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Tea Party Nation formally calls for Angela Corey to be disbarred/voted out.

Excon said:
That stance really isn't wrong.
We have disproportionate population numbers to start, so the comparison should be to respective population.

That is how to put the numbers into proper perspective.
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So you are taking the position that 1.4% of black people being on welfare justifies making some kind of black = welfare association? That doesn't strike you as insane?
 
teamosil said:
So you are taking the position that 1.4% of black people being on welfare justifies making some kind of black = welfare association? That doesn't strike you as insane?
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False comparison.

The follow would be accurate.
From 13.1% of the US. population comes 33.3% of our Welfare recipients.

From 78.1% of the US. population comes 31.2% of our Welfare recipients.


Lets put that into better perspective?
For Blacks it is roughly 2.54 times higher than their population ratio.

For Whites it is roughly .4 times lower than their population ratio.​
 
Excon said:
False comparison.

The follow would be accurate.
From 13.1% of the US. population comes 33.3% of our Welfare recipients.

From 78.1% of the US. population comes 31.2% of our Welfare recipients.


Lets put that into better perspective?
For Blacks it is roughly 2.54 times higher than their population ratio.

For Whites it is roughly .4 times lower than their population ratio.​
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I'm not even clear on what point you're trying to make. Focus on the question. Do you think it is reasonable or accurate to stereotype 40 million people on the basis of the 1.4% of them that are on welfare?
 
joko104 said:
The "Tea Party Nation" formally has called for the disbarment and/or election removal of Angela Corey. https://www.onekingslane.com/join-b...geting)&utm_content=Content(demographic)|PPCA



Actually they have good reason:

This is the oath of office Angela Corey took, word for word:

I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support, protect, and defend the Constitution and Government of the United States and of the State of Florida; that I am duly qualified to hold office under the Constitution of the State, and that I will well and faithfully perform the duties of District Attorney on which I am now about to enter, so help me God. (If the official is only affirming may delete "So help me God.)


This is the exact wording of the Constitution of the United States:

United States Constitution's Bill of Rights


No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.


There is no infamous Crime than Murder and Zimmerman is charged with the a first degree felony offense of murder. No grand jury has charged George Zimmerman with so much as a parking ticket, let alone no grand jury indictment for murder.

Angela Corey declared she is above the United States Constitution and Bill of Rights, and is a pathological liar who spit on her oath of office and did the exact opposite for her own political and person profit goals. She never even pretended to offer any excuse. Just declared herself a self appointed demigod.

Get rid of Angela Corey.
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Hahahahaha .. These people are morons.. Naturally you would support them.
 
teamosil said:
I'm not even clear on what point you're trying to make. Focus on the question. Do you think it is reasonable or accurate to stereotype 40 million people on the basis of the 1.4% of them that are on welfare?
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It is reasonable at this time with these numbers, to make the association that Blacks make up a disproportionately higher number on welfare than Whites do, when compared to respective population numbers.
So the association at this time, with these numbers, says yes it is ok, because it is factual.


In other words, when you point out that it is ONLY 1.4% of the population for Blacks on Welfare, the percentage of Whites is even lower.
What is it? Around .085% for Whites?


So the association at this time, with these numbers, says yes it is ok, because it is factual.
 
Excon said:
It is reasonable at this time with these numbers, to make the association that Blacks make up a disproportionately higher number on welfare than Whites do, when compared to respective population numbers.
So the association at this time, with these numbers, says yes it is ok, because it is factual.


In other words, when you point out that it is ONLY 1.4% of the population for Blacks on Welfare, the percentage of Whites is even lower.
What is it? Around .085% for Whites?


So the association at this time, with these numbers, says yes it is ok, because it is factual.
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Uh, no... You are randomly making a leap from "disproportionately higher number on welfare" to "ok to stereotype entire race as being on welfare" with no explanation... How do you justify that?

There are proportionally far more serial killers, white collar criminals, and drunk drivers amongst white people. Does that mean "white = serial killer"? Of course not.
 
teamosil said:
Uh, no... You are randomly making a leap from "disproportionately higher number on welfare" to "ok to stereotype entire race as being on welfare" with no explanation... How do you justify that?
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Uh, no... ?

Oh No!

You are reading way too much into what was said.
"It is reasonable at this time with these numbers, to make the association that Blacks make up a disproportionately higher number on welfare than Whites do, when compared to respective population numbers."​
That is my position. It is ok say because it is accurate.

teamosil said:
There are proportionally far more serial killers, white collar criminals, and drunk drivers amongst white people. Does that mean "white = serial killer"? Of course not.
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There are more White folks ya know.
Demographics! Even used when profiling. I have no problem with that. Why do you?

