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Why This Case?

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One of the things about the Zimmerman/Martin case that puzzles me is; why did this particular case get so much media attention? There are murders every day. Some of the murders are pretty spectacular. Some of them involve different ethnicities. Yet few of them get the attention of the Zimmerman/Martin case. I don't get it. I really don't. I have heard it said that the media throws its full attention only onto cases that involve specifically white-on-black crime, as if the media is trying to show America that it is whitey who is committing the cross-racial crimes. There may be some truth to it but I don't blame the media for being something of a watchdog for minorities. I wonder if the Zimmerman/Martin case might not have been swept under the rug without some media attention. But all that aside, all the attention still seems like overkill, both from the media's endlessly pushing this case on us, to us, the public, sucking it all in and making entire internet forum folders dedicated to the case. Personally, I was ready for the next big news item three days after the Zimmerman/Martin case broke.
 
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KatieGirl said:
One of the things about the Zimmerman/Martin case that puzzles me is; why did this particular case get so much media attention? There are murders every day. Some of the murders are pretty spectacular. Some of them involve different ethnicities. Yet few of them get the attention of the Zimmerman/Martin case. I don't get it. I really don't...
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if it wasn't for the quick release of Zimm without any charges pressed, this case would have gotten much less attention. Plus the SYG element is part of it.
 
KatieGirl said:
One of the things about the Zimmerman/Martin case that puzzles me is; why did this particular case get so much media attention? There are murders every day. Some of the murders are pretty spectacular. Some of them involve different ethnicities. Yet few of them get the attention of the Zimmerman/Martin case. I don't get it. I really don't. I have heard it said that the media throws its full attention only onto cases that involve specifically white-on-black crime, as if the media is trying to show America that it is whitey who is committing the cross-racial crimes. There may be some truth to it but I don't blame the media for being something of a watchdog for minorities. I wonder if the Zimmerman/Martin case might not have been swept under the rug without some media attention. But all that aside, all the attention still seems like overkill, both from the media's endlessly pushing this case on us, to us, the public, sucking it all in and making entire internet forum folders dedicated to the case. Personally, I was ready for the next big news item three days after the Zimmerman/Martin case broke.
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There is some mystery and misdirection of the truth, conflicts in testimony conflicts in evidence. It seems difficult to know what was in the mind of Trayvon and Zim.

What was Zim thinking, immediately after having been punched in the nose, and as Zim was falling toward the ground. A desision had to have been made, either to fall to the ground, and come to a motionless stop on the ground, or a decision to try to roll as he hit the ground, and get back up to retreat as soon as possible. Zim told the police that he was trying to go back to his SUV, some 70 feet away, implying that Zim was not taking a flop, that Zim was trying to run or otherwise retreat, back to his SUV. Zim implies that he was UNABLE to get up, at any point in his fall and landing on the ground, but does not desribe any actual effort made to regain his feet.

To me, since Zim is a potted plant liar, lying more by omission, half-truths and misdirection, and conspiracy, Zim' omission of any account of trying to get up after being punched in the nose, is silence for Zim's self-benefit, and Zim's statement that he was heading back to his SUV is a half-truth, because Zim, I believe, was actually trying to engage Trayvon.

Zim was only headed back to his SUV, because Trayvon had gotten too far ahead of Zim, for Zim to follow Trayvon. So Zim was trying to draw out Trayvon, by heading back to his SUV. Is there proof? Only my experience with Potted Plant Liars, and Zim's omissions from his statements. Mysterious.

News ratings go up when news of Zim is discussed. The Media mostly only put things on that incrase their ratings, which they constantly measure against other news programs, and what they are covering.


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KatieGirl said:
One of the things about the Zimmerman/Martin case that puzzles me is; why did this particular case get so much media attention? There are murders every day. Some of the murders are pretty spectacular. Some of them involve different ethnicities. Yet few of them get the attention of the Zimmerman/Martin case. I don't get it. I really don't. I have heard it said that the media throws its full attention only onto cases that involve specifically white-on-black crime, as if the media is trying to show America that it is whitey who is committing the cross-racial crimes. There may be some truth to it but I don't blame the media for being something of a watchdog for minorities. I wonder if the Zimmerman/Martin case might not have been swept under the rug without some media attention. But all that aside, all the attention still seems like overkill, both from the media's endlessly pushing this case on us, to us, the public, sucking it all in and making entire internet forum folders dedicated to the case. Personally, I was ready for the next big news item three days after the Zimmerman/Martin case broke.
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The mother.

