Zimmerman's voice sample of scream reenactment: was it his screams?

dolphinocean · Aug 14, 2012

Who was the one screaming in the background of the 911 call captured on the night of February 26 between two rows of houses at Retreat at Twin Lakes in Sanford, FL?

When the 911 tape was played back to Zimmerman at the SPD interview, the screams in the 911 call at first bewildered him which caused him to blurt out, "Who's that?"

Zimmerman's father, however, swore that it was Zimmerman who was the one screaming.

Trayvon's mother and his cousin, who swore on the stack of Bibles, said that it was Trayvon's voice in the 911 tape screaming.

But, the special prosecutor's office had recently released the audio of the 911 tape with Zimmerman's voice reenactment of the screaming samples embedded into it for comparison to the actual screaming captured on the night of Feb 26.

Listen for yourself of Zimmerman's voice samples starting at 00:40 onward where Zimmerman was heard making his voice reenactment of the screams and decide for yourself whether it was Zimmerman who was the one screaming for help as he claimed:

George Zimmerman Voice Samples Compared To Trayvon Martin Released (AUDIO) | Global Grind

buck · Aug 14, 2012

dolphinocean said:
When the 911 tape was played back to Zimmerman at the SPD interview, the screams in the 911 call at first bewildered him which caused him to blurt out, "Who's that"/

Well, that's not exactly how it went. Zimm was just indicating that it doesn't sound like him, which it wouldn't considering the stress he would have been under. In fact, I read an expert a while ago, that indicated that any reenactment would not sound the same due to the obvious stress that the individual screaming for help was under. This was in an article very early on in the case...

Meaning, the renactment is not really creating the same situation and feeling for the individual screaming for help which will cause the voice to sound very different. Obviously the defense will put on an expert or two to confirm this.

Excon · Aug 14, 2012

dolphinocean said:
Who was the one screaming in the background of the 911 call captured on the night of February 26 between two rows of houses at Retreat at Twin Lakes in Sanford, FL?

When the 911 tape was played back to Zimmerman at the SPD interview, the screams in the 911 call at first bewildered him which caused him to blurt out, "Who's that?"

Zimmerman's father, however, swore that it was Zimmerman who was the one screaming.

Trayvon's mother and his cousin, who swore on the stack of Bibles, said that it was Trayvon's voice in the 911 tape screaming.

But, the special prosecutor's office had recently released the audio of the 911 tape with Zimmerman's voice reenactment of the screaming samples embedded into it for comparison to the actual screaming captured on the night of Feb 26.

Listen for yourself of Zimmerman's voice samples starting at 00:40 onward where Zimmerman was heard making his voice reenactment of the screams and decide for yourself whether it was Zimmerman who was the one screaming for help as he claimed:

George Zimmerman Voice Samples Compared To Trayvon Martin Released (AUDIO) | Global Grind

Yep, that is Zimmerman's voice.

dolphinocean said:
When the 911 tape was played back to Zimmerman at the SPD interview, the screams in the 911 call at first bewildered him which caused him to blurt out, "Who's that?"

A person hearing their own recorded voice often exclaims the same.

But what it does show, is that it wasn't Trayvon's voice because Zimmerman would have recognized it as such if it was. iLOL

dolphinocean · Aug 14, 2012

buck said:
Well, that's not exactly how it went. Zimm was just indicating that it doesn't sound like him, which it wouldn't considering the stress he would have been under. In fact, I read an expert a while ago, that indicated that any reenactment would not sound the same due to the obvious stress that the individual screaming for help was under. This was in an article very early on in the case...

Meaning, the renactment is not really creating the same situation and feeling for the individual screaming for help which will cause the voice to sound very different. Obviously the defense will put on an expert or two to confirm this.[/SIZE]

OK, your argument is that considering the stress he would have been under, it would be reasonable for him to indicate the scream didn't sound like him?

