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Key witness in Trayvon Martin shooting changed story

Grim17 said:
I'm sorry but you're wrong, as was pointed out 4 or 5 thousand posts ago. I'm not digging up that crap again, because I have learned that the left doesn't really give a damn about facts anyway, so digging it up will not change one damned thing.
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The irony is so thick you could cut it with a knife. You were factually wrong just a few posts ago, what happened to that dude?
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Questions are:
1)Who initiated the fight?
2)Why did Zimmerman continue to follow him (isnt that stalking someone a "confrontation)?
3)Why did Zimmerman not allow the police handle this?
4)What made Trayvonn "suspicious"?
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No matter how many times you spin it, those questions are still irrelevant.
 
Excon said:
This does not bode well for Zimmerman.

Down to expert analysis?

This was also news from like Twelve hours ago.
I am surprised I am the one who first noticed it.
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Expert analysis may also be inconclusive....
 
What jury is gonna believe trayvon martin was calling for help while beating someone up? This doesn;t really hurt zimmerman much at all.
 
vendur said:
What jury is gonna believe trayvon martin was calling for help while beating someone up? This doesn;t really hurt zimmerman much at all.
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ITs not that in particular....Its the pos witness thats seems to retract specific/key events
 
Grim17 said:
No, but we'll get to that in just a second.
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Ok

It is? You mean when the dispatcher said that he didn't need to follow him, and he responded by saying "ok" and said he was going back to his truck?
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1.)He never stated he was going back to his truck
2.)And as stated earlier this is pointed out by Trayvonns conversation with his girlfriend and Zimmermans own testimony he admitted this...


Really? Where is that evidence? And lets just say he did, how is that "not letting police handle it?"
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His own testimony and Martins gf


So if you as a citizen call police about a suspicious person, you better be ready to prove that in a court of law, or you will be in trouble for calling tha police?
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If i called and said there was a suspicious person in my neighborhood and the police could not find that suspicious person because you didnt follow him you would not be in trouble...


Are you saying that people need to mind there own damn business, just like they do in communist countries?
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:doh
Dear god....
NOW THIS IS IRRELEVANT


Again, TOTALLY IRRELEVANT.
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No this was: " just like they do in communist countries?"
 
mike2810 said:
I personally think it better to not to judge a person via news media. I also believe innocent till proven guilty.
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Oh ok, well come stand in this line. It's much shorter.
 
It doesnt matter who yelled for help. Simple case of a thug jumped the wrong person from behind.
 
whysoserious said:
Self-defense cases put the burden of proof on the defendant. Are we in ****ing bizzarro world here?
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Since when do self-defense cases put the instant assumption of guilty upon the defendant?

In ANY criminal case, the burden of evidence is on the state. If he is claiming self defense... it is the state's job to prove his self defense is a lie, or is not within the boundaries of the law for self-defense.
 
vendur said:
What jury is gonna believe trayvon martin was calling for help while beating someone up? This doesn;t really hurt zimmerman much at all.
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It's possible. Buck posted something where a witness originally said Martin, but the officer insisted on Zimmerman. It's in the other thread, so you can look that up. So, it is possible.
 
Boo Radley said:
It's possible. Buck posted something where a witness originally said Martin, but the officer insisted on Zimmerman. It's in the other thread, so you can look that up. So, it is possible.
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Quit god damn lying. You are talking about a witnesses claim that she/he thought it was martin's voice calling for help, and police supposedly correcting him/her that it was Zimmerman's voice. No one said they saw Zimmerman on top of Marting. TWO witnesses have already said Martin was the one on top.
 
vendur said:
Quit god damn lying. You are talking about a witnesses claim that she/he thought it was martin's voice calling for help, and police supposedly correcting him/her that it was Zimmerman's voice. No one said they saw Zimmerman on top of Marting. TWO witnesses have already said Martin was the one on top.
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If you doubt me, go look it up. Buck posted it.
 
Boo Radley said:
If you doubt me, go look it up. Buck posted it.
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You look it up. I've got more fruitful things to do, like look for leprechauns and unicorns.
 
Boo Radley said:
It's possible. Buck posted something where a witness originally said Martin, but the officer insisted on Zimmerman. It's in the other thread, so you can look that up. So, it is possible.
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To be fair, if it's what I am thinking of, the witness only indicated that the larger individual was on top. She assumed the larger person was Zimm, based on the early reports showing Zimm's weight at well over 200 pounds. It turns out Zimm was much less than that, only 10 pounds heavier then Martin, and shorter then Martin - so who was the taller?

The people claiming that it was Martin yelling for help didn't actually see, only heard - and assumed it was a younger sounding voice.
 
I think this is the article Boo was referencing.

