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Zimmerman made a threatening move before being struck [W:815]

buck said:
No they don't. GZ never indicated he spoke to Trayvon or Trayvon spoke to GZ, while GZ was in his truck. As best as I can tell, this is all in your head.
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Actually he did.. He claimed that while he was in his car Trayvon asked Are you following me to which George answered NO.
 
sharon said:
Actually he did.. He claimed that while he was in his car Trayvon asked Are you following me to which George answered NO.
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Please provide a cite. The only thing I have heard was when someone (Serino maybe?) asked Zimm if Trayvon said anything, Zimm stated if he did I didn't hear because my windows were up.
 
buck said:
No they don't. GZ never indicated he spoke to Trayvon or Trayvon spoke to GZ, while GZ was in his truck. As best as I can tell, this is all in your head.
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Sorry... he did give one account like that.. He said he answered NO and rolled up his windows.

He also told Serino that he was afraid of Trayvon before he got out of his truck.
 
joko104 said:
..In the 911 phone call, Zimmerman told the operator that TM reached into his pocket and waist band while approaching him....
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too bad that Zimmerman did NOT call 911!!!!!!

he called the Sanford PD's non-emergency number.

that's right, TM was such a dangerous threat to society, such an evil burglar, that he did NOT call 911, but instead the non-emergency number.

:)
 
Thunder said:
too bad that Zimmerman did NOT call 911!!!!!!

he called the Sanford PD's non-emergency number.

that's right, TM was such a dangerous threat to society, such an evil burglar, that he did NOT call 911, but instead the non-emergency number.

:)
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Means absolutely nothing. When you call 911, it's supposed to be for emergencies only. Stick to what you've got that makes sense. This is nonsensical.
 
sharon said:
Sorry... he did give one account like that.. He said he answered NO and rolled up his windows.
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Sorry... , he didn't. We have heard the statements and he never indicated that. Early on in the investigation it was reported that hte father stated that Serino told him that Trayvon may have spoke to him while Zimm was in his car. However, Zimm never actually indicated that so either Serino or the father were mistaken. Again, if he stated it, please tell us in which interview.
 
Thunder said:
too bad that Zimmerman did NOT call 911!!!!!!

he called the Sanford PD's non-emergency number.

that's right, TM was such a dangerous threat to society, such an evil burglar, that he did NOT call 911, but instead the non-emergency number.

:)
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I didn't know that. Actually, that was quite responsible of Zimmerman if that is what he did. Too many people tie up 911 with non-emergencies (such as heart attacks and fires). Calling in a suspicious person is not an emergency.

Your message is just begging strawmen. GZ did not phone in that TM was "a dangerous threat to society" or "an evil burglar." He phoned in about someone he saw as acting suspicious, something all police departments urge people to do.

Your message strongly suggests almost a desperate need to construct any possible negative about him or his actions out of trivial details.
 
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buck said:
Sorry... , he didn't. We have heard the statements and he never indicated that. Early on in the investigation it was reported that hte father stated that Serino told him that Trayvon may have spoke to him while Zimm was in his car. However, Zimm never actually indicated that so either Serino or the father were mistaken. Again, if he stated it, please tell us in which interview.
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Maybe it was the father and older brother.
 
joko104 said:
I didn't know that. Actually, that was quite responsible of Zimmerman if that is what he did. Too many people tie up 911 with non-emergencies (such as heart attacks and fires). Calling in a suspicious person is not an emergency.

Your message is just begging strawmen. GZ did not phone in that TM was "a dangerous threat to society" or "an evil burglar." He phoned in about someone he saw as acting suspicious, something all police departments urge people to do.

Your message strongly suggests almost a desperate need to construct any possible negative about him or his actions out of trivial details.
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I still say the only thing TM did to cause GZ to call the police was "walking while black."
 
sharon said:
Maybe it was the father and older brother.
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I just told you what it was. The father indicated that Serino told him that. One of them were mistaken, as we have heard the interviews and the only thing Zimm said was if he did say anything, i didn't hear it because my window was up.

So, now we know that Zimm's account is not unravaling, as you first indicated.
 
Thunder said:
Trayvon Martin's killer never identified himself: police | Reuters

"As Zimmerman responds to Martin, by his own admission, Zimmerman reaches into his pocket attempting to locate his cell phone," it said. "As Zimmerman reaches for his cell phone, he stated Martin replies 'You have one now,' and Martin punches Zimmerman in the face, knocking him to the ground."

well, well well.

It now appears that just before Trayvon Martin supposedly landed his first hit upon Zimmerman, Zimmerman reached into his pocket to grab his cell phone.

You know what? That is a problem.

Why? Because George Zimmerman had pursued trayvon Martin in his car and on foot, across the whole length of the neighborhood.

And when TM asks GZ "whay are you following me?", GZ starts to reach for something in his pocket.

was it a cell phone? was it a gun? was it a knife? TM didn't know, but he DID know that this strange man was pursuing him, and may indeed have meant him harm.

we don't know if the communication went the way GZ claims, but there is NO reason to doubt that he reached into his pocket after TM's question.

as I have stated months ago, TM may indeed have felt he was acting in self-defense based on GZ's actions, and GZ's reaching into his pocket for who knows what.....only vindicates that belief.

and once again, we have evidence of GZ totally screwing himself with his big mouth.

the right to remain silent isn't a joke, and perhaps he should have used it.
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[emphasis added by bubba]
want to thank thunder for posting this, which confirms what thunder has denied from day 1: that it was little trayvon martin, the no limit nigga, who initiated the physical conflict
this proves to us that zimmerman responded defensively
while we must be sorry for martin's loss of life, at least he will not be getting raped in prison, his destination had he lived thru this incident
thanks again, thunder
 
MaggieD said:
I still say the only thing TM did to cause GZ to call the police was "walking while black."
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Yep.......... Its tragic.