I don't agree with your take on this, but how do you explain away the context of the interview in which the purpose was for him to hear the screaming captured on the 911 tape of that very night in which he claimed he was fighting for his life and was the one screaming for help. He didn't claim he and Trayvon were both screaming. He also didn't say there was or were someone else also screaming. So, there was only one person screaming. How did he not recognize his own screaming when there was no one else?

The renactment may not axactly create the same situation and feeling for the individual screaming for help, but it won't create a wide differences in sound and voice frequency.

Listen to more side by side comparison of Zimmerman's exemplars here:

George Zimmerman Voice Exemplars | AxiomAmnesia.com Presents They Always Get Away: Trayvon Martin/George Zimmerman Documents, Photos, Videos, Audio, and Articles

dolphinocean · Aug 14, 2012

Excon said:
Yep, that is Zimmerman's voice.

A person hearing their own recorded voice often exclaims the same.

But what it does show, is that it wasn't Trayvon's voice because Zimmerman would have recognized it as such if it was. iLOL

When are you going to start doing actual debate instead of clearing the table?

Excon · Aug 14, 2012

dolphinocean said:
He also didn't say there was or were someone else also screaming. So, there was only one person screaming. How did he not recognize his own screaming when there was no one else?

What do you not understand about a recorded persons voice not sounding like their own to them?
That is one of the most normal things in the world.

His exclamation was perfectly reasonable.

But it does show that it wasn't Trayvon's. If Trayvon was the one screaming for help. He would have recognized it as such. So it was not.

It was his voice. Get over it.

dolphinocean said:
The renactment may not axactly create the same situation and feeling for the individual screaming for help, but it won't create a wide differences in sound and voice frequency.

If it can not be recreated it will be different. Period.

Hopefully the defense will spend the appropriate amount of time to illicit the proper types of screams from Zimmerman so that they can be properly examined.

Excon · Aug 14, 2012

dolphinocean said:
When are you going to start doing actual debate instead of clearing the table?

iLOL

Is that what you think is happening?

Good to know. lol

The crap Trayvon acolytes present needs to be cleared from the table.

buck · Aug 15, 2012

dolphinocean said:
OK, your argument is that considering the stress he would have been under, it would be reasonable for him to indicate the scream didn't sound like him?

No, not what I meant. I apparently wasn't as clear as I hoped. Due to the stress that he was in while screaming for help, it would obviously not sound like his normal voice. Someone screaming for help while in great pain and fear will sound very different from that same individual screaming for help while not in those same circumstances. So, comparing a recording of Zimm screaming while in great stress, fear and pain to audio of Zimm while is in a normal state will not sound similar.

The renactment may not axactly create the same situation and feeling for the individual screaming for help, but it won't create a wide differences in sound and voice frequency.

Based on the experts I have read (one back at the onset of this case that I can't locate again and the one quoted below), it does. I am not myself an expert, but it makes sense to me that if someone is in great pain and fear, their cries for help will sound very different then their screams for "help" under normal circumstances.

When it comes to emotionally charged situations, especially a life-or death situation, the range of the human voice is simply too wide and varied to correlate it accurately to age, Ryan said.

buck · Aug 15, 2012

dolphinocean said:
I don't agree with your take on this, but how do you explain away the context of the interview in which the purpose was for him to hear the screaming captured on the 911 tape of that very night in which he claimed he was fighting for his life and was the one screaming for help. He didn't claim he and Trayvon were both screaming. He also didn't say there was or were someone else also screaming. So, there was only one person screaming. How did he not recognize his own screaming when there was no one else?

I personally think you are putting too much emphasis on this. As Excon stated, people often don't recognize their voices and due to what was occuring, his voice would have been very different then it normally would have been. Zimm simply stated "It doesn't even sound like me". I don't find that all that damning. What I find much more relevant is that Z's father has stated he heard his son screaming like that once before and recognizes it, T's father saying it was not T and T's mother saying it was T. I personally believe that the mother is lying, but that really is just my opinion.

ric27 · Aug 15, 2012

dolphinocean said:
Who was the one screaming in the background of the 911 call captured on the night of February 26 between two rows of houses at Retreat at Twin Lakes in Sanford, FL?

