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The Timeline Discrepancy Resolved

American said:
When do we get to the part where GZ is getting his head slammed by TM, pulls out his gun and shoots TM, and then gets off for self-defense? Is that coming up soon?
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That is the topic they do NOT want to talk about - that being of course the entire issues of the case.
 
sharon said:
That is the least of anyone's concerns since the medical evidence is available and the EMTs and GZ's doctor will testify.
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joko104 said:
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Both the EMTs and the doctor are on the witness list.. Have been for weeks..

Thre reports are also on file as part of discovery.
 
joko104 said:
That is the topic they do NOT want to talk about - that being of course the entire issues of the case.
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The injuries have NOTHING to do with GZ's reason for pulling the trigger. You should learn his position if you want to defend him.
 
Simon W. Moon said:
From here page 46
https://s3.amazonaws.com/s3.documen...327330/george-zimmerrman-911-call-history.pdf


If the call started @ 19:11:12 and the note "SUBJ NOW RUNNING TOWARDS BACK ENTRANCE OF COMPLEX" has a time stamp of 19:11:59, that means that GZ told the call taker that TM was running toward the back entrance BEFORE 47 seconds into the call.


Here is the call.
George Zimmerman 911 Call To Stanford Police Department - YouTube


GZ does not tell the call taker that TM is running toward the back entrance 47 seconds into the call.
GZ tells the call-taker that TM is running closer to 2 minutes into the call.


Try and line up the call log with the recording of the call.


Give it a go.


See how that works out for you.


I find that the time stamps are in accord with the recording of the call if we allow that the call connected @ the time the SCSO says it did--9:09.
They are not in accord with the actual recording of the call if we say that the call starts @ 9:11 as the SPD document says.
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Im way behind in this thread....

But the 19:11 time is for the CREATION of the event in the CAD system.....

Sometimes things take a little time to do data entry into computers...... especially considering he called the non-emergency line, where they may not have their CAD system easily accessible since non-emergency lines (at least here) do NOT handle calls for service to the police. Suspicious person calls have to go through 911.
 
Caine said:
Im way behind in this thread....
But the 19:11 time is for the CREATION of the event in the CAD system.....
Sometimes things take a little time to do data entry into computers...... especially considering he called the non-emergency line, where they may not have their CAD system easily accessible since non-emergency lines (at least here) do NOT handle calls for service to the police. Suspicious person calls have to go through 911.
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Just to be explicitly clear, the creation time occurs sometime AFTER the call is connected, yes?

The call connects.
Conversation takes place.
Notes are entered which generates the "creation" time stamp?
 
Simon W. Moon said:
Just to be explicitly clear, the creation time occurs sometime AFTER the call is connected, yes?

The call connects.
Conversation takes place.
Notes are entered which generates the "creation" time stamp?
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Honestly, shouldn't that be obvious by the two separate identifiers?
Time for Connection and Time for Created.

Aren't they like self evident?


Don't tell me we have someone who thinks that the call taker is sitting there divining Connection times before they come in.
 
Simon W. Moon said:
Just to be explicitly clear, the creation time occurs sometime AFTER the call is connected, yes?

The call connects.
Conversation takes place.
Notes are entered which generates the "creation" time stamp?
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Yes. A Call for service is not entered for every call.... at least in some places (I've been dispatched to check out UFOs, a type of call we didn't take before our current administrators took their oaths), so it takes a few moments for a call taker to determine the seriousness of the call.... ESPECIALLY coming from a non-emergency line.
 
furiounova said:
the injuries have nothing to do with gz's reason for pulling the trigger. You should learn his position if you want to defend him.
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^ false...
 
joko104 said:
^ false...
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He said he pulled the trigger because TM saw his gun and told him he was going to die. It's amazing you have to be taught basic facts about this case in every single thread.
 
Caine said:
Im way behind in this thread....

But the 19:11 time is for the CREATION of the event in the CAD system.....

