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Video: George Zimmerman's Reenactment of Trayvon Martin Shooting [W:1340]

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Grim17 said:
OMG... You are like a skipping record album.

How pathetic.
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Thunder is never going to back down on this.

I know we have our differences and take our shots at eachother Grim but this is a situation where I think everyone should be able to come together on the facts coming out of this case.

At first I wasn't willing to completely condemn Zimmerman, though I thought perhaps he was playing Rambo but I'm not going to get into that.

In the end, if things did transpire the way it appeared in this video, Zimmerman will be vindicated only for those of us capable of being fair.

In the end though, because of many others he will never, ever be able to live in peace.

In the end, we will never know the entire truth of what happened that fateful night... but I know one thing, there doesn't appear to be enough to convict Zimmerman.
 
Jetboogieman said:
..In the end, if things did transpire the way it appeared in this video, Zimmerman will be vindicated only for those of us capable of being fair....
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um, of course George is gonna portray the event in the best possible light for his defense. He is on trial for his life!

I see no reason to give him the benefit of the doubt, considering his recent dishonesty & his aggressive/angry mindset on the 9-11 tape.
 
He seems believable to me. I think it would be hard to make up such details on the fly, with all that happened.
 
Grim17 said:
Be sure to let the next video auto-play... It's the video of the lie detector test and Zimmerman gives details that thus far, we have only speculated about.
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I let it auto play to the next video, of a tour boat captain getting his hand bit off by an alligator. Interesting, but not quite what I was looking for. BTW, even after getting his hand bitten off, which would seem to be plenty punishment, the captain will now be facing charges for feeding the gator (the hand, I presume :)). Geeze. Talk about cruel.

If you can find it again, may post the vid of the lie detector test.
 
Interesting part from the end of the article. . .

But in a Feb. 29 interrogation, lead investigator Chris Serino openly doubts the story.

"You ever hear of Murphy's law?" asks Serino. "This person was not doing anything bad. You know the name of the person that died?"

"Tavon," responds Zimmerman

"Trayvon," Serino shot back.

"Trayvon Martin" responds Zimmerman.

"Trayvon Benjamin Martin…He was 17…A kid with a future," said Serino. "In his possession we found a can of ice tea and a bag of Skittles. And $40 in cash. Not the goon."

Serino then peppered Zimmerman about if he had any law enforcement experience, and why he deemed Martin suspicious and decided to follow him.

"You know you are going to come under a lot of scrutiny over this, correct?" asks Serino. "Had this person been white would you have felt the same way?"

"Yes," responded Zimmerman.

Serino then questioned the extent of Zimmerman's injuries telling him that they don't seem consistent with someone involved in a life or death struggle. A medical report obtained earlier by ABC News revealed that Zimmerman suffered a broken nose and two lacerations on the back of his head.

Another investigator then asked why didn't he just identify himself as a member of the local neighborhood watch. Both investigators then ask if it was raining outside, and if he decided not to follow Martin after the non-emergency dispatcher asked him to get back in the car why didn't he.

"You wanted to catch him. You wanted to catch the bad guy," said Serino aggressively later in the interview, implying that it was Zimmerman who instigated the altercation.

Lead investigator Serino later recommended that manslaughter charges be brought up against Zimmerman, but Seminole County State's Attorney Norm Wolfinger rejected the request citing a lack of solid evidence. The initial lack of an arrest in the case led to widespread protests, and propelled the case into the national headlines. In April, special prosecutor Angela Corey appointed by Florida Gov. Rick Scott charged Zimmerman with second degree murder.

The Martin family issued a statement today through their lawyer Benjamin Crump.

"When you look at the hand-written statement written by George Zimmerman on the night of the shooting that he did before he talks to lawyers, his words, and take that into consideration with the audio statements, the witness interviews, and the previously released evidence, it is clear to us why Angela Corey charged George Zimmerman with second degree murder," the family said.
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longview said:
He seems believable to me. I think it would be hard to make up such details on the fly, with all that happened.
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I agree... He seems very believable to me also.

Isn't funny how his demeanor is so much different than you would have expected, based on the picture used and how he was depicted, by the main stream media back in the beginning?
 
buck said:
I let it auto play to the next video, of a tour boat captain getting his hand bit off by an alligator. Interesting, but not quite what I was looking for. BTW, even after getting his hand bitten off, which would seem to be plenty punishment, the captain will now be facing charges for feeding the gator (the hand, I presume :)). Geeze. Talk about cruel.

If you can find it again, may post the vid of the lie detector test.
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LoL... It's there, toward the bottom of the page, along with 2 reports that aired on ABC News.
 
longview said:
He seems believable to me. I think it would be hard to make up such details on the fly, with all that happened.
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From the longer video, we still have no explanation for the missing minute or two.

According to the video the fight commenced seconds after the end of the 911 call.

And the "following/we don't need you to do that" exchange took place at the "tee".