When the 911 tape was played back to Zimmerman at the SPD interview, the screams in the 911 call at first bewildered him which caused him to blurt out, "Who's that?"

Zimmerman's father, however, swore that it was Zimmerman who was the one screaming.

Trayvon's mother and his cousin, who swore on the stack of Bibles, said that it was Trayvon's voice in the 911 tape screaming.

But, the special prosecutor's office had recently released the audio of the 911 tape with Zimmerman's voice reenactment of the screaming samples embedded into it for comparison to the actual screaming captured on the night of Feb 26.

Listen for yourself of Zimmerman's voice samples starting at 00:40 onward where Zimmerman was heard making his voice reenactment of the screams and decide for yourself whether it was Zimmerman who was the one screaming for help as he claimed:

George Zimmerman Voice Samples Compared To Trayvon Martin Released (AUDIO) | Global Grind

It's Z's voice....

M on top *beating the hell out of Z* and you are going to somehow think it was M that was screaming for help? lmao

That's convoluted thinking because it flies in the face of human nature, and flies in the face of screaming for help.

Caine · Aug 15, 2012

dolphinocean said:
Who was the one screaming in the background of the 911 call captured on the night of February 26 between two rows of houses at Retreat at Twin Lakes in Sanford, FL?

When the 911 tape was played back to Zimmerman at the SPD interview, the screams in the 911 call at first bewildered him which caused him to blurt out, "Who's that?"

Zimmerman's father, however, swore that it was Zimmerman who was the one screaming.

Trayvon's mother and his cousin, who swore on the stack of Bibles, said that it was Trayvon's voice in the 911 tape screaming.

But, the special prosecutor's office had recently released the audio of the 911 tape with Zimmerman's voice reenactment of the screaming samples embedded into it for comparison to the actual screaming captured on the night of Feb 26.

Listen for yourself of Zimmerman's voice samples starting at 00:40 onward where Zimmerman was heard making his voice reenactment of the screams and decide for yourself whether it was Zimmerman who was the one screaming for help as he claimed:

George Zimmerman Voice Samples Compared To Trayvon Martin Released (AUDIO) | Global Grind

I once yelled at a dude on a traffic stop.... and later was confused as to whose voice was on my in-car camera audio for a split second before realizing it was me.

So?

Also, before getting used to regularly hearing my own voice recorded..... I used to think I sounded very strange.

The voice you hear when you speak and the one everyone else hears isn't the same....

Caine · Aug 15, 2012

buck said:
I personally think you are putting too much emphasis on this. As Excon stated, people often don't recognize their voices and due to what was occuring, his voice would have been very different then it normally would have been. Zimm simply stated "It doesn't even sound like me". I don't find that all that damning. What I find much more relevant is that Z's father has stated he heard his son screaming like that once before and recognizes it, T's father saying it was not T and T's mother saying it was T. I personally believe that the mother is lying, but that really is just my opinion.

When did T's mother get involved in identifying the voice? Before or after they hired their own attorneys...... Before or after she was notified he was shot and killed?

buck · Aug 15, 2012

Caine said:
When did T's mother get involved in identifying the voice? Before or after they hired their own attorneys...... Before or after she was notified he was shot and killed?

Which is one of the reasons I believe she is lying. Kind of like how the father states it's not Trayvon... At least until he talks to an attorney, then all of a sudden he is certain it is Trayvon.

Kreton · Aug 15, 2012

I think we can all agree Martin was on top of Zimmerman attempting to murder him. How does it make sense that Martin while attempting to murder someone would be yelling for help? He had no reason to. That makes no sense.

sharon · Aug 15, 2012

dolphinocean said:
OK, your argument is that considering the stress he would have been under, it would be reasonable for him to indicate the scream didn't sound like him?

