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Detective in Zimmerman case said he was pressured to file charges

It's what we've been saying all along. The evidence does not support the charge.

In addition to being found not guilty, I'd be willing to donate to the cause for Zimmerman to turn around and sue the Sanford PD for defamation.
 
It seems like every evidence dump so far has been beneficial to Zimmerman. This one appears no different.
 
ric27 said:
Detective in Zimmerman case said he was pressured to file charges - Trayvon Martin - MiamiHerald.com

One of the officers pressuring Serino was a Sgt. Barns a buddy of Tracy Martin
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From the start I've been pointing this out all along. That includes pointing out that the officers admitted their affidavit that was the basis for arrest was false in that they had actually had no evidence to back up what they swore and each said they thought it was the other one who did. Despite acknowledging the affidavit was false and just miscommunication, for political reasons the judge and prosecutor continue to let it stand.

It is interesting how all of a sudden the FBI, police and prosecutor are suddenly releasing massive amounts of information, statements and witnesses all favoring the defense and putting essentially all of federal and local law enforcement as the role of defense witnesses?

Of course, since I am wrong about politics having anything to do with anything, it is all just coincidental and all has has no relationship to each other. Just randomly released information all always pointing the same direction - and it all completely reversing itself all at the same time too. Probably it is just due to some rip in the structure of the universe or some other simple explanation.
 
dontworrybehappy said:
It's what we've been saying all along. The evidence does not support the charge.

In addition to being found not guilty, I'd be willing to donate to the cause for Zimmerman to turn around and sue the Sanford PD for defamation.
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I can't see Martin walking, but hope he sues the **** out of everybodt..
 
dontworrybehappy said:
It's what we've been saying all along. The evidence does not support the charge.

In addition to being found not guilty, I'd be willing to donate to the cause for Zimmerman to turn around and sue the Sanford PD for defamation.
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Who he has a lawsuit, asolute lawsuit, if he ends up found not guilty or case dropped, is the media and press people who posted that he is "a cold blooded murderer." That is called libel (if written) or slander (if spoken) "per se" - meaning assumed malicious, deliberate and false. The press and media can not use that Zimmerman became a public figure as a defense, because accusing someone of a crime is presumed malicious. It also shifts the burden to the accuser to having to prove the accusation for defense - ie the media and press people who said or printed that he is a murderer are presumed malcious and liable unless they can prove that Zimmerman is "a cold blooded murderer."

It is VERY notable that in their frenzy to destroy Zimmerman's reputation, they left off the usually and legally necessary "alleged," "Allegedly," or "accused of" qualifier to state it is an unqualified fact that Zimmerman is "a murderer."

That is who needs to be sued if GZ is found not guilty or the case dismissed. The only questions of that lawsuit are 1.) a legitimate judge willing to allow a trial against the media or press and 2.) the jury saying how much money GZ should get as punitive/exemplary damages.
 
buck said:
It seems like every evidence dump so far has been beneficial to Zimmerman. This one appears no different.
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lol....easy to say when you dont address the facts. His statements alone prove he lied about what happened.
 
dontworrybehappy said:
It's what we've been saying all along. The evidence does not support the charge.

In addition to being found not guilty, I'd be willing to donate to the cause for Zimmerman to turn around and sue the Sanford PD for defamation.
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The evidence does support the charge because he couldn't even give one straight statement on what happened. He may not be convicted of M2 but he is going down for manlsaughter in the very least.
 
joko104 said:
Who he has a lawsuit, asolute lawsuit, if he ends up found not guilty or case dropped, is the media and press people who posted that he is "a cold blooded murderer." That is called libel (if written) or slander (if spoken) "per se" - meaning assumed malicious, deliberate and false. The press and media can not use that Zimmerman became a public figure as a defense, because accusing someone of a crime is presumed malicious. It also shifts the burden to the accuser to having to prove the accusation for defense - ie the media and press people who said or printed that he is a murderer are presumed malcious and liable unless they can prove that Zimmerman is "a cold blooded murderer."

It is VERY notable that in their frenzy to destroy Zimmerman's reputation, they left off the usually and legally necessary "alleged," "Allegedly," or "accused of" qualifier to state it is an unqualified fact that Zimmerman is "a murderer."

That is who needs to be sued if GZ is found not guilty or the case dismissed. The only questions of that lawsuit are 1.) a legitimate judge willing to allow a trial against the media or press and 2.) the jury saying how much money GZ should get as punitive/exemplary damages.
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By your own standards you committed a crime by falsely accusing the judge and prosecutor of conspiring against GZ. Do you want to turn yourself in now or wait until Monday?
 
Furiounova said:
The article never says Barns was a buddy of Martin. Either I overlooked it or you fabricated a fantasy to defend a fantasy created in a fantasy. while dreaming.
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In his FBI interview, Serino accused Sgt. Barnes of being “friendly” with Tracy Martin, Trayvon’s father. He said Tracy Martin at first understood why no charges were filed, but later changed coursse and accused Zimmerman of racial profiling.

Crump denied that Tracy Martin ever changed postures. Martin, he said, sought legal counsel the very day Serino told him no charges would be filed.
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Serino says friendly with" Tracy Martin. It implies friendship. They are friends. Period

It's Serino's assertion, not mine.

Is Serino fabricating a fantasy to defend a fantasy created in a fantasy, while dreaming?
 
