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Written Statement/Written Confession

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The purpose is to focus on only his written statement on the night of the shooting since it is his first recorded narrative. Keeping in mind it was written only a couple of hours after the gunshot helps show how his credibility is hammered by his own recorded words.


(not in chronological order of events)

1. TM ran away twice while he was on the phone with dispatch. (recorded call has GZ exiting his vehicle when TM ran proving he did not disappear twice)

2. He claims when dispatch asked for a description of the "suspect" he said he didn't know. (RC has him describing TM as a black male in his late teens)

3. Claims when dispatch asked for the direction he ran that he didn't know. (RC has him clearly stating without hesitation he ran towards the back entrance, and he said it twice.)

4. Claims he could not remember the name of the street he was on when dispatch asked for his location. (RC has him stating the street name and address before dispatch even asked for an address)

5. Claims he exited his vehicle after TM ran only because he couldn't remember the street name. (again, he had already given it twice to dispatch)

6. Claims he was headed back to his truck after dispatch told him not to follow TM but why? (he never planned to meet the cops at his truck and even declined a meeting location in lieu of the cops calling his cell when they arrived. he didn't know where he would be because he planned to keep looking for TM)

7. Claims that after TM ran away the first time he returned and circled his vehicle. (RC has no mention of this at all and he certainly would have told dispatch if TM got close enough to circle his vehicle.

8. Claims the reason for the call was break ins and specifically a female neighbor. (later he claims it was because TM was in Taafe's yard)

9. Claims TM was looking into houses. (RC places TM at the clubhouse)

10. Claims he was only able to say one word ("No") before TM hit him. (at least three witnesses heard arguing before the fight proving he said more than one word)

11. Claims after the gunshot he held TM's hands away from his body until he saw a cop show up. (the police reports say TM's hands were under his body and TM was already dead and dead people can't usually move their hands under their body after they are dead.)

12. Claims he told a witness after the gunshot he had already called the cops. (witness states he asked for the cops to be called)

13. Claims TM was on top of him until he shot him. (two witnesses saw only one person on the ground before the gunshot)

14. Claims TM held his hands over his mouth and nose stopping him from breathing (911 call has no muffled cries for help and the cries are consistent. Also, there was no blood or DNA from GZ on TM's hands)

There may be more but those are the ones I see. All of these errors in this single statement that was made right after the shooting helps prove he lied about what happened thus inadvertently confessing to an unjustified shooting.
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2012/06/22/us/21george-zimmerman-transcript.html
 
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Some of this may be the result of the methamphetamines and Restoril.

If you combined that with a Sunday afternon beer.. you could have anxiety and paranoia.. especially if George's "mood disorder" includes OCPD.
 
Some of this may be the result of the methamphetamines and Restoril.

If you combined that with a Sunday afternon beer.. you could have anxiety and paranoia.. especially if George's "mood disorder" includes OCPD.

I think it the result of him knowingly illegally killing TM.

On Thursday morning the second batch of evidence hits the street so it will be interesting to see what else they have against GZ.
 
I am sure you really believe you have something wonderfully incriminating, but most of this is really just ho-hum and most of it is due to assumptions you are choosing to make. For example:

4. Claims he could not remember the name of the street he was on when dispatch asked for his location. (RC has him stating the street name and address before dispatch even asked for an address)

In the 911 call, he states the best address he can give is 1111 Retreat View Circle (the address of the clubhouse - it seems). RVC is the street he lives on and the street the club house is on, it is not the street his truck was at nor was it the street Trayvon was at. The street Trayvon was at that point located at is the street Zimm could not remember the name of. Twin Trees, is the name of the street he couldn't remember.

9. Claims TM was looking into houses. (RC places TM at the clubhouse)

He claims on the call that Travon is looking at houses. Just because he was near the clubhouse at one point on the call, does not mean he was at the clubhouse the entire time. In fact, we know for certain, that he was not at the clubhouse the entire time. Zimm had seen him even before he called nen, which would have been before he was aat the clubhouse.

