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The origins of the Zimmerman case are entirely Democratic and promptly after swing-state Florida polling did not look good for Obama and that African-Americans were lackluster this time for Obama. Editorial one after another predicted Obama could not carry Florida without another huge African-American turnout.

Two Democratic former African-American candidates for President, Sharpston and Jackson, began raging how in Florida a white man race down a little African-American sweet child coming home from a candy store with Skittles, murdering him in cold blood.
Democrats in Congress put on hoodies, and declared this was a racial murder.
Democrat talking heads declared this was about Republican "SYG" laws, though at no time has GZ or his lawyer said anything but SYG is irrelevant to the defense.
The Democratic talking heads on MSNBC, CBS, CNN and ABC altered tapes, told more known fact-lies than can be counted day after day after day (all diverting talk from ObamaCare and the SCOTUS.)
The Democratic President Obama went on national TV to declare the relevance of it all was that Trayvon Martin was the right race and his deceased surrogate son by race.


On this forum, it appears 100% of those declaring GZ a murderer are also very hardcore, vocal Democrats. No exceptions. Even though the Democrat gods dropped this after more became learned about TM and the lies increasing exposed, they continue to spout EVERY Democrat talking point.

It also appears that all or nearly all Zimmerman supporters have posted opposition to Obama and Democrats on the forum.


So... as Democrats defined it, this case and people's opinion on it is nearly 100% partisan. I think that means it isn't about criminal justice.

I MIGHT be the only exception. Prior to this all, I posted many, many messages condemning Republicans and the impossibility of voting Republican for their religious agenda. But the extremes of this case made voting Democrat intolerable as at risk are my children, my wife and others being jailed, prosecuted, imprisoned for life or even executed for appearing to be the wrong race, and therefore having no right to defend themselves, even defend their own lives if under attack by the new legally superior race in the USA whose have unlimited rights, with prior civil and even constitutional rights denied everyone of the inferior wrong races.

That, of course, my editorial.

However, what appears fact is that people's opinions on this case can be determined merely by knowing which political party the person favors, meaning this isn't really a criminal case, but a political campaign and a racist and race-baiting political campaign of which George Zimmerman is the Democrat's political whipping boy.

Is there ONE forum member favoring Romney saying that GZ should be found guilty?
Is there ONE forum member saying Zimmerman acted in self defense who supports Obama?

If so, I don't know which member(s) that might be. This is partisan debate disguised as legal topics.
 
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I plan to vote for Romney at this juncture and I find it more likely than not that Zimmerman purposefully put himself into a dangerous ("life threatening") situation, thus provoking an 'attack' by Martin, thus 'requiring' the use of deadly force on Zimmerman's part to end the physical altercation. I do not believe, based on Zimmerman's account, 911 accounts, time lines, and witness testimony that this is a cut and dried self defense scenario.

That doesn't necessarily mean he's guilty of second degree murder, though.
 
Thanks for your acknowledgement of at least 1 exception.
 
I plan to vote for Romney at this juncture and I find it more likely than not that Zimmerman purposefully put himself into a dangerous ("life threatening") situation, thus provoking an 'attack' by Martin, thus 'requiring' the use of deadly force on Zimmerman's part to end the physical altercation. I do not believe, based on Zimmerman's account, 911 accounts, time lines, and witness testimony that this is a cut and dried self defense scenario....

he may have indeed acted in righteous self-defense, but his provoking of the incident still means he committed a crime.

when you initate an event, totally unprovoked & without justification, and end up killing in self-defense, you still have committed a crime.
 
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The origins of the Zimmerman case are entirely Democratic and promptly after swing-state Florida polling did not look good for Obama and that African-Americans were lackluster this time for Obama. Editorial one after another predicted Obama could not carry Florida without another huge African-American turnout.

Two Democratic former African-American candidates for President, Sharpston and Jackson, began raging how in Florida a white man race down a little African-American sweet child coming home from a candy store with Skittles, murdering him in cold blood.
Democrats in Congress put on hoodies, and declared this was a racial murder.
Democrat talking heads declared this was about Republican "SYG" laws, though at no time has GZ or his lawyer said anything but SYG is irrelevant to the defense.
The Democratic talking heads on MSNBC, CBS, CNN and ABC altered tapes, told more known fact-lies than can be counted day after day after day (all diverting talk from ObamaCare and the SCOTUS.)
The Democratic President Obama went on national TV to declare the relevance of it all was that Trayvon Martin was the right race and his deceased surrogate son by race.


On this forum, it appears 100% of those declaring GZ a murderer are also very hardcore, vocal Democrats. No exceptions. Even though the Democrat gods dropped this after more became learned about TM and the lies increasing exposed, they continue to spout EVERY Democrat talking point.

It also appears that all or nearly all Zimmerman supporters have posted opposition to Obama and Democrats on the forum.


So... as Democrats defined it, this case and people's opinion on it is nearly 100% partisan. I think that means it isn't about criminal justice.

I MIGHT be the only exception. Prior to this all, I posted many, many messages condemning Republicans and the impossibility of voting Republican for their religious agenda. But the extremes of this case made voting Democrat intolerable as at risk are my children, my wife and others being jailed, prosecuted, imprisoned for life or even executed for appearing to be the wrong race, and therefore having no right to defend themselves, even defend their own lives if under attack by the new legally superior race in the USA whose have unlimited rights, with prior civil and even constitutional rights denied everyone of the inferior wrong races.

That, of course, my editorial.

However, what appears fact is that people's opinions on this case can be determined merely by knowing which political party the person favors, meaning this isn't really a criminal case, but a political campaign and a racist and race-baiting political campaign of which George Zimmerman is the Democrat's political whipping boy.

