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Detective in Zimmerman case said he was pressured to file charges

sharon said:
LOLOL.. That's NOT how it works.. the Investigators gather the facts, ask for a writ of Capias in a sworn affidavit which then goes to the Prosecutor's office.
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You need an affidavit establishing probable cause for the charges, nothing more. Then the arrest, then you go in front of a judge/magistrate and they determine, with the affidavit in hand, what to do. You do not need an arrest warrant to arrest someone for a homocide.
 
vendur said:
You need an affidavit establishing probable cause for the charges, nothing more. Then the arrest, then you go in front of a judge/magistrate and they determine, with the affidavit in hand, what to do. You do not need an arrest warrant to arrest someone for a homocide.
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Wrong.. the investigators present a sworn affidavit to the prosecutor's office.

George claimed that he shot an unarmed teen in self defense.. how comical is that?

And the crime? He "looked like he was up to no good"....

I have been thru this with family members and several doctors... None of whom were as screwed up as George.

George is a sociopath and a narcissist.. who takes some heavy duty psychotropic drugs.

He had No business carrying a gun.

Wonder what Machelle will think when she finds out that George was dating Veronica?
 
vendur said:
You need an affidavit establishing probable cause for the charges, nothing more. Then the arrest, then you go in front of a judge/magistrate and they determine, with the affidavit in hand, what to do. You do not need an arrest warrant to arrest someone for a homocide.
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you just totally skipped over the state's attorney office proving you have no idea what you are talking about.
 
Furiounova said:
you just totally skipped over the state's attorney office proving you have no idea what you are talking about.
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Which the police/judge can do exactly. At some point it will end up back at the DA's office. Then they will have to drop the charges if they do not feel that probable cause has been established. If both a lead detective and a judge feel that there is probable cause, it's going to be extremely hard for the DA to drop those charges and live with the potential fallout. DA's are political animals afterall.


it's pretty clear Serino saw no probable cause, and simply kicked the can down the road to wash his hands of it.
 
vendur said:
Which the police/judge can do exactly. At some point it will end up back at the DA's office. Then they will have to drop the charges if they do not feel that probable cause has been established. If both a lead detective and a judge feel that there is probable cause, it's going to be extremely hard for the DA to drop those charges and live with the potential fallout. DA's are political animals afterall.


it's pretty clear Serino saw no probable cause, and simply kicked the can down the road to wash his hands of it.
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You have it completely backwards. It is the DA who presents the affidavit to the judge. Cops give their request for capias to the DA. The DA then investigates and if they agree they take their affidavit to either a grand jury or a judge. you really should learn the basics before posting.

if serinio saw no PC he wouldnt have filed a capias. do you realize how much trouble cops can get in for filing a false capias?
 
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Furiounova said:
You have it completely backwards. It is the DA who presents the affidavit to the judge. Cops give their request for capias to the DA. The DA then investigates and if they agree they take their affidavit to either a grand jury or a judge. you really should learn the basics before posting.

if serinio saw no PC he wouldnt have filed a capias. do you realize how much trouble cops can get in for filing a false capias?
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He asked for the capias to pass the proverbial buck. Which, again, squares perfectly with the feeling of being pressured by coworkers in regards to the case.

Oh, And Ii's called a ramey warrant. Feel free to apologize for wasting my time and the internet's bandwidth.
 
vendur said:
He asked for the capias to pass the proverbial buck. Which, again, squares perfectly with the feeling of being pressured by coworkers in regards to the case.

Oh, And Ii's called a ramey warrant. Feel free to apologize for wasting my time and the internet's bandwidth.
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You don't get it. Cops cannot falsely file a capias so he was not "kicking the can" because it is not the same as ordering a pizza.

Then you reference the Ramey warrant? So basically you searched for a way to justify your ignorance but you jumped the gun. The Ramey warrant is a CALIFORNIA law. This did not happen in California. Oops.
 
Furiounova said:
You have it completely backwards. It is the DA who presents the affidavit to the judge. Cops give their request for capias to the DA. The DA then investigates and if they agree they take their affidavit to either a grand jury or a judge. you really should learn the basics before posting.

if serinio saw no PC he wouldnt have filed a capias. do you realize how much trouble cops can get in for filing a false capias?
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this gives us some indication:
The lead Sanford police investigator in the Trayvon Martin shooting was transferred Tuesday from detective work to being a simple street cop, the department confirmed.
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justabubba said:
this gives us some indication:
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You have no idea what you are talking about which is why you still deny GZ lied to the court.

If he filed a false capias he would be fired and face jail time. It is clear from his investigation he did not buy GZ's BS. He could have been transferred for going against the Chief or accusing three officers of pressuring him to file charges.
 
Furiounova said:
Where do you come up with this? Serino poked plenty of holes in his story which is why Serino requested he be charged with manslaughter.

His first statement a couple of hours after the shooting isn't even consistent with the recorded call. There are far more inconsistencies but I'm sure you have a patented rubber stamp blanket deflection available.
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What holes did Serino poke in Z's self defense claim?

Z has the scenario pretty much locked down. The injuries, witness statements, physical evidence, chronology, etc.....are consistant to justify, the shooting

All you have are innuendos. You *think* you know what went down, but you can't prove squat

You're just blowing smoke. You have nothing
 
dontworrybehappy said:
It's what we've been saying all along. The evidence does not support the charge.

