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Autopsy Results Show Trayvon Martin Had Injuries to His Knuckles [W:1169, 1244]

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Riiiight ... you don't ignore reality ... sure, uh-huh ...

You claimed it was a 911 dispatcher, but it wasn't, it was only a "call taker"." ~ excon
Well the reality is that the Chief of police described him that way in an official statement.

That is official and that is reality.

And whether you like it or not, trumps anything you have thus far provided.




How do you know he wanted to be in a gang and wanted to be thug or some kind of criminal? No teens are prefect. I smoked pot when I was younger. I had pink highlights in my hair, cut my own hair, and dressed differently too... a lot of my friends even had facial piercings. Trayvon had ambitions to go to college. I really don't see him much differently than any of my friends in my high school years. We all dressed a little motley/thuggish and nearly all of us tried pot at least once. One of my friends is in law school now, and she was also kicked out of college for drug use.

I honestly believed and I still do believe that teenagers that dress a little differently and listen to different music, automatically get singled out for their appearance. I don't judge people entirely based on their appearance as a result. I can't tell how many times my principle made me go through my locker and accused me of being on drugs, because I was late to school. I wasn't a pot head. I offered up a urine test right there, and I knew it would be clean. He even claimed to smell pot on me, which was BS... my mom drove us to school and we were late because of a car accident. My mom doesn't smoke pot.

I was wrongly judged and treated like I was a criminal many times because of my appearance.

Nor do think TCH is a dangerous drug or that it makes somebody a bad person for smoking it. It should be legal.

I see Trayvon as a normal high school kid. I don't see him as a future gangster or criminal.

Meanwhile back in Gotham ...

Of course you see a normal high school kid.
Yet those who didn't grow up on the fringe of society and didn't do drugs see it much differently.




I love how you guys yell & moan about Zimmerman's past being irrelevent to the case.
That isn't what most posters have said.
What has been said, is that what you, in your biased hatred, make of his past, doesn't matter.
What you have made it out to be, is irrelevant.
Because everybody else sees it for what the incidents are.


nope, and neither has Trayvon Martin. At least as far as our justice system goes.
Wrong.


and if Martin saw that gun, then he was totally justified in what he did.
Wrong.
 
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The only problem is that no one knows who's voice it is on that 911 call. One audio expert has stated that it was Martin's voice. The former head of the FBI audiology lab stated that there was no way to determine who's voice it was, or what exactly was being said.
No.


I think you mean eyewitness accountS -- plural -- including the witness who said that Zimmerman was on top of Martin.
Yes, and Zimmerman says he got on-top of Trayvon after he shot him. ??? So what?

Maybe you already forgot.
Evidence in toto.


Of course.
Another witness, contradicting the first, said she believed Zimmerman was on top of Trayvon when she peeked.

“First we heard like a howling sound,” she said. “And then the second time we heard a more-clearly ‘help’ sound.”

She said she couldn’t tell who was crying out.

“At first I couldn’t see anything. It was dark,” she said. “The second time I looked — I looked so many times outside I don’t know which one was which … What I remember is, it was too dark. And then a guy was on top of another guy — and the shot.”

Though she couldn’t describe the men’s faces, she was able to recall their physiques: “I know after seeing the TV of what’s happening — comparing their pictures — I think Zimmerman is definitely on top because of his size.”

Read more here:Cries in the night: Witness conflict about what happened in Trayvon Martin case - Trayvon Martin - MiamiHerald.com

Cries in the night: Witness conflict about what happened in Trayvon Martin case - Trayvon Martin - MiamiHerald.com
Ah yes, the lady who said it was too dark to see believes it to be Zimmerman. The key word is believes, as in, doesn't really know.

You should have relied on the lady who actually saw him on-top of the dead Trayvon, at least then your statement wouldn't appear to be moronic.


You're assuming that Zimmerman shot him while this was happening ... which seems unlikely as Martin was found lying face down in the grass.
Trayvon fell that way after being shot.


Funny how you're picking and choosing which eye witness account to credit, despite the fact that the witness you're tossing out said she was sure it was Zimmerman on top based upon his build versus Martin's build.
Ahhh, I see. You did forget about evidence in toto.


And as I've posted several times, the FLORIDA SUPREME COURT has held that under Florida's SYG statute, the defendant has the burden to prove his case by a preponderance of the evidence.
Now you are misstating what is required.

The defendant in claiming Self-defense, must make a showing, by preponderance of the evidence, to support the claim of self-defense.
Presently we have a preponderance of the evidence that says he did.






Seriously, who the hell tries to pound someone's head into to the ground during a fight? How do you even get leverage to do that on a bald head? I'd agree it was possible if Martin was raining blows down on his face and caused his head to hit the concrete, but the slamming his head into the pavement thing is just stupid. As stupid as Zimmerman's camp claiming Martin tried to smother him and said "Okay, you got me," after he was shot.
I do!
At least when both parties have been drinking.

I got into a mutual confrontation with a fellow soldier. He took me to the ground in a headlock that I wasn't going to get out of.
My arm was free and his head was right there.
I started slamming his head into the ground with my forearm. Two hits and he passed out.
 
You are not helping your cause with mediocre rebuttals like the one above

You should be fired from your team or do yourself a favor and just step down
Physician, heal thyself.
 
There is no proof of Z ignoring the 911 dispatcher. And by the sure fact Z may have been keeping an eye on T was his job. Further there is no proof of who said what on the 911 tape, and no proof of who started the fight. There is no proof of anything to convict Z of murder. Nothing, zip zero, nada.
No corpus delicti? Well then, for goodness sakes, what's all the fuss about? :roll:
 
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