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New report says a witness claims Martin threw punches MMA style [W: 1873]

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KevinKohler said:
Also to add...this could also be how he had the back of his head hurt. When you get punched, your neck gives...or you get knocked out. His neck gave...only to realize it was ground behind his head. Amplifies the damage of those punches many times over.
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Yeah! Nevermind what all the witnesses claim.
 
dolphinocean said:
Which planet do you come from?

Someone throwing punches at you doesn't rise to the level of life threatening danger that the first thing you do is draw your weapon and shoot to kill.
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It does, if those punches are directed at vital areas: head, throat, etc. A punch, landed in the right place can cause death. In this case, Zimmerman's head was being slammed into concrete, which equates to deadly force, giving Zimmerman every right to defend himself with deadly force.
 
MMA doesn't just mean UFC. Mixed Martial Arts. Your simply taking what you feel is most useful from several fighting styles and combining it into your own fighting system.

Military combatives ( fighting on the battlefield in a life or death situation) is based on mma as well.

This was a street fight. You don't have a ref ready to jump in and stop the fight when one is unconscious or unable to intelligently defend ones self. There are no coached yelling strategies from the corner.

When your in a real fight and no is around or willing to jump in and assist, the real or perceived danger is going to be higher.

I call BS on you Monday morning quarterbacks that are saying "that wasn't justification to shoot".

We don't know who started it but most people on both sides agree Zimmerman was on the losing side of the
fistfight.
 
This new information changes everything. Before, I assumed that Trayvon had thrown his punches UFC style. Now I don't know who's side I'm on.
 
Paratrooper said:
MMA doesn't just mean UFC. Mixed Martial Arts. Your simply taking what you feel is most useful from several fighting styles and combining it into your own fighting system.

Military combatives ( fighting on the battlefield in a life or death situation) is based on mma as well.

This was a street fight. You don't have a ref ready to jump in and stop the fight when one is unconscious or unable to intelligently defend ones self. There are no coached yelling strategies from the corner.

When your in a real fight and no is around or willing to jump in and assist, the real or perceived danger is going to be higher.

I call BS on you Monday morning quarterbacks that are saying "that wasn't justification to shoot".

We don't know who started it but most people on both sides agree Zimmerman was on the losing side of the
fistfight.
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Exactly my point regarding using whatever styles or techniques and combine them to your advantage in the competition. Long before MMA or what have you came along people had been fighting like that in street fights or practiced such in established martial arts. To say certain punches are MMA style is just ridiculous if not for sensational effect that sway opinion.


And this was simply a street fight where, like you said, you didn't have a ref ready to jump in and stop the fight when one is unconscious or unable to intelligently defend ones self. There were no coached yelling strategies from the corner. To call it MMA style is obviously a sensational ploy on the witness' part.

Why do you think it's "BS" to say "that wasn't justification to shoot" when Zimmerman didn't even try to fight back with both his hands as evidenced by lack of injuries to Trayvon's face, body or arms? A small lady in that situation would have at least scratch, bite or poke the eyes. Do you expect any less from Zimmerman?

Sorry, punching in the face during a fight is not a life threatening situation when you are capable of fighting back physically. You don't get a special treatment for escalating the event that you put yourself into despite being told not to do so and then claimed self-defense.
 
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apdst said:
It does, if those punches are directed at vital areas: head, throat, etc. A punch, landed in the right place can cause death. In this case, Zimmerman's head was being slammed into concrete, which equates to deadly force, giving Zimmerman every right to defend himself with deadly force.
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You continue to insist on spreading the falsehood despite being specifically pointed out to you that both these witnesses never once claimed the guy on top grabbing the head of the guy at the bottom, let alone mentioning any head slamming activities.

Punching at head happens all the time in MMA sports or any street fight. It doesn't mean you can draw your gun and shoot first without having to physically fight back with blocks and punches or whatever physical means you could, such as scratching, biting .or going for the eyes. He could also grab Trayvon loose hoodie garment and attempt to flip him over and get on top. Tell me, why isn't Zimmerman doing any of these before using his lethal weapon?

Now, show me evidence that Trayvon was punching Zimmerman's throat. Where's the medical report or eyewitness account that points to this claim of yours? If you can't then next time please be honest in your debate and refrain from using falsehood to make your case.

Talk about your side is all about facts and evidence.
 
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So anyway ... as to this witness who claimed that Martin was throwing MMA-style punches (*cough*)

But three weeks later, when he was interviewed by an FDLE agent, the man said he was no longer sure which one called for help.

"I truly can't tell who, after thinking about it, was yelling for help just because it was so dark out on that sidewalk," he said.

He also said he was no longer sure Trayvon was throwing punches. The teenager may have simply been keeping Zimmerman pinned to the ground, he said.

He did not equivocate, though, about who was on top.

"The black guy was on top," he said.
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Tettsuo said:
Just to add... if someone is raining punches down on a person's defenseless face, you'll have quite a bit of evidence on your face to support that. Zimmerman's face doesn't support the face of a victim having punches rained down on it.
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It all depends.