13. Claims TM was on top of him until he shot him. (two witnesses saw only one person on the ground before the gunshot)

It seems obvious to me that they didn't see the entire encounter. Their statements are different then the others and as I recall, at least one of the witneses originally stated she couldn't see anything, then later, changed her story.

Here, from WIki:

Mary Cutcher and her roommate, Selma Mora Lamilla, appeared on AC 360 and Cutcher stated that she believes "there was no punching, no hitting going on at the time, no wrestling" just prior to the shooting, but admitted that she neither saw the shooting nor the preceding altercation.[134][135][136] Cutcher and her roommate heard the pair in their backyard and a "very young voice" whining, with no sounds of a fight. They heard a gunshot; the crying stopped immediately, and they saw Zimmerman on his knees straddling Martin on the ground.[134][136] Mary Cutcher phoned police after the fatal shooting and said the black man was standing over another man, although Trayvon Martin was already dead.[137] According to the Orlando Sentinel article, "Police spokesman Sgt. Dave Morgenstern [on March 15] issued a statement disputing Cutcher's version of events, calling her statements to WFTV "inconsistent with her sworn testimony to police."[138] However, Cutcher and her roommate maintain that their account of the incident to the police did not agree with Zimmerman's, and they demanded the police issue a retraction.[135]
 
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The new guy wants to start from scratch with him the discussion leader beginning with a long trash OP? I don't think so.

Maybe they will have leaned on people enough to get them to again declare what they said was a lie again and tell a contradictory 3rd story.
 
dolphinocean and him should team up.

That is if they can be online at the same time.
 
dolphinocean and him should team up.

That is if they can be online at the same time.

That is an awesome example of how to address the contents of an OP. You should open the College of Internet Discussion and don't be shy about charging a healthy tuition. Pure genius.
 
The new guy wants to start from scratch with him the discussion leader beginning with a long trash OP? I don't think so.

Maybe they will have leaned on people enough to get them to again declare what they said was a lie again and tell a contradictory 3rd story.

So basically in the absence of addressing the contents of the OP it is better to complain and hope that nobody notices?
 
I am sure you really believe you have something wonderfully incriminating, but most of this is really just ho-hum and most of it is due to assumptions you are choosing to make. For example:



In the 911 call, he states the best address he can give is 1111 Retreat View Circle (the address of the clubhouse - it seems). RVC is the street he lives on and the street the club house is on, it is not the street his truck was at nor was it the street Trayvon was at. The street Trayvon was at that point located at is the street Zimm could not remember the name of. Twin Trees, is the name of the street he couldn't remember.



He claims on the call that Travon is looking at houses. Just because he was near the clubhouse at one point on the call, does not mean he was at the clubhouse the entire time. In fact, we know for certain, that he was not at the clubhouse the entire time. Zimm had seen him even before he called nen, which would have been before he was aat the clubhouse.



It seems obvious to me that they didn't see the entire encounter. Their statements are different then the others and as I recall, at least one of the witneses originally stated she couldn't see anything, then later, changed her story.

Here, from WIki:

So you pick what looks like the three weakest points and even then fail to properly address them.

4. You (and GZ) want people to believe he could not remember the main entrance road to a place he lived for three years? The same road he had done patrols on? Have you ever bothered to check his past calls where he had no problem remembering the street name? Do you honestly think an honest person will believe he couldn't remember that street name?

What about the fact he claimed he got out only because dispatch asked him for a street name? We know from the RC he got out to pursue TM and it was only later dispatch asked for an address. Also, on the recorded call he never said he couldn't remember the name of the street. He only said he couldn't give an address due to being parked at a cut through.

9. He claims he pulled over as soon as he saw TM then stated TM was at the clubhouse. We also know Dee said TM first noticed GZ watching him while he was at the clubhouse and that was over a month before GZ's statement was released so your claim GZ saw before he got to the clubhouse is proven wrong by GZ and Dee. Also, his first statement makes no mention of Taaffe's yard but in later statements said that is where he saw TM.

14. Never said they saw the whole fight. Once again: two different witnesses saw only one person on the ground after the fight started but before the gunshot.