Her emotional response and stubborn nature - regardless of what view anyone holds on the case - was so captivating and compelling. She really touched a lot of people. It's not very often that the parent of a victim or even a perpetrator (however Treyvon is viewed in this situation) gets so involved and directive and really takes people like that.

I think people identified with *her* pain more than Martin or Zimmerman and the overall case itself . . . for many it doesn't seem to be abount the men involved or his death - but her - her suffering. Regardless of who did what; in the end her son is still dead. No matter what happened - he was still her son.

She is why the media paid attention.

Other cases that have received equal attention have done so for the exact same reason - regardless *of* the nature of the issue; people tend to judge cases on such a vast level based on the emotional outpouring of the immediate family (mainly mothers) on tv - good or bad. Guilty or not.

The Holloways are a good example of how the family can further events.

Anytime you have immediate family that's heavily emotional or seriously involved - you have media attention = public attention.
 
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The mother.

Her emotional response and stubborn nature - regardless of what view anyone holds on the case - was so captivating and compelling. She really touched a lot of people. It's not very often that the parent of a victim or even a perpetrator (however Treyvon is viewed in this situation) gets so involved and directive and really takes people like that.

I think people identified with *her* paid more than Martin or Zimmerman and the overall case itself . . . for many it doesn't seem to be amount the men involved or his death - but her - her suffering. Regardless of who did what; in the end her son is still dead. No matter what happened - he was still her son.

She is why the media paid attention.

Other cases that have received equal attention have done so for the exact same reason - regardless *of* the nature of the issue; people tend to judge cases on such a vast level based on the emotional outpouring of the immediate family (mainly mothers) on tv - good or bad. Guilty or not.

The Holloways is a good example of how the family can further events.

Anytime you have immediate family that's heavily emotional or seriously involved - you have media attention = public attention.
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I don't know this for sure, but I would guess that the mother got network camera time because the case got so much publicity, not the other way around. A lot of mothers of victims would look pretty dramatic on camera. My guess is that CNN did not go to Trayvon's mother, sense she was good for the ratings, and therefore made the case a lead story. Keep in mind that I could be wrong.
 
KatieGirl said:
I don't know this for sure, but I would guess that the mother got network camera time because the case got so much publicity, not the other way around. A lot of mothers of victims would look pretty dramatic on camera. My guess is that CNN did not go to Trayvon's mother, sense she was good for the ratings, and therefore made the case a lead story. Keep in mind that I could be wrong.
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No - she was all over the internet before the national media paid it a wink of attention.

We had discussed the case heavily before it hit mainstream on this forum - online spread this case; via her words - nothing else . . . media was late like a pregnant chick in March.
 
Aunt Spiker said:
No - she was all over the internet before the national media paid it a wink of attention.

We had discussed the case heavily before it hit mainstream on this forum - online spread this case; via her words - nothing else . . . media was late like a pregnant chick in March.
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I thought the comments by the father's fiance on camera were dynamic, something like "I just saw him sitting on the porch. He was the nicest boy you could imagine. NOW HE IS DEAD? No one is Arrested? You have got to be kidding me!"


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Aunt Spiker said:
No - she was all over the internet before the national media paid it a wink of attention.

We had discussed the case heavily before it hit mainstream on this forum - online spread this case; via her words - nothing else . . . media was late like a pregnant chick in March.
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Well, you can hit me if you want*, I might deserve it, but the earliest use of the word "Trayvon" in this forum is March 19th. CBS News was reporting on the case at least as early as March 15th. I stopped going back in time at that date. But anyway, I am not familiar with any videos of Trayvon's mother, so I have to ask; Who put videos of her on the net? Did she make these videos herself or were they media videos. If they were media videos, then there you go... that egg (media) came before the chicken (the mother). And if that is the case, my OP quandary remains unanswered.

*Actually, you can't hit me, obviously. Which is probably a good thing.
 
KatieGirl said:
Well, you can hit me if you want*, I might deserve it, but the earliest use of the word "Trayvon" in this forum is March 19th. CBS News was reporting on the case at least as early as March 15th. I stopped going back in time at that date. But anyway, I am not familiar with any videos of Trayvon's mother, so I have to ask; Who put videos of her on the net? Did she make these videos herself or were they media videos. If they were media videos, then there you go... that egg (media) came before the chicken (the mother). And if that is the case, my OP quandary remains unanswered.

*Actually, you can't hit me, obviously. Which is probably a good thing.
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:shrug: I guess the fact taht I don't watch mainstream media has affected my awareness of when they report on anything.
 