BTW, if you're nose is broken, both of your eyes tend to go black. So all it would take is one broken nose to produce the effect of black eyes, even if you were never struck in the eyes.
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It all depends.
 
Unfortunately for Zimmerman, the only witness who claimed he saw Martin throwing punches now says he isn't sure if Martin threw any punches.
 
AdamT said:
Unfortunately for Zimmerman, the only witness who claimed he saw Martin throwing punches now says he isn't sure if Martin threw any punches.
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Got a link for that?
 
dolphinocean said:
Zimmerman?

Sorry, punching in the face during a fight is not a life threatening situation when you are capable of fighting back physically. You don't get a special treatment for escalating the event that you put yourself into despite being told not to do so and then claimed self-defense.
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And this is based on what?
 
dolphinocean said:
You continue to insist on spreading the falsehood despite being specifically pointed out to you that both these witnesses never once claimed the guy on top grabbing the head of the guy at the bottom, let alone mentioning any head slamming activities.

Punching at head happens all the time in MMA sports or any street fight. It doesn't mean you can draw your gun and shoot first without having to physically fight back with blocks and punches or whatever physical means you could, such as scratching, biting .or going for the eyes. He could also grab Trayvon loose hoodie garment and attempt to flip him over and get on top. Tell me, why isn't Zimmerman doing any of these before using his lethal weapon?

Now, show me evidence that Trayvon was punching Zimmerman's throat. Where's the medical report or eyewitness account that points to this claim of yours? If you can't then next time please be honest in your debate and refrain from using falsehood to make your case.

Talk about your side is all about facts and evidence.
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A blow to the head is considered deadly force. Deal with it.
 
AdamT said:
So anyway ... as to this witness who claimed that Martin was throwing MMA-style punches (*cough*)
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Also, latest reports on four witnesses changing stories. One said:

Trayvon Martin shooting: Witnesses change stories ahead of Zimmerman trial | The Lookout - Yahoo! News

"I couldn't tell you if it was a man, a woman, a kid, black or white," the woman, "Witness 2," said. "I couldn't tell you because it was dark and because I didn't have my contacts on or glasses. I just know I saw a person out there."

How could the MMA-style witness sure about who's on top and who's on the bottom, black vs hispanic or red vs gray clothings when it was so dark out there as other witnesses had said? Now we heard Zimmerman's jacket was orange with black sleeve and upper back portion. They just buckle under interviews. There are going to be a lot more changes when witnesses are sworn in and thoroughly cross-examined before the judge and jury.

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I am only half interested in this story at this point, to many clowns in this circus, but from a quick glance, all of this sure sounds like a lot of "reasonable doubt".....
 
Next thing "those in the know" will say is Martin was trained by Chuck Norris...
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
I am only half interested in this story at this point, to many clowns in this circus, but from a quick glance, all of this sure sounds like a lot of "reasonable doubt".....
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Haven't you heard? "Resonable doubt", got thrown out the window a long time ago.

In this particular kangaroo court, the burden of proof is on the defendent.
 
apdst said:
A blow to the head is considered deadly force. Deal with it.
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No, that's not true. More importantly, you cannot shoot first without trying to fight back fist with fist. It's not that hard to understand/
 
The jury will tell us all what the real deal is...what they think is the only thing that matters...:)
 
dolphinocean said:
No, that's not true. More importantly, you cannot shoot first without trying to fight back fist with fist. It's not that hard to
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I can stop a threat/shoot without having to throw a fist to fight back
 
dolphinocean said:
No, that's not true. More importantly, you cannot shoot first without trying to fight back fist with fist. It's not that hard to understand/
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Actually, it is true,

Deadly force refers to the action in which a person causes death or serious bodily harm. Deadly force usually results from a serious blow to the head with a weapon, a vicious beating, or being shot with a gun...

Minnesota Deadly Force Lawyer | Police Misconduct | Civil Rights Attorney
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but don't let the facts get in your way.
 
apdst said:
Haven't you heard? "Resonable doubt", got thrown out the window a long time ago.

In this particular kangaroo court, the burden of proof is on the defendent.
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Zimmerman shot and killed an unarmed lad minding his own business. Zimmerman did not deny that. That isn't any part of the reasonable doubt. The doubt part is on Zimmerman's affirmative claim of self-defense which so far does not hold up.
 
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lpast said:
The jury will tell us all what the real deal is...what they think is the only thing that matters...:)
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Almost every legal expert I have seen comment on the case has stated the evidence is not there for a conviction. People are going to believe what they want. The actual evidence in this case supports GZ's claim of self defense.
 
dolphinocean said:
Zimmerman shot and killed an unarmed lad minding his own business. Zimmerman did not deny that. That isn't any part of the reasonable doubt. The doubt part is on Zimmerman's affirmative claim of self-defense which so far does not hold up.
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And we are back to this. It gets tiring going over and over and over this. I think we all need to accept that the courts, legal experts, lawyers ect know nothing and the only people who actually understand the law are Martin supporters.
 
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