I don't agree with your take on this, but how do you explain away the context of the interview in which the purpose was for him to hear the screaming captured on the 911 tape of that very night in which he claimed he was fighting for his life and was the one screaming for help. He didn't claim he and Trayvon were both screaming. He also didn't say there was or were someone else also screaming. So, there was only one person screaming. How did he not recognize his own screaming when there was no one else?

The renactment may not axactly create the same situation and feeling for the individual screaming for help, but it won't create a wide differences in sound and voice frequency.

Listen to more side by side comparison of Zimmerman's exemplars here:

George Zimmerman Voice Exemplars | AxiomAmnesia.com Presents They Always Get Away: Trayvon Martin/George Zimmerman Documents, Photos, Videos, Audio, and Articles

I agree.. There may be two people screaming.. but GZ's recreation is poor.

Odd that he told Serino and Singleton that Trayvon was speaking softly and using foul language pertty constantly..

Serino asked George if Trayvon was 'whispering in his ear'..

dolphinocean · Aug 15, 2012

buck said:
No, not what I meant. I apparently wasn't as clear as I hoped. Due to the stress that he was in while screaming for help, it would obviously not sound like his normal voice. Someone screaming for help while in great pain and fear will sound very different from that same individual screaming for help while not in those same circumstances. So, comparing a recording of Zimm screaming while in great stress, fear and pain to audio of Zimm while is in a normal state will not sound similar.

Based on the experts I have read (one back at the onset of this case that I can't locate again and the one quoted below), it does. I am not myself an expert, but it makes sense to me that if someone is in great pain and fear, their cries for help will sound very different then their screams for "help" under normal circumstances.

The voice exemplars from Zimmerman and the voice heard screaming in the background of the 911 tape are clearly from two different individuals with two entirely different vocal folds with different pitch range and quality.

The voice frequency generated from Zimmerman comes from a mature and thick vocal fold vs the young vocal fold heard in the 911 tape. From Zimmerman's exemplars, his mature and thick vocal fold simply cannot generate the high frequency continuous long wailing of a young individual we heard in the 911 tape. Zimmerman's were very short bursts.

With regards to the stress (actually extreme stress), with the pain and fear, the max Zimmerman could go was to hoarse out.

But, objective evidence and witness testimony showed Zimmerman wasn't even coming close to being stressed that night. On that night of Feb 26, a witness and the EMT provided evidence showing Zimmerman wasn't anywhere near that extreme stress level of fighting for his life.

The objective evidence was the vital sign taken by the EMS soon after the shooting.

So, according to the EMT report, Zimmerman was warm and dry with normal skin color. His breathing was 12 to 20, normal. Also listed as within normal limit are his airway, breathing quality, accessory muscle use (meaning ordinary resting level breathing without extraordinary assistance from other supportive muscles), chest rise, radial pulse (meaning normal heart rate), skin temperature, skin moisture (meaning no sweat), skin turgor, cap refill, pupil size and reaction.

Zimmerman's restful and unexcited vital signs were reflected by his calm demeanor immediately after the shooting as noted by witness no.13.

Witness no. 13 said he spoke to a calm Zimmerman immediately after the shooting when Zimmerman nonchalantly told him to "Just tell my wife I shot somebody" as if it was nothing.

So therefore, it was not Zimmerman's screams as shown through different sources.

dolphinocean · Aug 15, 2012

ric27 said:
It's Z's voice....

M on top *beating the hell out of Z* and you are going to somehow think it was M that was screaming for help? lmao

That's convoluted thinking because it flies in the face of human nature, and flies in the face of screaming for help.

That witness, John, is very unreliable. The only thing you can go by on this witness is his 911 call he made that night. In it he said with a nervous chuckle that he wasn't going out there.

dolphinocean · Aug 15, 2012

muciti said:
I think we can all agree Martin was on top of Zimmerman attempting to murder him. How does it make sense that Martin while attempting to murder someone would be yelling for help? He had no reason to. That makes no sense.

No evidence of the above assertion.

dolphinocean · Aug 15, 2012

sharon said:
I agree.. There may be two people screaming.. but GZ's recreation is poor.