In addition to being found not guilty, I'd be willing to donate to the cause for Zimmerman to turn around and sue the Sanford PD for defamation.
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Zimmerman should have been charged. Whether and to what charge he should, or should not, be convicted is another matter. The uproar over his not being charged initially should have been expected, considering the available evidence.
 
I read the first page of the article and it's not giving definite answers. Which detective was pressured? Serino, and why was he pressured? Who was pressuring him?
 
While Florida law does not require it, just maybe this case should have gone before a Grand Jury to decide merit. Instead the new prosecuter became a jury of one (and possible biased) to take the case to court.

It will be interesting to see the case unfold and the prosecutor prove that TM did not throw the first punch and continue to attack GZ.
 
Geraldo said that black kid was wearing thug gear.
Zimmerman probably knew that.
 
Sig said:
Zimmerman should have been charged.
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Why? Chief Lee and SA Wolfinger looked at the same set of facts and concluded that there was not enough evidence to support a conviction

An action that's consistant with, the presumption of innocence. Period

Whether and to what charge he should, or should not, be convicted is another matter. The uproar over his not being charged initially should have been expected, considering the available evidence.
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What available evidence are you talking about besides the AA community "would be in an uproar" if Z isn't charged?

Read pages 93-94 from the FBI report dating, the 5th of April 2012


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mike2810 said:
While Florida law does not require it, just maybe this case should have gone before a Grand Jury to decide merit. Instead the new prosecuter became a jury of one (and possible biased) to take the case to court.

It will be interesting to see the case unfold and the prosecutor prove that TM did not throw the first punch and continue to attack GZ.
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It's easier to get a case by a GJ than it is a judge. You guys really don't know what the hell you are talking about because you are driven by the agenda to exonerate GZ instead of learning the most accurate info.
 
ric27 said:
Why? Chief Lee and SA Wolfinger looked at the same set of facts and concluded that there was not enough evidence to support a conviction

An action that's consistant with, the presumption of innocence. Period



What available evidence are you talking about besides the AA community "would be in an uproar" if Z isn't charged?

Read pages 93-94 from the FBI report dating, the 5th of April 2012


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Lee lost his job due to his conclusion. Wolfinger got investigated but I don't know the results.

It's funny you preach about "facts" while claiming GZ didn't reference TM as an asshole.
 
SheWolf said:
I read the first page of the article and it's not giving definite answers. Which detective was pressured? Serino, and why was he pressured? Who was pressuring him?
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Serino asserted three officers pressured him but he never said that is why he filed the capias and it would be pretty dumb for him to tell the FBI he filed a false capias so GZ supporters are once again stretching a grain of rice to equator size out of desperation.

The OP also falsely claimed one cop was a buddy of TM's dad.
 
Furiounova said:
It's easier to get a case by a GJ than it is a judge. You guys really don't know what the hell you are talking about because you are driven by the agenda to exonerate GZ instead of learning the most accurate info.
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You missed my point. By using the GJ, assuming they find cause to take the case forward, there is not a hint of bias by the DA.
As it stands now, people can question the DA motive.

how wrong your are. and what agenda are you following? (oh wait, it is pretty clear it is not to get to the truth).
 
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ric27 said:
Why? Chief Lee and SA Wolfinger looked at the same set of facts and concluded that there was not enough evidence to support a conviction.
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You have a teenager shot to death by an adult civilian for reasons which are not nearly obvious nor exculpatory. Unless some very convincing evidence is available to demonstrate the contrary, charges are expected and required.

An action that's consistant with, the presumption of innocence. Period
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This is the point!: There exists no clear presumption of innocence as far as the available evidence is concerned; to wit, the defendant's own version of events. Period. What is more, "presumption of innocence" is something that occurs in the courtroom, not in the prosecutor's office nor in the defense's office.

What we know thus far is that the defendant was apparently stalking the victim because he suspected him of potential malfeasance; a physical altercation occurred and the victim was shot to death for reasons which may, or may not, be justifiable as self-defense. That is all we really know at this juncture.
 
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Furiounova said:
Serino asserted three officers pressured him but he never said that is why he filed the capias and it would be pretty dumb for him to tell the FBI he filed a false capias so GZ supporters are once again stretching a grain of rice to equator size out of desperation.

The OP also falsely claimed one cop was a buddy of TM's dad.
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What I don't like about the article is the meandering. It should flat out explain the reason for the headline, and then go into the details. If feels like I have to read three pages and try to connect the dots on my own or something... :shrug:
 
SheWolf said:
What I don't like about the article is the meandering. It should flat out explain the reason for the headline, and then go into the details. If feels like I have to read three pages and try to connect the dots on my own or something... :shrug:
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This is a bit off topic, but listen to this.. Its so weird.

Its like there is someone else in the SUV with George.

A whisper.. "tell em"..

Odd clicks.. and what sounds like someone packing a pack of cigarettes against their hand.

Detailed Breakdown of George Zimmerman Call (Trayvon?, Someon Else?, Gun, etc.) - YouTube
 
Furiounova said:
Serino asserted three officers pressured him but he never said that is why he filed the capias and it would be pretty dumb for him to tell the FBI he filed a false capias so GZ supporters are once again stretching a grain of rice to equator size out of desperation.

The OP also falsely claimed one cop was a buddy of TM's dad.
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You should be careful when, in ignorance of facts/reality, you accuse someone else of "falsely claiming" something.

In his interview with the FBI, Serino indicated that Officer Barnes was chummy with tracy martin.

Speaking of tracy martin-- nice to see tracy martin replaced his crips gangbanger tattoo with something much more respectable, though.
 
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