing TM out of his sight once he had made initial contact. Other than that, I don't see that he did anything wrong.

This would make sense only if you discount the following facts:

1. Martin was not doing anything suspicious (other than walking while being young and black). That alone would remove the sole reason for Zimmerman to follow him in the first place.

2. Zimmerman did not identify himself on multiple occasions. When he first spotted him on the street. When he got out of the truck initially. Both were opportunities for him to identify himself.

3. Ignoring the police dispatcher who told him no one needed him to follow TM.

 

[joko104]

I agree for the most part. If the jury is fair then it is a roll of the dice. Unfortenately with the way that most of the evidence has been given out to the public I doubt that the jury will be fair. No matter which direction the case lands. No matter the verdict someone is going to call foul play and it may be possible that they are right. With all the publicity that this case has finding an impartial jury is going to be next to impossible. I am highly against letting ANY evidence of ANY case being let out to the general public for this very reason. Foreknowledge in this kind of situation just breeds biased opinions. And when those opinions are formed by people before day 1 of the trial it can affect how that trial concludes.

In addition, the prosecutor will directly or indirectly make it known the community might experience riots if a not-guilty verdict, that the President identified himself with Trayvon Martin as did numerous other politicians, and will play the race card if any African-Americans are on the jury.

 

[4Horsemen]

Who are "they?"

the Police. they didn't want this thing to get as nasty as it did. they tried to sweep it under the rug but it backfired because of their shoddy police work from the start.

 

[Goshin]

When the verdict comes down, which after all this time, it's most likely gonna end in the scumbag GZ's favor, I would ask that the Black community not cause a riot or act a fool because that's the reaction they want. your emotionally charged reaction that will most likely land you in jail for disturbing the peace.

Who is this "they" to whom you refer?

 

[joko104]

This would make sense only if you discount the following facts:

1. Martin was not doing anything suspicious (other than walking while being young and black). That alone would remove the sole reason for Zimmerman to follow him in the first place.

2. Zimmerman did not identify himself on multiple occasions. When he first spotted him on the street. When he got out of the truck initially. Both were opportunities for him to identify himself.

3. Ignoring the police dispatcher who told him no one needed him to follow TM.

#1 is false. That is not ALL that happened. GZ had only phoned the non-emergency number reporting someone acting suspicion. BUT while doing so, TM came towards GZ angrily - then seeing GZ on the phone turned and ran for no apparent reason for that behavior. You left that part out. Everyone does - yet it was THAT action my TM that started this all spinning out of control.

We'll never know why TM did that. Maybe he thought GZ was selling pot - but then saw him on the phone. Maybe TM was selling pot - then ran to hide it seeing GZ on the phone. Maybe TM was going to ask a question, but then GZ looked scary to him. Maybe... Maybe - but that odd actions after already seeming suspicious wandering around near homes in the dark and in the rain enhanced that suspicion.

In addition, if after calling the police GZ had just waited to tell arriving officers "I don't know where he went" he knew he would just had wasted their time.

It was the approach at GZ and then running merely for seeing GZ on the phone is what started this going out of control.

 

[Tettsuo]

#1 is false. That is not ALL that happened. GZ had only phoned the non-emergency number reporting someone acting suspicion. BUT while doing so, TM came towards GZ angrily - then seeing GZ on the phone turned and ran for no apparent reason for that behavior. You left that part out. Everyone does - yet it was THAT action my TM that started this all spinning out of control.

Zero proof... less than zero. We are talking about things we can prove right? I'm only addressing provable things.

 

[joko104]

Zero proof... less than zero. We are talking about things we can prove right? I'm only addressing provable things.

HUH??? You have NO proof that Martin was not doing anything suspicious. Absolutely none - even less than zero. You have NO proof whatsoever about what Martin was or wasn't doing or why, do you?

 

[Tettsuo]

HUH??? You have NO proof that Martin was not doing anything suspicious. Absolutely none - even less than zero. You have NO proof whatsoever about what Martin was or wasn't doing or why, do you?

Innocent until proven guilty. Or does that only apply to Zimmerman?

 

[Excon]

Zero proof... less than zero. We are talking about things we can prove right? I'm only addressing provable things.

Obviously you are not.

This would make sense only if you discount the following facts:

1. Martin was not doing anything suspicious (other than walking while being young and black). That alone would remove the sole reason for Zimmerman to follow him in the first place.

2. Zimmerman did not identify himself on multiple occasions. When he first spotted him on the street. When he got out of the truck initially. Both were opportunities for him to identify himself.