I would imagine both because of the race dynamic and the issue about private gun use. Whether or not Treyvon was a hoodlum or an innocent young man weighs in the minds of those who want to paint blacks as dangerous, who advocate the superiority of whites, and who want to maintain the supremacy of whites. Then there is the issue of Zimmerman's actions. He took his own weapon and killed someone. This is either a vidincation of the right of a person to carry a weapon and defend his community, or an indictment of the vigilante mentality. If Zimmerman was legally owning and carrying his weapon, and murdered this young man, possibly for racial reasons, then perhaps he shouldn't have been allowed that weapon in the first place, since he apparently couldn't be trusted with it. And if he shouldn't, who else shouldn't be?

So yes, there are several hot button issues involved in this case. That's why it is being made such a fuss over, and why there hundred+ page threads here trying to decide how the altercation took place.
 
Thunder said:
if it wasn't for the quick release of Zimm without any charges pressed, this case would have gotten much less attention. Plus the SYG element is part of it.
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Wrong

There was no indication of any foul play plus, the evidence gathered so far corroborates what Zim was saying....Hence NO arrest was warranted
 
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Wrong

There was no indication of any foul play plus, the evidence gathered so far corroborates what Zim was saying....Hence NO arrest was warranted
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Well - he's been arrested and charged, now - and will go to trial. And there will be a ruling, too, and a judgement. I know - the system sucks when it's in action. . . but that's how it's SUPPOSE to be.

What are people afraid of; if he's innocent he'll be found innocent - if he's guilty he'll be found guilty.
 
Aunt Spiker said:
Well - he's been arrested and charged, now - and will go to trial. And there will be a ruling, too, and a judgement. I know - the system sucks when it's in action. . . but that's how it's SUPPOSE to be.

What are people afraid of; if he's innocent he'll be found innocent - if he's guilty he'll be found guilty.
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People are not "supposed to be" charged and tried for crimes there is no evidence of.
 
I think it would have been a fairly normal, under the radar case, except that the republican party jumped onboard with a side, began donating money heavily, and then began slandering the side of the dead kid. I think you'll find that besides the nut jobs that keep screaming at Martin, most of us sane people just think Zimmerman acted a bit reckless and want to see the attacks against the dead underage kid and his family stop. But that's just me.
 
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I think it would have been a fairly normal, under the radar case, except that the republican party jumped onboard with a side...
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Those silly republicans. If only they "didn't take a side" and just let ya'll cry about how there was "no investigation at all", and how there is no justice for a poor black angel that was gunned down by the big bad racist white man. Oh wait... there wasn't even a white guy in the story at all? Damn republicans, always trying to ruin the black man's attempts at creating racial tension. They all should have kept quiet so we could all think of "nolimitnigga" as a smiling helpless 12 year old whose only crime in life was buying candy at a 711.

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Those silly republicans. If only they "didn't take a side" and just let ya'll cry about how there was "no investigation at all", and how there is no justice for a poor black angel that was gunned down by the big bad racist white man. Oh wait... there wasn't even a white guy in the story at all? Damn republicans, always trying to ruin the black man's attempts at creating racial tension. They all should have kept quiet so we could all think of "nolimitnigga" as a smiling helpless 12 year old whose only crime in life was buying candy at a 711.

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I'll give you one hundred dollars if you can find me saying any of that bull****.

Though you are right, republicans did douche this case up pretty good.
 
whysoserious said:
I'll give you one hundred dollars if you can find me saying any of that bull****.

Though you are right, republicans did douche this case up pretty good.
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:lamo

 
I kind of hate to be a pain, but my original question was; why did this case in particular catch the interest of both the media, and the public? After all, there are more horrendous murders involving different ethnicities, that never go beyond the local newspaper. As I sort of figured, the thread is going into a question of liberals vs conservatives and/or a debate about the actual incident. Meanwhile, I was truly curious about my original question. I will say that the original question is really more about American society, and American media, as opposed to the case itself. So maybe this thread is in the wrong folder.
 
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I kind of hate to be a pain, but my original question was; why did this case in particular catch the interest of both the media, and the public? After all, there are more horrendous murders involving different ethnicities, that never go beyond the local newspaper. As I sort of figured, the thread is going into a question of liberals vs conservatives and/or a debate about the actual incident. Meanwhile, I was truly curious about my original question. I will say that the original question is really more about American society, and American media, as opposed to the case itself. So maybe this thread is in the wrong folder.
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Ok, KatieGirl, I think I can answer part of it - though I doubt anyone can explain the idiocy behind the media machine fully.

