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Next debunking of character assasination of Zimmerman

Thunder said:
wrong.

GZ pursued TM, in his car and on foot, while uttering erratic profanities.

that is stalking.
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False.
No you are just lying.

He did not Pursue.

He followed.
 
Thunder said:
he pursued Martin while uttering erratic profanities to himself. he thought Martin was a criminal due to his appearance.

THAT is stalking. Its that simple.
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Wrong.
Pursue entails catching.

There was no intent to catch and it is therefore just simply following.
 
Excon said:
Wrong.
Pursue entails catching.

There was no intent to catch and it is therefore just simply following.
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In one definition. Words have many definitions. What grade is this debate?

Excon said:
False.
No you are just lying.


He did not Pursue.


He followed.
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As I have shown on another thread, one definition of "follow" is to pursue. LOL
 
whysoserious said:
In one definition. Words have many definitions. What grade is this debate?



As I have shown on another thread, one definition of "follow" is to pursue. LOL
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I think we should just except that he will keep denying these simple truths forever, as a red-herring....and move on.
 
whysoserious said:
In one definition. Words have many definitions. What grade is this debate?



As I have shown on another thread, one definition of "follow" is to pursue. LOL
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You didn't show that.

You showed that one definition of follow entails pursue to overtake. Which does not fit Zimmerman's actions.

His actions were simple "following".
 
Excon said:
You didn't show that.

You showed that one definition of follow entails pursue to overtake. Which does not fit Zimmerman's actions.

His actions were simple "following".
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Zimmerman was very keen that this "burglar" not get away and make a fool of him again.

Funny that he went to get the name of the street.. Retreat View Circle.. the street where he lived. LOLOLOL

Police arrest Jimmy Hargrove for stalking, touching women in Walmart | wtsp.com

Police arrest Jimmy Hargrove for stalking, touching women in Walmart | wtsp.com
 
Thunder said:
Zimmerman-supporters have baselessly accused Tayvon Martin of a hate-crime, of being a racist, of being a thug, of committing attempted-murder, of being a drug-dealer, of living a life of crime, of having a violent past, of being an asshole, of being a punk...and of not doing one single nice thing for anyone in his entire life............and yet we are supposed to consider GZ a victim of character-assassination??

no.
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I support Zimmerman in that he deserves his day in court and shouldn't be villified in the press or anywhere else. But that happens all the time. DP gives me a place to voice my disapproval of same. I think that, at the very least, he was over-charged. At best, he may be found not guilty. This was a horrrible accident, as I see it...percipitated solely by GZ's actions. Did he intentionally set out to murder this kid? Absolutely not. Did he ultimately become afraid for his life? I believe he did. It is just as wrong to commit character assassination on GZ as it is on TM. The fact that GZ pushed his girlfriend five years prior is not indicative that he is a violent man. That he may have teased a co-worker is not indicative that he's violent or prejudiced. Hopefully, a jury will see through a lot of this crap (if it's even admissible) and the guy can get a fair trial.

Definition of second degree murder in Florida:

Murder with a Depraved Mind occurs when a person is killed, without any premeditated design, by an act imminently dangerous to another and evincing a depraved mind showing no regard for human life.
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It is not imminently dangerous to walk up to someone . . . nor to follow someone. IMO, unless the state can prove that GZ struck TM first, I don't think the state can prove him guilty.

These horrible accidents are the price society must occasionally and rarely pay for the right of ordinary citizens to carry weapons.
 
Excon said:
You didn't show that.

You showed that one definition of follow entails pursue to overtake. Which does not fit Zimmerman's actions.

His actions were simple "following".
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Excon said:
Are you daft?

There was no attempt to "overtake".

And there was no "stealthy manner" involved in Zimmerman's following. Duh!
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Uhh, are you saying Zimmerman was not trying to catch up to Martin?

Overtake - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary
Merriam-Webster Definition of Overtake
1 a : to catch up with

Seems to me that "to pursue in an effort to catch up with" is exactly what the **** Zimmerman was doing. LOL

Is anyone else laughing as hard as I am? Keep diggin' man, it's fun to watch.
 