Cries in the night: Witness conflict about what happened in Trayvon Martin case - Trayvon Martin - MiamiHerald.com

Another witness, contradicting the first, said she believed Zimmerman was on top of Trayvon when she peeked.
“First we heard like a howling sound,” she said. “And then the second time we heard a more-clearly ‘help’ sound.”
She said she couldn’t tell who was crying out.
“At first I couldn’t see anything. It was dark,” she said. “The second time I looked — I looked so many times outside I don’t know which one was which … What I remember is, it was too dark. And then a guy was on top of another guy — and the shot.”
Though she couldn’t describe the men’s faces, she was able to recall their physiques: “I know after seeing the TV of what’s happening — comparing their pictures — I think Zimmerman is definitely on top because of his size.”
 
Excon said:
This does not bode well for Zimmerman.

Down to expert analysis?

This was also news from like Twelve hours ago.
I am surprised I am the one who first noticed it.
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"At first, I thought it was the person on the ground, just because, you know, me thinking rationally, if someone was on top, the person on the bottom would be yelling," he said, according to the Sentinel. "I truly can't tell who, after thinking about it, was yelling for help just because it was so dark out on that sidewalk. You can't see a mouth …"


Really can't see this statement hurting the witness's credibility at all. And no negative impact on Zimmerman.


In weeks past my opinion was that Zimmerman would end up plea bargaining out due to the aggressive charges the prosecutor elected to move forward with. But as the details continue to trickle out, am thinking the charges are likely going to be notably reduced or dropped entirely.

Prosecutors hate to lose high profile cases. And this one doesn't seem to have a high probability of her winning....
 
buck said:
To be fair, if it's what I am thinking of, the witness only indicated that the larger individual was on top. She assumed the larger person was Zimm, based on the early reports showing Zimm's weight at well over 200 pounds. It turns out Zimm was much less than that, only 10 pounds heavier then Martin, and shorter then Martin - so who was the taller?

The people claiming that it was Martin yelling for help didn't actually see, only heard - and assumed it was a younger sounding voice.
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I'm speaking of this one:

She said one witness, a neighbor who gave an extensive statement, may have been mishandled by police investigating the case. That witnesses wrote that "after I completed the statement, I cried and told [an investigator] 'I'll never forget the cries for help and wish I could have helped.'"

The police investigator, however, told the witness Zimmerman was the one yelling, according to the statement. Tennis said by doing so, the officer was "likely to taint this incredibly important witness' memory."

"Right or wrong, [the witness] clearly thinks that Trayvon was the one yelling for help," she said.

George Zimmerman Trayvon Martin evidence: Lawyers weigh in on evidence in Trayvon Martin shooting - Orlando Sentinel

It helps paint a picture of some confusion as to who was who.
 
buck said:
To be fair, if it's what I am thinking of, the witness only indicated that the larger individual was on top. She assumed the larger person was Zimm, based on the early reports showing Zimm's weight at well over 200 pounds. It turns out Zimm was much less than that, only 10 pounds heavier then Martin, and shorter then Martin - so who was the taller?

The people claiming that it was Martin yelling for help didn't actually see, only heard - and assumed it was a younger sounding voice.
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There were NO media reports about Zim's weight the night of the shooting when she was questioned..
 
Boo Radley said:
I'm speaking of this one:

She said one witness, a neighbor who gave an extensive statement, may have been mishandled by police investigating the case. That witnesses wrote that "after I completed the statement, I cried and told [an investigator] 'I'll never forget the cries for help and wish I could have helped.'"

The police investigator, however, told the witness Zimmerman was the one yelling, according to the statement. Tennis said by doing so, the officer was "likely to taint this incredibly important witness' memory."

"Right or wrong, [the witness] clearly thinks that Trayvon was the one yelling for help," she said.

George Zimmerman Trayvon Martin evidence: Lawyers weigh in on evidence in Trayvon Martin shooting - Orlando Sentinel

It helps paint a picture of some confusion as to who was who.
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She can think it was person x or person y all she wants.

It is apparent that nobody actually could tell who was screaming, all they have are their assumptions.
 
Caine said:
She can think it was person x or person y all she wants.

It is apparent that nobody actually could tell who was screaming, all they have are their assumptions.
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If they couldn't tell, we can't take for granted who was screaming of why.
 
Boo Radley said:
I'm speaking of this one:

She said one witness, a neighbor who gave an extensive statement, may have been mishandled by police investigating the case. That witnesses wrote that "after I completed the statement, I cried and told [an investigator] 'I'll never forget the cries for help and wish I could have helped.'"

The police investigator, however, told the witness Zimmerman was the one yelling, according to the statement. Tennis said by doing so, the officer was "likely to taint this incredibly important witness' memory."

"Right or wrong, [the witness] clearly thinks that Trayvon was the one yelling for help," she said.

George Zimmerman Trayvon Martin evidence: Lawyers weigh in on evidence in Trayvon Martin shooting - Orlando Sentinel

It helps paint a picture of some confusion as to who was who.
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I did forget about that link. Sorry.

Yes, but that's the witness that indicated she thought it was Trayvon because the voice sounded "younger". It was rather useless testimony anyway.
 
sharon said:
There were NO media reports about Zim's weight the night of the shooting when she was questioned..
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I don't think you understood what she said. You may want to go back and read it.

If you still can't figure it out, just remember that she only told the police that it was the bigger one that was on top.
 
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