The "circling" bit is interesting, and that they became aware of each other BEFORE the clubhouse.

Have to look at the tapes again to put it all together.

Finally something solid to work with. From the horse's mouth, as it were.
 
His story doesn't seem to match that closely to the recording of him talking to the dispatcher.
I don't recall the dispatcher asking GZ if GZ could get to where he could see TM.

GZ says that he was at the club house when he lost sight of Martin. That's different than the info we were working with.
Pays to hear it from the horse's mouth I s'pose.

GZ also says that he told the operator that TM circled his car. I don't recall that part. I'll have to double check the audio for that call.

GZ says that he couldn't remember the name of the street he was on so he went to another street to get an address because the operator told him that they needed an address. I don't recall that part of the phone call either.
Too bad GZ didn't think to head the other way to the intersection where he could have found the name of the street that he was on instead of going to find an address of on street where he wasn't.

GZ's recollection of the call to the dispatcher is different from mine. I don't recall the dispatcher asking if GZ still wanted a cop.

That does answer some of my questions though.
 
Stardog said:
Interesting part from the end of the article. . .
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I'm actually in the process of listening to that tape now. You can tell that Serino is doubtful of Zimm, although everything that I have heard up to this point makes Zimm's story more believable. Zimm really should have requested an attorney, especially with the slightly hostile interview by serino. Zimm probably just thought I did nothing wrong, I have nothing to hide, I don't need a lawyer.
 
Simon W. Moon said:
I don't recall the dispatcher asking GZ if GZ could get to where he could see TM.
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I think the difference is due to what the operator stated and what Zimm took it to mean. It happens quite often.

GZ also says that he told the operator that TM circled his car. I don't recall that part. I'll have to double check the audio for that call.
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I don't believe he indicated circles, but Zimm did state that Tray was looking at him - I assume that is the point where Tray was "circling".
 
I still don't understand why he would walk away from his vehicle at the street he was on across to a different street to tell police where his vehicle is. It seems like an attempt to create an excuse to follow Martin when he knows the police told him not to.
 
buck said:
I'm actually in the process of listening to that tape now. You can tell that Serino is doubtful of Zimm, although everything that I have heard up to this point makes Zimm's story more believable. Zimm really should have requested an attorney, especially with the slightly hostile interview by serino. Zimm probably just thought I did nothing wrong, I have nothing to hide, I don't need a lawyer.
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Yea, never agree to be interviewed by the police without a lawyer.
 
Stardog said:
I still don't understand why he would walk away from his vehicle at the street he was on across to a different street to tell police where his vehicle is. It seems like an attempt to create an excuse to follow Martin when he knows the police told him not to.
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The thing that doesn't gibe with me is that he has called the cops numerous times to his community of three streets but somehow doesn't know the names of two of them.

Its not unusual to not know nearby street names, but how did he tell the cops where to go? Does he have memory issues?
 
buck said:
I think the difference is due to what the operator stated and what Zimm took it to mean. It happens quite often.
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That's possible. In the video GZ says that he told the operator that he lost sight of TM twice. In response to telling the operator that he lost sight of TM, GZ says that the operator asked GZ to get to where he could see TM.
Yet, in my memory of the call, GZ only mentions losing sight of M once.

buck said:
I don't believe he indicated circles, but Zimm did state that Tray was looking at him - I assume that is the point where Tray was "circling".
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The impression I got from listening to the call was that TM walked past GZ's car. Approached it, and walked past it.
 
buck said:
You can tell that Serino is doubtful of Zimm...
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I haven't listened to the tape. But I thought someone had said that Serino thought GZ was in the clear. I think there're some quotes about Serino's assessment of the evidence used as examples of this.

I s'pose it could be possible that Serino thought GZ did wrong AND that there wasn't enough supporting evidence.
 
What if...? said:
The thing that doesn't gibe with me is that he has called the cops numerous times to his community of three streets but somehow doesn't know the names of two of them.

Its not unusual to not know nearby street names, but how did he tell the cops where to go? Does he have memory issues?
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I thought the same thing. Maybe he was nervous and had a "brain fart" as we say in our house. Lord knows I do that a lot!
 
Jetboogieman said:
Thunder is never going to back down on this.

I know we have our differences and take our shots at eachother Grim but this is a situation where I think everyone should be able to come together on the facts coming out of this case.

At first I wasn't willing to completely condemn Zimmerman, though I thought perhaps he was playing Rambo but I'm not going to get into that.

In the end, if things did transpire the way it appeared in this video, Zimmerman will be vindicated only for those of us capable of being fair.

In the end though, because of many others he will never, ever be able to live in peace.

In the end, we will never know the entire truth of what happened that fateful night... but I know one thing, there doesn't appear to be enough to convict Zimmerman.
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I think it's likely he won't be convicted unless the forensic evidence and trajectory of the bullet proves he isn't telling the truth... but that doesn't mean I entirely believe his statement either. I don't think most people believe his story entirely.
 
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