Sometimes things take a little time to do data entry into computers...... especially considering he called the non-emergency line, where they may not have their CAD system easily accessible since non-emergency lines (at least here) do NOT handle calls for service to the police. Suspicious person calls have to go through 911.
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The best way to resolve it is with GZ's phone records.
 
Excon said:
Honestly, shouldn't that be obvious by the two separate identifiers?
Time for Connection and Time for Created.
Aren't they like self evident?
Don't tell me we have someone who thinks that the call taker is sitting there divining Connection times before they come in.
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Apparently Singleton wrote that the call connected at the creation time.
Serino copied it into a report.

Now some people are believing unusual things like that the CAD time stamps can be arbitrarily altered or some similar such that allows the SCSO's CAD logs to be hand waved away.
Not just this board.
It's a combination of GZ supporters and detractors who share this belief that the creation time is the connection time despite the source document being readily available.
 
Simon W. Moon said:
Apparently Singleton wrote that the call connected at the creation time.
Serino copied it into a report.

Now some people are believing unusual things like that the CAD time stamps can be arbitrarily altered or some similar such that allows the SCSO's CAD logs to be hand waved away.
Not just this board.
It's a combination of GZ supporters and detractors who share this belief that the creation time is the connection time despite the source document being readily available.
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Except TM's phone records and Dee's testimony matches the call starting at 7:11 pm.
 
Furiounova said:
According to you guys, she lies whenever she says something you don't like.
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Spare us your bs. It isn't anything close to what you say.
Her account is suspect because of the way we come to it.
It has been explained over and over again.

And when arguing with those who do believe her, her account can damn well be used to show that the person is wrong. Because they believe her account.
Which is the same exact thing with Zimmerman.
Those who do not believe his account can damn well use it to try and prove those wrong who believe his account.
There is nothing wrong with that, unless you are a hypocrite.
 
Excon said:
Spare us your bs. It isn't anything close to what you say.
Her account is suspect because of the way we come to it.
It has been explained over and over again.

And when arguing with those who do believe her, her account can damn well be used to show that the person is wrong. Because they believe her account.
Which is the same exact thing with Zimmerman.
Those who do not believe his account can damn well use it to try and prove those wrong who believe his account.
There is nothing wrong with that, unless you are a hypocrite.
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Lol.....I hope you bookmark this post for when she testifies at trial. However, I suspect after he loses the MTD he will seek a plea deal so there may not be a trial.
 
Furiounova said:
He said he pulled the trigger because TM saw his gun and told him he was going to die. It's amazing you have to be taught basic facts about this case in every single thread.
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Actually that is NOT what he said nor do most other people have singularity of thought moment to moment as you insist he and others do. That appears you projecting your limitations on others.

He said that TM was trying to get the gun - NOT just that TM saw it as you FALSELY claim (again). But you knew that and tried to against change truth.
 
joko104 said:
Actually that is NOT what he said nor do most other people have singularity of thought moment to moment as you insist he and others do. That appears you projecting your limitations on others.

He said that TM was trying to get the gun - NOT just that TM saw it as you FALSELY claim (again). But you knew that and tried to against change truth.
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Do you now realize his given reason had nothing to do with the injuries?
 
Furiounova said:
Do you now realize his given reason had nothing to do with the injuries?
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You apparently believe GZ only gave one statement and pretend that he was answering the question: "What were the only reason you fired - and don't answer until you can name then all, Dr. Zimmerman, psychiatrist?"

Actually, George Zimmerman isn't a psychiatrist and that is not what he was asked.
 
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joko104 said:
You apparently believe GZ only gave one statement and pretend that he was answering the question: "What were the only reason you fired - and don't answer until you can name then all, Dr. Zimmerman, psychiatrist?"

Actually, George Zimmerman isn't a psychiatrist and that is not what he was asked.
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Okay.....so you don't.....thanks.
 
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