Is there ONE forum member favoring Romney saying that GZ should be found guilty?
Is there ONE forum member saying Zimmerman acted in self defense who supports Obama?

If so, I don't know which member(s) that might be. This is partisan debate disguised as legal topics.
Howsabout ONE forum member that despises Romney AND Obama, will not vote for either, and believes Zimmerman was indeed guilty of some form of negligent manslaughter for creating the environment whereby a 17 y/o teenager ended up being shot.
 
Your premises are not all real or correct.
Your conclusions reached from these are not all real or correct either.
Appearances differ from reality.

confirmation bias

:shrug:
 
i believe zimmerman is not guilty or any crime and i am a (disappointed) Obama supporter
 
Howsabout ONE forum member that despises Romney AND Obama, will not vote for either, and believes Zimmerman was indeed guilty of some form of negligent manslaughter for creating the environment whereby a 17 y/o teenager ended up being shot.


I'm curious. What is the relevancy of his being age 17? And continually posting a 17 year old teenager is redundant begging the point. Here's a clue, all seventeen year olds are teenagers. All ages the end in "teen" are teenagers.

A person can sign to enlist in the military including the Marine Corp at age 17. Generally, a 17 year is certified as an adult in criminal cases too.

What is his being 17 relevancy to anything?

Thank you for your acknowledging exception. I won't really be voting for Romney other than comes from voting against Obama and without a pointless (in my opinion) 3rd party vote.
 
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Oh, sorry, I didn't mean to use big type in my OP. Computer problems keep reducing the size I can see for some reason.
 
I am decidedly conservative, but I don't have an opinion on the actual facts of the case either way. I don't like the racial overtones injected into it, nor the seemingly partisan lines of those with an opinion. This case will be decided in a court of law, and really needs to stay out of the court of public opinion. Trained lawyers will expose the facts of the case and argue their merits accordingly.

When it's all decided though, are we going to have another OJ moment? I can only hope.
 
for the TM supporters who keep saying the altercation is all GZ fault. With what facts that are out, I feel TM had a part in the escalation. Saying things like GZ should never have followed TM in the first place, is like saying TM should not have gone out that night.

What do you think would have happened if TM did not hit GZ? What if kept his cool. Let GZ hold him, (the police were responding, correct>). Heck, let him hold him at gun point?

my thoughts, TM would be alive.
The police would most likely look into GZ actions.
 
...Saying things like GZ should never have followed TM in the first place, is like saying TM should not have gone out that night.....

angrily pursuing TM was an intimidating & provicative act.

TM simply being in Sanford, was not intimidating & provocative.
 
angrily pursuing TM was an intimidating & provicative act.

TM simply being in Sanford, was not intimidating & provocative.

Are you really going to try hard to derail the topic of this thread?
 
Not caring for Obama or Romney and if a viable option presented itself, would certainly vote the option.

With the available known information that has been put forth from the proper authorities and on a jury at this time, would have to vote `not guilty as charged`.
 
You are a hardcore Democrat, right?
 
he may have indeed acted in righteous self-defense, but his provoking of the incident still means he committed a crime.

when you initate an event, totally unprovoked & without justification, and end up killing in self-defense, you still have committed a crime.
Trayvon initiated the incident by approaching Zimmerman and confronting him, and assaulting him in an angry manner.

angrily pursuing TM was an intimidating & provicative act.
The only angry pursuit was by Trayvon. :doh
 
I'm curious. What is the relevancy of his being age 17? And continually posting a 17 year old teenager is redundant begging the point. Here's a clue, all seventeen year olds are teenagers. All ages the end in "teen" are teenagers.

A person can sign to enlist in the military including the Marine Corp at age 17. Generally, a 17 year is certified as an adult in criminal cases too.

What is his being 17 relevancy to anything?

Thank you for your acknowledging exception. I won't really be voting for Romney other than comes from voting against Obama and without a pointless (in my opinion) 3rd party vote.
17 years old isnt old enough to even be stupid. He was a kid...a kid that made a few bad decisions before that night and a few bad decisions on that night. The 'adult' created an environment whereby the kid ended up dead.
 
angrily pursuing TM was an intimidating & provicative act.

TM simply being in Sanford, was not intimidating & provocative.

again, you dodge my question. What do you think would happen if TM did not throw the punch?
I also don't think you prove beyond doubt the use of the word angrily pursuing.
 
17 years old isnt old enough to even be stupid. He was a kid...a kid that made a few bad decisions before that night and a few bad decisions on that night. The 'adult' created an environment whereby the kid ended up dead.


What an excellent defense for gang violence. Doesn't count if they are under age 20. Can't even be defended against. Stupidity is the defense for assaulting people. LOL.

Now GZ is GOD! Creating the environment!!! ROFL!!
 
again, you dodge my question. What do you think would happen if TM did not throw the punch?
I also don't think you prove beyond doubt the use of the word angrily pursuing.

There was no pursuit and every rational person understands that GZ could not have run down TM. "Pursuit" is just a word game.

GZ "pursuing" TM is as rational as to claim a bicyclist was pursuing a Porsche down an Interstate.
 
There was no pursuit and every rational person understands that GZ could not have run down TM. "Pursuit" is just a word game.

GZ "pursuing" TM is as rational as to claim a bicyclist was pursuing a Porsche down an Interstate.

why? GZ was in good shape.
 
Martin was 5 feet, 11*inches tall and weighed 158 pounds at the time of his death.
Zimmerman's height is shown as 5'7" and his weight at 200 pounds on the Sanford Police Department Offense Report for 2/26/2012
 
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