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Furiounova said:
The evidence does support the charge because he couldn't even give one straight statement on what happened. He may not be convicted of M2 but he is going down for manlsaughter in the very least.
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Wrong! You don't even have evidence for a manslaughter charge

Keep trying though
 
ric27 said:
Serino says friendly with" Tracy Martin. It implies friendship. They are friends. Period

It's Serino's assertion, not mine.

Is Serino fabricating a fantasy to defend a fantasy created in a fantasy, while dreaming?
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You claimed Barnes was a buddy of Martin and that is not what Serino said so your OP claim is exactly what I called it: fantasy.
 
ric27 said:
Wrong! You don't even have evidence for a manslaughter charge

Keep trying though
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Okay. When be is convicted (or pleads out) you can say it's because he was really truly innocent. like saying Barnes is a buddy of Martin.
 
In the same article.

Another report, which appears to refer to the same person, details an interview with one of Zimmerman’s closest friends, a former Seminole County Sheriff’s deputy. The former deputy went to the scene the night of the shooting, put Zimmerman up for more than a month after the killing, and accompanied him to his interviews with police. He trained Zimmerman on how to use a gun, adding that he “wasn’t a very good shot at first,” but improved.
The friend, whose name was blacked out in the report, told state investigators that Zimmerman was frugal, not very streetwise, and had a childhood marked by an abusive mother and a father who looked the other way when his son was beaten. Zimmerman, he said, had been estranged from his family until Trayvon’s shooting.
On the report detailing the friend’s interview, his current occupation is covered in black ink.
“I’m intrigued by this person at the scene that night. Putting two and two together, he is the air marshal who accompanied him to the interview,” said Natalie Jackson, one of the lawyers for the slain teen’s parents. “I would ask the question of whether he knew former police Chief Bill Lee, because they both worked at the sheriff’s department.”
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Curiouser and curiouser....
 
this excerpt from the cited article should be of concern to every citizen who seeks justice:
... Records released Thursday show that Sgt. Barnes, a 25-year veteran of the department, told the FBI that he believed the black community would be “in an uproar” if Zimmerman was not charged. “The community will be satisfied if an arrest takes place,” the FBI quoted him saying. Barnes “felt the shooting was not racially motivated, but it was a man shooting an unarmed kid.” ...
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the cop recognized the shooting was not racially motivated
but that zimmerman needed to be arrested to satisfy the black community

we have the police who now feel it legitimate to arrest someone ----- not because he actually committed a crime ------ but to satisfy a constituency
there is no justice evident in this circumstance
 
Furiounova said:
Okay. When be is convicted (or pleads out) you can say it's because he was really truly innocent. like saying Barnes is a buddy of Martin.
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Thats your ONLY hope of conviction is that Z pleas....

It ain't gonna happen

Theres ZERO evidence to convict Z on M2 charges as well as manslaughter charges

If so...list them
 
ric27 said:
Thats your ONLY hope of conviction is that Z pleas....

It ain't gonna happen

Theres ZERO evidence to convict Z on M2 charges as well as manslaughter charges

If so...list them
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he killed a minor after angrily pursuing him.
 
Tettsuo said:
In the same article.



Curiouser and curiouser....
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Ex chief Lee was also an associate Dean at the same college GZ was attending. There is no evidence they had any type of relationship but it is a strange coincidence because Lee was acting like his defense attorney from the beginning.
 
Thunder said:
he killed a minor after angrily pursuing him.
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Afaik, if he his convicted it is mandatory 25 years by Florida law since TM was a minor. That might be why he lied on the stand and said he thought TM was a little bit younger than him while on the call accurately stating TM was in his late teens. On wait, he said he couldn't give a description to dispatch.
 
justabubba said:
this excerpt from the cited article should be of concern to every citizen who seeks justice:
[emphasis added by bubba for the reading impaired]
the cop recognized the shooting was not racially motivated
but that zimmerman needed to be arrested to satisfy the black community

we have the police who now feel it legitimate to arrest someone ----- not because he actually committed a crime ------ but to satisfy a constituency
there is no justice evident in this circumstance
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Looks like you are cherry picking again or not understanding he was not saying arrest GZ due to a possible uproar. But just like the OP's false claim about Barnes being a buddy of Martin, say whatever you feel like regardless of the facts.
 
Furiounova said:
Looks like you are cherry picking again or not understanding he was not saying arrest GZ due to a possible uproar. But just like the OP's false claim about Barnes being a buddy of Martin, say whatever you feel like regardless of the facts.
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but he was saying zimmerman should be arrested
only because the black community expected that
NOT because he believed zimmerman committed a crime
... Records released Thursday show that Sgt. Barnes, a 25-year veteran of the department, told the FBI that he believed the black community would be “in an uproar” if Zimmerman was not charged. “The community will be satisfied if an arrest takes place,” the FBI quoted him saying. Barnes “felt the shooting was not racially motivated, but it was a man shooting an unarmed kid.” ...
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and still waiting for you to show where GEORGE zimmerman lied to the court about his financial condition
 
Thunder said:
he killed a minor after angrily pursuing him.
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What do you have to disprove this?

Z's evidence of injuries, the neighbors' versions and the medical records

What?
 
justabubba said:
but he was saying zimmerman should be arrested
only because the black community expected that
NOT because he believed zimmerman committed a crime


and still waiting for you to show where GEORGE zimmerman lied to the court about his financial condition
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this is psychotic. his lawyer admitted he lied. the judge explained how he lied. even another GZ supporter pointed all this out and you still deny it.
 
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