3. Ignoring the police dispatcher who told him no one needed him to follow TM.

(#1) Trayvon was reported as acting suspiciously.
(#2) Zimmerman was not required to nor did he have too. Just like Trayvon didn't either.

(#3) First of all, saying "we don't need you to" do something, is not something that has to be recognized or even followed.
A telecommunication call taker has no authority to tell anybody to do anything either.
Yet, Zimmerman was on his way back to his vehicle when Trayvon approached him from his left rear.
So basically it is irrelevant.

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the Police. they didn't want this thing to get as nasty as it did. they tried to sweep it under the rug but it backfired because of their shoddy police work from the start.

Again showing that you know not of what you speak.

Just like this other statement by you.

AND..it's very tied up. it's been 2 years already. does it really take that lond to prove self-defense?

 

[Thrilla]

the Police. they didn't want this thing to get as nasty as it did. they tried to sweep it under the rug but it backfired because of their shoddy police work from the start.

the police might be itching to let him walk ( a very odd claim, beings that he was taken into custody and charged)... but he is no longer in their hands, the case is in the hands of the judicial branch.

 

[Thrilla]

When the verdict comes down, which after all this time, it's most likely gonna end in the scumbag GZ's favor, I would ask that the Black community not cause a riot or act a fool because that's the reaction they want. your emotionally charged reaction that will most likely land you in jail for disturbing the peace.

The key is to let it go. GOD will deal with the demons in due time so don't sweat it. TM was murdered and we can look at it as a sign from GOD to us, to "come out of her" so to speak, or we can take this as a slap in the face and start rioting and causing the TSA to ramp up their wicked laws against us even more.

Every action doesn't require an equal an opposite reaction right away.

think about it. eace

the candidates would prefer y'all go ahead and riot... presumably at the airport ( TSA?..what the hell?).... they need the distraction.


I don't see the point in rioting, I don't see the point in the past riots over verdicts...I guess I'm just not in tune with the "black community" enough to understand why rampant property destruction is a viable reaction to a verdict that is irrelevant to their lives.

 

[Tigger]

1. Martin was not doing anything suspicious (other than walking while being young and black). That alone would remove the sole reason for Zimmerman to follow him in the first place.

I'm sorry but I live in a condo complex and anyone wandering around who I don't recognize gets quite a bit of attention from me, too.

2. Zimmerman did not identify himself on multiple occasions. When he first spotted him on the street. When he got out of the truck initially. Both were opportunities for him to identify himself.

He's a legitimate resident in his home area, he has no need to identify himself.

3. Ignoring the police dispatcher who told him no one needed him to follow TM.

Part of the reason not to call the police in the first place.

 

[Meathead]

When the verdict comes down, which after all this time, it's most likely gonna end in the scumbag GZ's favor, I would ask that the Black community not cause a riot or act a fool because that's the reaction they want. your emotionally charged reaction that will most likely land you in jail for disturbing the peace.

The key is to let it go. GOD will deal with the demons in due time so don't sweat it. TM was murdered and we can look at it as a sign from GOD to us, to "come out of her" so to speak, or we can take this as a slap in the face and start rioting and causing the TSA to ramp up their wicked laws against us even more.

Every action doesn't require an equal an opposite reaction right away.

think about it. eace

Brilliant, first call Zimmerman a murdering scumbag and then urge them not to react violently. Friggin brilliant!

 

[4Horsemen]

Brilliant, first call Zimmerman a murdering scumbag and then urge them not to react violently. Friggin brilliant!

Truth hurts. and a riot is unnecessary.

 

[sharon]

I'm sorry but I live in a condo complex and anyone wandering around who I don't recognize gets quite a bit of attention from me, too.



He's a legitimate resident in his home area, he has no need to identify himself.



Part of the reason not to call the police in the first place.

Do you know everyone who lives in your complex?

 

[Kal'Stang]

Do you know everyone who lives in your complex?

I do.

567890

 

[sharon]

I do.

567890

So none of your neighbors ever have guests or visitors?

 

[joko104]

But that's not the point. The point is a stranger wandering in the rain in the dark around townhomes.
Do you REMEMBER YOU said that TM would have seemed to be acting odd talking seemingly to himself on a cell phone ear piece?
Do you REMEMBER YOU said YOU would go beyond GZ and actually directly face to face confronted GZ demanding to know why he's there and where he is going - saying you are doing so because you are "Sharon-your-full-name with neighborhood watch." Are you now retracting all that?

 

[fishinRod]

Absolutely nothing will be different at airports that day.

it was sarcasm dude...lighten up a little