Prosecutor releases new Zimmerman evidence

Furiounova said:

You accuse me of ignoring information? Lol.....after you ran away from the info that proved you wrong about GZ and directions and flashlight? lol

I'm not ignoring all the people who said he isn't racist. The article was saying NOBODY said he had any prejudice. We know that is false by his ex co-worker and witness nine, who has a name. In case you didn't know, she may testify at the trial if GZ's defense includes claiming GZ has no history of racism.

What you fail to understand is I am basing the claim GZ racially profiled TM based on GZ's own words. That is why it doesn't matter if ten million people said he isn't racist. it would not erase his own words.

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zimmerman said he suspected martin because martin was black?
where is that indicated in the evidence?

Furiounova said:

Too bad the evidence proves he did not slam his head in the concrete and he never touched GZ's gun. now call me a troll and a liar because that is how you respond to facts you don't like.

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Since you are lying about the evidence, you are lying. Now what?

That is what trolls do.
They lie like in the above quote and go around saying others haven't addressed what they already have.

Furiounova said:

You accuse me of ignoring information? Lol.....after you ran away from the info that proved you wrong about GZ and directions and flashlight? lol

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I did? I don't recall that. I have been busy at work and stopped checkign that thread because it got to a point where you got silly and I just didn't have time, but ok. Enjoy your supposed victory.

What you fail to understand is I am basing the claim GZ racially profiled TM based on GZ's own words.

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Even Serino disagrees with you that racism motivated him. But again, that is fine.

Simon W. Moon said:

I haven't ever seen anything that would lead me to believe that GZ was racist or that the killing was motivated by race. Iirc, I have said so in the past. Prob'ly in March sometime.

I am not at all surprised that they had trouble finding evidence of GZ's racism.
I blame fear and machismo more than racism.

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I don't think racism is why he killed him.

buck said:

I did? I don't recall that. I have been busy at work and stopped checkign that thread because it got to a point where you got silly and I just didn't have time, but ok. Enjoy your supposed victory.




Even Serino disagrees with you that racism motivated him. But again, that is fine.

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Then go back address the facts that proved your claims wrong. Or keep running.

In the request to charge GZ Serino specifically highlighted the fact he only reported blacks as suspicious from the time he moved into to TLR in 2009.

Furiounova said:

I don't think racism is why he killed him.

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I don't think racism is why he killed him either.
But racism may have played a role in why Trayvon attacked Zimmerman.
But since he is dead because of his own actions, we will never know.

Excon said:

Since you are lying about the evidence, you are lying. Now what?

That is what trolls do.
They lie like in the above quote and go around saying others haven't addressed what they already have.

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now call me a troll and a liar because that is how you respond to facts you don't like.

(thank you for proving me to be correct again)

Excon said:

I don't think racism is why he killed him either.
But racism may have played a role in why Trayvon attacked Zimmerman.
But since he is dead because of his own actions, we will never know.

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Actually, his dad brought him there to take GZ out. The suspension was just a cover and TM only pretended to be staying there so he could plan the perfect time to break into GZ's mansion and his Bentley.

He had been following GZ's movements all week and knew what time he would be going to the store on that Sunday evening. He even specifically bought that dark hoodie the day before to lure GZ into his trap. Alas, he forgot to pack his heat and only had skittles and tea so all that planning was for nothing.

Furiounova said:

now call me a troll and a liar because that is how you respond to facts you don't like.

(thank you for proving me to be correct again)

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Is that what you think happened. lol

:doh

ROTFLMAO

Furiounova said:

Then go back address the facts that proved your claims wrong. Or keep running.

In the request to charge GZ Serino specifically highlighted the fact he only reported blacks as suspicious from the time he moved into to TLR in 2009.

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So you are claiming that Serino lied to the investigators? Or are you acknowledging that fact didn't even persuade him? I'm not certain, but... Is 2009 when time started? Before that it was just vast wasteland? Why not take his entire record into account rather then just the piece that makes you think scores you points?

buck said:

So you are claiming that Serino lied to the investigators? Or are you acknowledging that fact didn't even persuade him? I'm not certain, but... Is 2009 when time started? Before that it was just vast wasteland? Why not take his entire record into account rather then just the piece that makes you think scores you points?