MaggieD said:
So now you know what he was thinking???? OMG, Sharon.
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He did say those things out loud - in so many words. He said, "these assholes always get away... yep" - I believe that is correct. I guess the "make a fool of him again" part was a bit ad libbed by sharon though.
 
whysoserious said:
Uhh, are you saying Zimmerman was not trying to catch up to Martin?

Overtake - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary
Merriam-Webster Definition of Overtake
1 a : to catch up with

Seems to me that "to pursue in an effort to catch up with" is exactly what the **** Zimmerman was doing. LOL

Is anyone else laughing as hard as I am? Keep diggin' man, it's fun to watch.
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lol

Of course he wasn't trying to catch-up. He was trying to see where he was.
Which is totally different than trying to catch-up.

But this is a great example of the side you are on trying to distort definitions just to fit your false narrative.
 
Excon said:
lol

Of course he wasn't trying to catch-up. He was trying to see where he was.
Which is totally different than trying to catch-up.

But this is a great example of the side you are on trying to distort definitions just to fit your false narrative.
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Catch up to just means get closer. It does not necessarily mean meet or confront. Clearly Zimmerman was trying to get nearer to Martin as that is the only way that he could keep an eye on him.

Follow and pursue are synonyms... sorry if that is problem for you. Take it up with the ****ing world.
 
whysoserious said:
Catch up to just means get closer. It does not necessarily mean meet or confront. Clearly Zimmerman was trying to get nearer to Martin as that is the only way that he could keep an eye on him.

Follow and pursue are synonyms... sorry if that is problem for you. Take it up with the ****ing world.
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Wow!

You are just so far out there.

Since "overtake" doesn't fit, you want to rest on just synonyms. Not accurate definition of the words, but on synonyms. :doh
That is called being dishonest, and as far as I am concerned, pathetic.



Zimmerman was not stalking by any definition of the word.
He was not pursuing and he was not acting in a stealthy manner.

You both are, and have been wrong about this specific issue.

He was following.
 
Thunder said:
will you keep an open mind that George Zimmerman may be guilty of Manslaughter?
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I have stated that on threads discussing BZ.
What is interesting is the State going for 2nd degree murder. That I don't will fly.
 
mike2810 said:
I have stated that on threads discussing BZ.
What is interesting is the State going for 2nd degree murder. That I don't will fly.
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maybe not, but Manslaughter surely will.

when you stalk someone in you car and on foot, while uttering erratic profanities, and then end up killing that person EVEN in self-defense, you are still guilty of a crime.
 
Thunder said:
maybe not, but Manslaughter surely will.

when you stalk someone in you car and on foot, while uttering erratic profanities, and then end up killing that person EVEN in self-defense, you are still guilty of a crime.
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maybe, maybe not. you still may be justified and found not guilty. Hence, the trial.
Where is your open mind you ask of us?
 
mike2810 said:
maybe, maybe not. you still may be justified and found not guilty. Hence, the trial.
Where is your open mind you ask of us?
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I have an open mind, as I have stated time & time again that TM may have started the confrontation.
 
Thunder said:
when you stalk someone in you car and on foot,
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There you go again. There was no stalking.



Thunder said:
I have an open mind, as I have stated time & time again that TM may have started the confrontation.
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No you don't.

Your mind is shut to the known evidence.

That is what says Trayvon started the confrontation.
 
Excon said:
There you go again. There was no stalking.



No you don't.

Your mind is shut to the known evidence.

That is what says Trayvon started the confrontation.
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Pretty amazing how many Americans don't know right from wrong.. They want to repackage it with liberal or conservative or according to skin color.
 
Thunder said:
there is no hard evidence that TM started the confrontation.
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There is evidence. Evidence that is supported by other evidence.


That is what matters.
 
Thunder said:
wrong.

there is no hard evidence that TM started the fight.

only the word of a known liar.
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Wrong!
False!
A lie, because you already know.

There is evidence.
And that evidence is supported by other evidence.
That is what matters.

Btw, you have no evidence Zimmerman lied.
 
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