Now that you have picked what you thought were the three easiest points to counter how about picking the harder ones?
 
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You're saying Mr. Zimmerman did NOT call the non-emergency number to report a suspicious person before he and no_limit_nigga were even close to eachother.

I mean, we've had threads and threads all about the call. Why are you ignoring it?

The issue is after the shooting.. George tells TWO conflicting stories about the 911 call. Some people pay attention to the details.
 
dolphinocean and him should team up.

That is if they can be online at the same time.

You're the second GZ supporter to accuse of me of being a sock and it is not an accident paranoid people support GZ.
 
The issue is after the shooting.. George tells TWO conflicting stories about the 911 call.
Fact is, Mr. Zimmerman had in fact already called the cops. We've linked to the call directly on this forum. We've had numerous threads about that call. The police were already on their way. #12 ignores this. Your side just can't help but lie at every turn.

As a sidebar: Why would anyone NOT call the police? If you're the neighbor, and you heard a shot, look out and see someone dead, why would you ever think to ask permission like a little child?

Some people pay attention to the details.
Yeah but you just refuse to do so.
 
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You're the second GZ supporter to accuse of me of being a sock and it is not an accident paranoid people support GZ.
Check yourself. I haven't accused you of anything.

I think you need to learn the difference between an accusation and insinuating something.
 
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Fact is, Mr. Zimmerman had in fact already called the cops. We've linked to the call directly on this forum. We've had numerous threads about that call. The police were already on their way. #12 ignores this. Your side just can't help but lie at every turn.

As a sidebar: Why would anyone NOT call the police? If you're the neighbor, and you heard a shot, look out and see someone dead, why would you ever think to ask permission like a little child?


Yeah but you just refuse to do so.

He told a neighbor to call the police.. and he told someone he had already called the police.
 
He told a neighbor to call the police.. and he told someone he had already called the police.
He had already called the police. We've linked to the call. We've listened to it ourselves. We've talked about that call endlessly.

There's nothing wrong with asking a neighbor to call the police, either.

Here's the YouTube of the call:
 
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We had already called the police. We've linked to the call. We've listened to it ourselves. We've talked about that call endlessly.

There's nothing wrong with asking a neighbor to call the police, either.

I agree.....
 
You're saying Mr. Zimmerman did NOT call the non-emergency number to report a suspicious person before he and no_limit_nigga were even close to eachother.

I mean, we've had threads and threads all about the call. Why are you ignoring it?

Can you elaborate? not sure what you are asking.
 
Check yourself. I haven't accused you of anything.

I think you need to learn the difference between an accusation and insinuating something.

It is insulting to pretend you didn't accuse me of being a sock. Your semantics are about as smooth as a toddler learning to crawl.
 
He had already called the police. We've linked to the call. We've listened to it ourselves. We've talked about that call endlessly.

There's nothing wrong with asking a neighbor to call the police, either.

Here's the YouTube of the call:


You are missing the point. In his statement he claims he told someone he had already called the cops but at least one witness stated GZ asked for the cops to be called.

Come to think of it, is there any witness who confirms GZ said he already called the cops?
 
You are missing the point. In his statement he claims he told someone he had already called the cops but at least one witness stated GZ asked for the cops to be called.

Come to think of it, is there any witness who confirms GZ said he already called the cops?
lol

And somehow you think this matters.

That is ****en hilarious!
 
It is insulting to pretend you didn't accuse me of being a sock. Your semantics are about as smooth as a toddler learning to crawl.
Is that what you think?
Either learn the difference, or be insulted. Your choice.
 
lol

And somehow you think this matters.

That is ****en hilarious!

You claimed his statements are consistent yet you haven't even attempted to address his most obvious contradictions in his first recorded statement.
 
You claimed his statements are consistent yet you haven't even attempted to address his most obvious contradictions in his first recorded statement.

They are consistent.
 
Is that what you think?
Either learn the difference, or be insulted. Your choice.

Apparently it is against the rules to accuse people of being socks so you seek ways to skirt the rules. hilarious

any chance you will address the OP?
 
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