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I'm not accusing Serino of lying. I'm pointing out it is a fact in his request to have GZ charged he specifically highlighted GZ only reported black as suspicious from the time he moved there I'm 2009. For some reason Serino picked the timeline starting in 2009, not me.

You can do the typical move and ignore the facts or try something different and address them straight on.

Furiounova said:

In the request to charge GZ Serino specifically highlighted the fact he only reported blacks as suspicious from the time he moved into to TLR in 2009.

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Isn't your comment a bit misleading?
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"In all, police have records of 46 calls from Zimmerman since 2004, both to 911 and a nonemergency number, sometimes for reasons as mundane as reporting a pothole blocking a road, as he did in 2005.

The sheriff’s office released the records after Sanford police detectives requested them as part of the investigation into Martin’s death, Cannaday said. Cannaday said he did not believe that the number of calls Zimmerman made to police was itself concerning.
"I would not consider it excessive," Cannaday said. "That's typically what we encourage, is if anyone in the community sees something out of the ordinary, concerning, or suspicious, we would want for them to call."

The burglary of Olivia Bertalan’s home was just one of at least eight reported over the previous 14 months—several of which, neighbors said, involved young black men.

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So the police say GZ calls are not excessive, but, “typically what we encourage.”

Maybe GZ only reported what he saw. He cannot control the events he observes. I wonder what the other neighbors reported to police as suspecious person? The article link shows while not all crimes (8 in 14 months,) several did involve young black men. So there is evidence that it not uncommon for the crime in the development to be conducted by young black men.

mike2810 said:

Isn't your comment a bit misleading?
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"In all, police have records of 46 calls from Zimmerman since 2004, both to 911 and a nonemergency number, sometimes for reasons as mundane as reporting a pothole blocking a road, as he did in 2005.

The sheriff’s office released the records after Sanford police detectives requested them as part of the investigation into Martin’s death, Cannaday said. Cannaday said he did not believe that the number of calls Zimmerman made to police was itself concerning.
"I would not consider it excessive," Cannaday said. "That's typically what we encourage, is if anyone in the community sees something out of the ordinary, concerning, or suspicious, we would want for them to call."

The burglary of Olivia Bertalan’s home was just one of at least eight reported over the previous 14 months—several of which, neighbors said, involved young black men.

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So the police say GZ calls are not excessive, but, “typically what we encourage.”

Maybe GZ only reported what he saw. He cannot control the events he observes. I wonder what the other neighbors reported to police as suspecious person? The article link shows while not all crimes (8 in 14 months,) several did involve young black men. So there is evidence that it not uncommon for the crime in the development to be conducted by young black men.

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The FBI report stated 7 burglaries over a two year period. But that is beside the point.

For some reason Serino chose to highlight the fact GZ reported only blacks as suspicious from the time he moved there in 2009. I can't read his mind so I don't know exactly why he chose to do so but my guess would be it was to help show GZ created and caused the situation based on profiling TM as a criminal.

Furiounova said:

The FBI report stated 7 burglaries over a two year period. But that is beside the point.

For some reason Serino chose to highlight the fact GZ reported only blacks as suspicious from the time he moved there in 2009. I can't read his mind so I don't know exactly why he chose to do so but my guess would be it was to help show GZ created and caused the situation based on profiling TM as a criminal.

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ok, but by you bringing Serino comment into the debate , I suspect you agree with it. Why else post the fact? So what is your opinion?

Furiounova said:

I'm not accusing Serino of lying. I'm pointing out it is a fact in his request to have GZ charged he specifically highlighted GZ only reported black as suspicious from the time he moved there I'm 2009. For some reason Serino picked the timeline starting in 2009, not me.

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Maybe because it was all he had easy access to? I don't know. But I do know that Serino still indicated that Zimm did not act out of racism. You can either look at all the facts or just the facts that validate your opinion. I get why you chose option 2. I really do.

buck said:

Maybe because it was all he had easy access to? I don't know. But I do know that Serino still indicated that Zimm did not act out of racism. You can either look at all the facts or just the facts that validate your opinion. I get why you chose option 2. I really do.

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He had access to all of his call history and that is why it stuck out he chose 2009 as the starting year.

Iam looking at all the facts. It was you who chose to ignore what Serino stated in his request for capias. I am acknowledging Serino said it was based on attire. if you can't put 2+2 together I can't force you to do it.

mike2810 said:

ok, but by you bringing Serino comment into the debate , I suspect you agree with it. Why else post the fact? So what is your opinion?