1) A 17 year old unarmed kid was shot.
2) The fact that he was carrying candy made it even easier for the media to glorify this case.
3) Then, Zimmerman was surprising not charged with anything.
4) This causes reasonable people to go, "WTF?!?!?!" and some others to go, "OMFG THIS IS RACIST BULL****!!!!!!!!"
5) Seeing this, republicans decide it's a good idea to slander the **** out the family and dead kid.
6) Zimmerman gets charged with 2nd degree murder - which by any reasonable standard is far too high of a charge.
7) The right actually goes on the offensive and really attempts to prove that Martin's family sucked and that he deserved to get shot - not only for possibly attacking Zimmerman but just because he was a "thug" in general.
8) Zimmerman's past history of arrest for violence and statements about the police.
9) Zimmerman and his wife's shady dealings with money donated from the right.


That's what I find interesting with this case. Especially the backlash from the right - donating hundreds of thousands of dollars and attacking the victim's family. It's interesting to say the least.
 
Because the President intervened, declared Martin his surrogate son because of racial reasons. Upon this extreme racism and personal involvement of the president, the local prosecutor and police were dismissed and replaced with a special gun DA as the federal DOJ also turned all its power at Zimmerman, with all actions reversed to get him and every possible prosecutorial corruption committed doing so.

We have a racist president who corrupts the criminal justice system for racist political reasons. No president before him has done that for decades. Now an ordinary salt of the earth citizen has the full force and fury of a corrupt and racist federal government and state government out to destroy him as a political tool. This is the true modern David vs Golliath, where David just an nobody one of us, we the people.

Name any other criminal case the President has done so, nothing this is a state, not federal, criminal case.
 
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I'll give you one hundred dollars if you can find me saying any of that bull****.

Though you are right, republicans did douche this case up pretty good.
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whysoserious said:
Ok, KatieGirl, I think I can answer part of it - though I doubt anyone can explain the idiocy behind the media machine fully.

1) A 17 year old unarmed kid was shot.
2) The fact that he was carrying candy made it even easier for the media to glorify this case.
3) Then, Zimmerman was surprising not charged with anything.
4) This causes reasonable people to go, "WTF?!?!?!" and some others to go, "OMFG THIS IS RACIST BULL****!!!!!!!!"
5) Seeing this, republicans decide it's a good idea to slander the **** out the family and dead kid.
6) Zimmerman gets charged with 2nd degree murder - which by any reasonable standard is far too high of a charge.
7) The right actually goes on the offensive and really attempts to prove that Martin's family sucked and that he deserved to get shot - not only for possibly attacking Zimmerman but just because he was a "thug" in general.
8) Zimmerman's past history of arrest for violence and statements about the police.
9) Zimmerman and his wife's shady dealings with money donated from the right.


That's what I find interesting with this case. Especially the backlash from the right - donating hundreds of thousands of dollars and attacking the victim's family. It's interesting to say the least.
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LOL!!!

You so conveniently fail to mention the liberal black activist's actions. I wonder why?

Seriously, you should have stopped at point number 4. The rest only highlights your bias without providing any insight toward KatieGirl's question.

@KatieGirl: I don't know why the media selected this case to make into a big deal, but I suspect that...given the liberal-biased nature of the media...there were SOME political considerations involved in their decision.
 
Well done.............


whysoserious said:
Ok, KatieGirl, I think I can answer part of it - though I doubt anyone can explain the idiocy behind the media machine fully.

1) A 17 year old unarmed kid was shot.
2) The fact that he was carrying candy made it even easier for the media to glorify this case.
3) Then, Zimmerman was surprising not charged with anything.
4) This causes reasonable people to go, "WTF?!?!?!" and some others to go, "OMFG THIS IS RACIST BULL****!!!!!!!!"
5) Seeing this, republicans decide it's a good idea to slander the **** out the family and dead kid.
6) Zimmerman gets charged with 2nd degree murder - which by any reasonable standard is far too high of a charge.
7) The right actually goes on the offensive and really attempts to prove that Martin's family sucked and that he deserved to get shot - not only for possibly attacking Zimmerman but just because he was a "thug" in general.
8) Zimmerman's past history of arrest for violence and statements about the police.
9) Zimmerman and his wife's shady dealings with money donated from the right.


That's what I find interesting with this case. Especially the backlash from the right - donating hundreds of thousands of dollars and attacking the victim's family. It's interesting to say the least.
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