Odd that he told Serino and Singleton that Trayvon was speaking softly and using foul language pertty constantly..

Serino asked George if Trayvon was 'whispering in his ear'..

The murder 2 charge depends on this audio tape and Zimmerman's voice exemplars.

dolphinocean · Aug 15, 2012

Caine said:
I once yelled at a dude on a traffic stop.... and later was confused as to whose voice was on my in-car camera audio for a split second before realizing it was me.

So?

Also, before getting used to regularly hearing my own voice recorded..... I used to think I sounded very strange.

The voice you hear when you speak and the one everyone else hears isn't the same....

Maybe so, but Zimmerman wasn't in extreme stress. So, if we accept your explaining away of inital confused state with regards to his own voice, you still have to explain away other inconsistencies I had just pointed out in my other posts.

buck · Aug 15, 2012

dolphinocean said:
The voice exemplars from Zimmerman and the voice heard screaming in the background of the 911 tape are clearly from two different individuals with two entirely different vocal folds with different pitch range and quality.

The voice frequency generated from Zimmerman comes from a mature and thick vocal fold vs the young vocal fold heard in the 911 tape. From Zimmerman's exemplars, his mature and thick vocal fold simply cannot generate the high frequency continuous long wailing of a young individual we heard in the 911 tape. Zimmerman's were very short bursts.

As i've already stated, I am far from an expert on this, so I would have to rely on other experts, and at least two experts that I have read disagree with you. Again, allow me to quote:

“To my knowledge, there are no scientific studies of pitch as an indicator or anything else in a scream that would give someone confidence to say how old somebody was,” Ryan said.

When it comes to emotionally charged situations, especially a life-or death situation, the range of the human voice is simply too wide and varied to correlate it accurately to age, Ryan said.

A 28-year-old might scream like a 17-year old. A 17-year old might yell like a 28-year-old.

Additionally, the LEO have already disagreed. As I recall, they indicated they could not verify who was screaming for help. If it was so obvious to them that it was not Zimm, they obviously would have pointed that out in the investiagative papers or arresting document.

Caine · Aug 15, 2012

dolphinocean said:
The murder 2 charge depends on this audio tape and Zimmerman's voice exemplars.

If that were true this case will end in a hung jury every time.......

Caine · Aug 15, 2012

dolphinocean said:
Maybe so, but Zimmerman wasn't in extreme stress.

Any evidence of that statement? Were you there with some sort of neurological device attached to him monitoring his stress levels? Or.. are you just talking out of your rear end?

So, if we accept your explaining away of inital confused state with regards to his own voice, you still have to explain away other inconsistencies I had just pointed out in my other posts.

Im not explaining crap to a person who claims to know the stress level of a stranger in a situation where he wasn't there.

joko104 · Aug 15, 2012

Caine said:
Any evidence of that statement? Were you there with some sort of neurological device attached to him monitoring his stress levels? Or.. are you just talking out of your rear end?

Im not explaining crap to a person who claims to know the stress level of a stranger in a situation where he wasn't there.

Claiming someone in a fight/assault with a broken nose and multiple cuts to the back of his head is not in "extreme stress" is so absurd it doesn't warrant discussion.

sharon · Aug 15, 2012

dolphinocean said:
That witness, John, is very unreliable. The only thing you can go by on this witness is his 911 call he made that night. In it he said with a nervous chuckle that he wasn't going out there.

So, according to the EMT report, Zimmerman was warm and dry with normal skin color. His breathing was 12 to 20, normal. Also listed as within normal limit are his airway, breathing quality, accessory muscle use (meaning ordinary resting level breathing without extraordinary assistance from other supportive muscles), chest rise, radial pulse (meaning normal heart rate), skin temperature, skin moisture (meaning no sweat), skin turgor, cap refill, pupil size and reaction.

(yep... the experts couldn't confirm that it was Trayvon, but they did rule out that it was George)

Zimmerman's voice sample of scream reenactment: was it his screams?

Doesn't know