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You need to retract the comment about me being misleading since it was not I who chose the timeline beginning in 2009.

I brought it up because people are repeating the claim Serino said racism did not play a role at all. His request to charge GZ suggests otherwise. Can you explain why he would specifically highlight GZ reporting only blacks as suspicious if there was no allusion to racial profiling?

Furiounova said:

You need to retract the comment about me being misleading since it was not I who chose the timeline beginning in 2009.

I brought it up because people are repeating the claim Serino said racism did not play a role at all. His request to charge GZ suggests otherwise. Can you explain why he would specifically highlight GZ reporting only blacks as suspicious if there was no allusion to racial profiling?

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Based on your track record here, you have no idea why Serino said anything he did.
So inferring racism is ridiculous.

Furiounova said:

You need to retract the comment about me being misleading since it was not I who chose the timeline beginning in 2009.

I brought it up because people are repeating the claim Serino said racism did not play a role at all. His request to charge GZ suggests otherwise. Can you explain why he would specifically highlight GZ reporting only blacks as suspicious if there was no allusion to racial profiling?

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Ok, you were just restating Serino statement.
You would have to ask Serino to why he highlighted GZ.

So let me ask more clear. Do you believe GZ racial profiled TM?

Excon said:

Based on your track record here, you have no idea why Serino said anything he did.
So inferring racism is ridiculous.

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Can you explain why he would specifically highlight GZ reporting only blacks as suspicious if there was no allusion to racial profiling?

Furiounova said:

Can you explain why he would specifically highlight GZ reporting only blacks as suspicious if there was no allusion to racial profiling?

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Only after asking Serino first.
But since this is being reported:

FBI interviews: No evidence Zimmerman a racist
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The new records show the FBI asked each person interviewed whether Zimmerman "displayed any bias, prejudice or irrational attitude against any class of citizen, religious, racial, gender or ethnic groups." They all said he hadn't. Coworkers described Zimmerman as "pleasant" and "outgoing."

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I seriously doubt it would be worth asking him.

This is the actual capias request by Serino.

On March 13, 2012, Chris Serino sent a capias request to the state's attorney recommending charges of negligent manslaughter against Zimmerman. The capias states, "the encounter between George Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin was ultimately avoidable by Zimmerman, if Zimmerman had remained in his vehicle and waited the arrival of law enforcement or conversely if he had identified himself to Martin as a concerned citizen and initiated dialog (sic) in an effort to dispel each party's concern". "There is no indication that Trayvon Martin was involved in any criminal activity at the time of the encounter." The State Attorney's office initially determined there was insufficient evidence to charge Zimmerman and did not file charges based on the capias request.

Martin family attorney Benjamin Crump told CNN's "Erin Burnett OutFront" on Thursday evening that the question of Zimmerman's attitudes on race was not pertinent

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Wasn;t that one of their big concerns prior to this release? Now it doesn't matter. That should telly ou something, Fur.

buck said:

Wasn;t that one of their big concerns prior to this release? Now it doesn't matter. That should telly ou something, Fur.

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It's the main reason the civil rights activists were brought in and initiated the whole case being nationalized.

A lot of GZ supporters think the case will get dismissed on the SYG law or that he can claim self defense at the trial. Florida suggests otherwise according to this statute on two relevant points:

Initially provokes the use of force against himself or herself, unless:

force is so great that the person reasonably believes that he or she is in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm and that he or she has exhausted every reasonable means to escape such danger other than the use of force which is likely to cause death or great bodily harm to the assailant; or

In good faith, the person withdraws from physical contact with the assailant and indicates clearly to the assailant that he or she desires to withdraw and terminate the use of force, but the assailant continues or resumes the use of force.
776.041 - - 2011 Florida Statutes - The Florida Senate

During or after the SYG hearing GZ will need to prove he qualifies to claim self defense at the trial. This is when the prosecution will highlight he does not qualify because he provoked the entire episode. He can claim TM hit him first but that is irrelevant to the Statute because it clearly states provocation and not physical contact.

He did not try to retreat and this is proven by the arguing between the two before the fight and shooting. There is also no evidence he tried to escape or use non deadly force prior to shooting. His bloody nose and head scratches are not a reasonable justification for deadly force as case history proves.

If he can't use self defense during the trial he is completely toazt.