You are making an association that isn't there.
Stating known fact is not stereotyping.
 
Excon said:
Uh, no... ?

Oh No!

You are reading way too much into what was said.
"It is reasonable at this time with these numbers, to make the association that Blacks make up a disproportionately higher number on welfare than Whites do, when compared to respective population numbers."
That is my position. It is ok say because it is accurate.
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Sure, it's ok to say that. That wasn't the question. The question was "do you agree that the black = welfare association is crazy?" It sounds like maybe you agree that that stereotype is not appropriate, right?

Excon said:
There are more White folks ya know.
Demographics! Even used when profiling. I have no problem with that. Why do you?

You are making an association that isn't there.
Stating known fact is not stereotyping.
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No, whites are proportionally more likely to commit those things. A higher percentage of whites drive drunk, commit white collar crime and are serial killers. It's parallel- a disproportionately higher number of whites do those things, just like a disproportionately higher number of blacks are on welfare. But, like with welfare, they are very small percentages of white overall that do those things (with the possible exception of drunk driving), so it isn't sensible to stereotype all whites on that basis.
 
teamosil said:
Sure, it's ok to say that. That wasn't the question. The question was "do you agree that the black = welfare association is crazy?" It sounds like maybe you agree that that stereotype is not appropriate, right?
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My point is that the association is ok when accurately stated. That is what I agree with.
Nothing more or less.
And in addition, accurate information should never be pigeonholed as stereotyping, because that is an attempt to suppress.



teamosil said:
No, whites are proportionally more likely to commit those things. A higher percentage of whites drive drunk, commit white collar crime and are serial killers. It's parallel- a disproportionately higher number of whites do those things, just like a disproportionately higher number of blacks are on welfare. But, like with welfare, they are very small percentages of white overall that do those things (with the possible exception of drunk driving), so it isn't sensible to stereotype all whites on that basis.
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Not sure I quite get your "no", but I understand these things.
And it is ok to say White Men disproportionately make up more of our serial killers and child molesters etc.. Because they are true.
If you want to call that a stereotype, go straight on ahead. It is accurate information.

But the point of these numbers isn't to point out how small they are.
But to provide accurate numbers for comparisons, of which how small they are, in what ever comparison, is just one.


In closing... Goodnight!
 
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Excon said:
My point is that the association is ok when accurately stated. That is what I agree with.
Nothing more or less.
And in addition, accurate information should never be pigeonholed as stereotyping, because that is an attempt to suppress.

Not sure I quite get your "no", but I understand these things.
And it is ok to say White Men disproportionately make up more of our serial killers and child molesters etc.. Because they are true.
If you want to call that a stereotype, go straight on ahead. It is accurate information.

But the point of these numbers isn't to point out how small they are.
But to provide accurate numbers for comparisons, of which how small they are, in what ever comparison, is just one.

In closing... Goodnight!
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So, it seems like you are agreeing that the tea party "black = welfare recipient" stereotype is wrong, yes?
 
teamosil said:
So, it seems like you are agreeing that the tea party "black = welfare recipient" stereotype is wrong, yes?
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I have no idea why you keep asking a ridiculous question.

I have never seen such an equation.

Where is it, and exactly what is it, if it even exists?
 
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teamosil said:
How is it changing my claim? The fifth does only apply to the federal government. The whole bill of rights only applies to the federal government. It is just that the courts have borrowed some of the core provisions from the bill of rights into their idea of what "due process" means in the 14th amendment too. People do say "the bill of rights applies to the states" sometimes, but they're just being imprecise for simplicity's sake.
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Except for the GJ clause, the rest of the 5th has been incorporated to States and since every State already uses GJs it is safe to say the entire 5th has been incorporated.
 
It is easy to understand why Angela Corey did not want a grand jury of citizens to hear this and why she wrote a false affidavit for two officers telling each on it was the other one who knew what neither officer had any knowledge of.
 
joko104 said:
It is easy to understand why Angela Corey did not want a grand jury of citizens to hear this and why she wrote a false affidavit for two officers telling each on it was the other one who knew what neither officer had any knowledge of.
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Guess you know Corey was just reelected........
 
Furiounova said:
Except for the GJ clause, the rest of the 5th has been incorporated to States and since every State already uses GJs it is safe to say the entire 5th has been incorporated.
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No, as demonstrated by the cases I posted, the grand jury clause has explicitly NOT been incorporated. Even if all states use grand juries (which I don't actually think is the case, but whatever), if it were incorporated into the 14th amendment, they would be locked in. As it is though, this case makes no sense.
 
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