Do you know what I mean when I say 'self talk"?

By that I mean... he's up to no good, doesn't belong here, isn't an athelete training in the rain... he's on dope or something.
 
MaggieD said:
I still say the only thing TM did to cause GZ to call the police was "walking while black."
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I think the media so burned in the racial aspect it has stuck as must have some factual basis. But I suspect that GZ would have called in also if a Latino or white person. Even Sharon acknowledges that TM would have seemed to have been acting weird talking on a cell phone via an ear piece. TM would have been wandering back and forth talking on his cell phone by his ear piece. And if I remember correctly was behind the condos/apts, not out on the sidewalk.

The media also burned in that TM was "walking home with skittles" ... but TM was not walking home. He was pacing or wandering back and forth behind the residential townhouses talking via an earpiece on his cell phone in the dark in drizzling rain.

If you saw someone, a young adult, alone, wandering back and forth at night, in a drizzle, behind your neighbor's homes, and you knew that person didn't live in those homes, would you think that suspicious? Wonder what that person is doing behind those houses in the dark and the rain - not going anywhere?

Remember, GZ didn't even mention TM's race when he phoned in, though the media doctored the call to continue to try to burn in that this was racial. Most people would have mentioned race, not just clothing.

Then events one after another took a life of their own, which combined with personalities let to what happened. It is easy to point to a dozen foolish things GZ and TM did, neither had the skill or wisdom for the potentials they both walked into. Bad judgments in hindsight and being flawed humans does not a murderer make. Nor make a person a racist.
 
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buck said:
I just told you what it was. The father indicated that Serino told him that. One of them were mistaken, as we have heard the interviews and the only thing Zimm said was if he did say anything, i didn't hear it because my window was up.

So, now we know that Zimm's account is not unravaling, as you first indicated.
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I just don't believe that Trayvon ran back and circled his truck. Wouldn't George have mentioned that to the dispatcher?

I also don't believe that Trayvon gave George a savage or prolonged beating... because Trayvon didn't have blood on his hands. How is that possible?
 
joko104 said:
...Your message strongly suggests almost a desperate need to construct any possible negative about him or his actions out of trivial details.
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you mean like how you baselessly accused TM of being a racist, of never doing a nice thing for anyone in his entire life?

come on now, my memory is good...and I remember what you say.
 
sharon said:
I just don't believe that Trayvon ran back and circled his truck. Wouldn't George have mentioned that to the dispatcher?
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I suspect it was around the time that Zimm indicated that Trayvon was just looking at him. I picture Trayvon kind of looking in the truck and having to walk around it while on his way to his destination. Would Zimm mention it to the dispatcher? Not necessarily. Would the dispatcher have done anythign different between "now he's walking around my truck" and "now he's just staring at me"? I don't think so, but you are free to disagree.
 
Thunder said:
you mean like how you baselessly accused TM of being a racist, of never doing a nice thing for anyone in his entire life?

come on now, my memory is good...and I remember what you say.
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too late, you can't take it back now, thunder
you have already proven to us how martin was the one who initiated the physical assault upon zimmerman
 
justabubba said:
too late, you can't take it back now, thunder
you have already proven to us how martin was the one who initiated the physical assault upon zimmerman
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which was legal, as he was defending himself against GZ, who made a threatening move.

its called "self-defense".
 
buck said:
I suspect it was around the time that Zimm indicated that Trayvon was just looking at him. I picture Trayvon kind of looking in the truck and having to walk around it while on his way to his destination. Would Zimm mention it to the dispatcher? Not necessarily. Would the dispatcher have done anythign different between "now he's walking around my truck" and "now he's just staring at me"? I don't think so, but you are free to disagree.
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That would mean that Trayvon walked past his truck and out of sight ..... and then returned to circle it.. Seems implausible to me.
 
Thunder said:
which was legal, as he was defending himself against GZ, who made a threatening move.

its called "self-defense".
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you are right
it was a matter of self defense
and thank you for explaining who threw the first punch
 
justabubba said:
too late, you can't take it back now, thunder
you have already proven to us how martin was the one who initiated the physical assault upon zimmerman
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The assault is the thing that is giving the prosecution serious doubts.

Prosecutors say Zimmerman's injuries are not severe enough for the thrashing he claims to have endured. .. and there was no blood on Trayvon's hands.

Giving George the benefit of the doubt (that he really didn't count 24 punches.. and it doesn't matter) Either Trayvon did not beat him after the first punch or that George was able to block all those punches.
 
sharon said:
George may have been completely unaware that his own behavior was suspicious and threatening. Who do you suppose he was going to call?

If he had time for a phone call, he certainly could have identified himself to Trayvon.
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you would have to ask GZ. Thunder brought up the theory that GZ was reaching for something and TM struck him.
 
mike2810 said:
ah, your story is about TM thinking it was a gun? Then he punched GZ as he was going for his cell phone. Seems to me you just admitted TM was the one who initiated the fight and was the aggressor.
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The pursuer is the aggressor.

joko104 said:
[....] TM might have had a knife or gun in his pocket for all GZ knew.
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Then GZ should not have participated in the pursuit.

justabubba said:
you told us yourself
martin responded violently to zimmerman's innocent act of reaching for his phone
great admission
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The police occasionally shoot innocent people that they have cornered, when that person makes an unwise move -- like reaching for something in their pocket. Zimmerman, the pursuer, only suffered a sucker punch (allegedly). Under FL SYG, Martin would have been justfied in shooting him dead on the spot.

Assuming, of course, that Zimmerman is telling the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.
 
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